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Warp_7 at gmx

Aug 11, 2012, 5:09 PM

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Cannot see Grub menu

Hi there

So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments from a
friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean install from
scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I cannot see the Grub
(legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright, but I don’t see it.

When I switch on the machine, after POST I see the "loading grub" and stage
1.5 message, but then the screen isn’t updated. I can still do my selection
and press Enter, and then I see the "loading kernel..." message without a
clearing of the screen first.

Any idea what this is? I re-installed Grub and did grub’s own setup
procedure, and all files in /boot/grub are from the time of the last emerge.

Happy remaining weekend.


PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently, but are
you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about it?
There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social moloch.
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markknecht at gmail

Aug 11, 2012, 6:33 PM

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Re: Cannot see Grub menu [In reply to]

From Kindle so very short response for now.

1) Was this disk previously used for 32-bit?

2) For 64-bit I've always used grub-static.


Warp_7 at gmx

Aug 11, 2012, 6:41 PM

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 06:33:03PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> From Kindle so very short response for now.
>
> 1) Was this disk previously used for 32-bit?

Yup. Well, I installed the 64 bit into a temporary partition that I created,
so I still had the working 32 bit system in case something goes wrong (and to
do some performance comparisons). At some point, I reformatted the 32 bit
partition and rsynced the 64 bit over.
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markknecht at gmail

Aug 11, 2012, 7:28 PM

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Re: Cannot see Grub menu [In reply to]

All of that is the OS, not grub which is in the MBR I think. emerge
grub-static and then do the install as per the boot loader
instructions in the manual. It will likely work fine then.

Good luck.


rdalek1967 at gmail

Aug 11, 2012, 8:10 PM

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Mark Knecht wrote:
> All of that is the OS, not grub which is in the MBR I think. emerge
> grub-static and then do the install as per the boot loader
> instructions in the manual. It will likely work fine then.
>
> Good luck.
>
>

When I did my install, I used grub-static too. I never tried the plain
one but was told it could have issues with 64 bit.

OP. The config files should be fine as far as using the old ones. Just
run the install commands again. You know, grub, root, setup etc.

Dale

:-) :-)

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wonko at wonkology

Aug 12, 2012, 2:47 AM

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Re: Cannot see Grub menu [In reply to]

Frank Steinmetzger writes:

> So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments
> from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean
> install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I
> cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright,
> but I don’t see it.

Weird, I have no idea. Just want to say that I am using legacy Grub on
~amd64 just fine. Not grub-static, and the static USE flag is not set.
Never had a problem with that.

Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will get a
working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway.

Wonko


alan.mckinnon at gmail

Aug 12, 2012, 3:01 AM

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Re: Cannot see Grub menu [In reply to]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:47:36 +0200
Alex Schuster <wonko [at] wonkology> wrote:

> Frank Steinmetzger writes:
>
> > So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments
> > from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean
> > install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m
> > having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still
> > functions alright, but I don’t see it.
>
> Weird, I have no idea. Just want to say that I am using legacy Grub on
> ~amd64 just fine. Not grub-static, and the static USE flag is not set.
> Never had a problem with that.
>
> Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will
> get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway.

That's how I do it too. Plain old grub on many amd64 systems, nothing
special. I do disable splashimage too, it never seems to work for me
without using genkernel.

When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active
video-wise should be good old VGA. Hard to imagine what could go wrong
with VGA in 80x25 text mode



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michaelkintzios at gmail

Aug 12, 2012, 6:31 AM

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Re: Cannot see Grub menu [In reply to]

On Sunday 12 Aug 2012 11:01:59 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:47:36 +0200
>
> Alex Schuster <wonko [at] wonkology> wrote:
> > Frank Steinmetzger writes:
> > > So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments
> > > from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean
> > > install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m
> > > having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still
> > > functions alright, but I don’t see it.
> >
> > Weird, I have no idea. Just want to say that I am using legacy Grub on
> > ~amd64 just fine. Not grub-static, and the static USE flag is not set.
> > Never had a problem with that.
> >
> > Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will
> > get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway.
>
> That's how I do it too. Plain old grub on many amd64 systems, nothing
> special. I do disable splashimage too, it never seems to work for me
> without using genkernel.
>
> When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active
> video-wise should be good old VGA. Hard to imagine what could go wrong
> with VGA in 80x25 text mode

I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything
special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf;
e.g.

default 0
timeout 30
splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

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mikemol at gmail

Aug 12, 2012, 11:52 AM

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7 [at] gmx> wrote:

[snip]


> PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently, but
> are
> you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about it?
> There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social moloch.
>

No, they didn't crawl my address book, or do anything of the sort.

On Google+, I follow people who I believe (or at least suspect) to be
intelligent or knowledgeable in technical fields. That includes everyone on
the gentoo-user and gentoo-dev mailing lists; you folks are among the
highest grade of computer and software geeks I've come across.

In the GMail web interface, there's a pane on the right which shows people
involved in the conversation. While reading Gentoo-related threads, if I
see people listed there that I haven't added to my 'Technical folk' circle,
I add them. I _thought_ it was only showing people who already had Google
accounts.

Apparently, that last presumption isn't true...and as a consequence, when I
add people to my list-of-people-to-watch, Google sends them an invite if
they don't already have Google accounts. Apologies for any spam, but
understand that I have no clear way of knowing whether or not someone has a
Google+ account before I add them; people who don't have them simply show
up as 'this person hasn't shared anything with you.'

--
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michaelkintzios at gmail

Aug 12, 2012, 12:34 PM

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On Sunday 12 Aug 2012 19:52:26 Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7 [at] gmx> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently, but
> > are
> > you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about
> > it? There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social moloch.
>
> No, they didn't crawl my address book, or do anything of the sort.
>
> On Google+, I follow people who I believe (or at least suspect) to be
> intelligent or knowledgeable in technical fields. That includes everyone on
> the gentoo-user and gentoo-dev mailing lists; you folks are among the
> highest grade of computer and software geeks I've come across.
>
> In the GMail web interface, there's a pane on the right which shows people
> involved in the conversation. While reading Gentoo-related threads, if I
> see people listed there that I haven't added to my 'Technical folk' circle,
> I add them. I _thought_ it was only showing people who already had Google
> accounts.
>
> Apparently, that last presumption isn't true...and as a consequence, when I
> add people to my list-of-people-to-watch, Google sends them an invite if
> they don't already have Google accounts. Apologies for any spam, but
> understand that I have no clear way of knowing whether or not someone has a
> Google+ account before I add them; people who don't have them simply show
> up as 'this person hasn't shared anything with you.'

When I received your Google+ invite I thought that Google was taking liberties
with your actual intentions and spamming your contacts perhaps.

I do have and use a gmail account for this list, but I do not (knowingly)
partake in social websites like Google+, Buzz, Facebook & Twitter. I also
use Gtalk for IM, but as far as I know by using Gmail and Gtalk I am not
automatically subscribed to Google+ and the like.

PS. What does "people to watch" do? It sounds rather voyeuristic ... O_o
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Regards,
Mick
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mikemol at gmail

Aug 12, 2012, 1:06 PM

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Sunday 12 Aug 2012 19:52:26 Michael Mol wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7 [at] gmx>
> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently,
> but
> > > are
> > > you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about
> > > it? There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social
> moloch.
> >
> > No, they didn't crawl my address book, or do anything of the sort.
> >
> > On Google+, I follow people who I believe (or at least suspect) to be
> > intelligent or knowledgeable in technical fields. That includes everyone
> on
> > the gentoo-user and gentoo-dev mailing lists; you folks are among the
> > highest grade of computer and software geeks I've come across.
> >
> > In the GMail web interface, there's a pane on the right which shows
> people
> > involved in the conversation. While reading Gentoo-related threads, if I
> > see people listed there that I haven't added to my 'Technical folk'
> circle,
> > I add them. I _thought_ it was only showing people who already had Google
> > accounts.
> >
> > Apparently, that last presumption isn't true...and as a consequence,
> when I
> > add people to my list-of-people-to-watch, Google sends them an invite if
> > they don't already have Google accounts. Apologies for any spam, but
> > understand that I have no clear way of knowing whether or not someone
> has a
> > Google+ account before I add them; people who don't have them simply show
> > up as 'this person hasn't shared anything with you.'
>
> When I received your Google+ invite I thought that Google was taking
> liberties
> with your actual intentions and spamming your contacts perhaps.
>
> I do have and use a gmail account for this list, but I do not (knowingly)
> partake in social websites like Google+, Buzz, Facebook & Twitter. I also
> use Gtalk for IM, but as far as I know by using Gmail and Gtalk I am not
> automatically subscribed to Google+ and the like.
>

The whole situation is muddy, and I'm not always sure I understand it
myself.

If you have an account with any Google service, you have a 'Google Account'
which you can use to sign into any other Google service. At one point,
simply having this account meant you were also on Google+, Google Docs,
etc. More recently, though, it seems that a first visit to any of these
services is required in order to activate that service on your Google
account. (This only became clear to me recently, as a new client uses
Google Apps for Domains, which means I now have a Google account for
personal use, and a Google account tied to that client. It's strange.)

It used to be, you only had a Google account if you had a GMail
account...but they've since enabled tying Google accounts to other email
addresses.


>
> PS. What does "people to watch" do? It sounds rather voyeuristic ... O_o
>

Here's how I understand it, currently:

If you have Google+ enabled on your Google account, just about anything you
might do that involves Google becomes eligible for sharing. By default,
almost nothing you do is visible to anybody; you have to explicitly make
things visible to people, or otherwise modify defaults in settings
somewhere. AFAIK, the only things that are public by default are the '+1'
buttons sprinkled everywhere, and the 'Like' buttons associated with
Youtube videos.

Places I frequently see 'share this' options associated with Google are:
* Youtube videos
* Google Reader (+1 and 'share this' replaced 'like' and 'share with
friends')
* The "+ Share" box at the top right corner of all Google pages.

In short, I only see stuff you guys do if you explicitly choose to make it
public. (Or if you create a 'circle' of whitelisted individuals you can
make specific things viewable to.)

--
:wq


Warp_7 at gmx

Aug 12, 2012, 3:52 PM

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:31:07PM +0100, Mick wrote:

> > > > So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments
> > > > from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean
> > > > install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m
> > > > having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still
> > > > functions alright, but I don’t see it.
> > > […]
> > > Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will
> > > get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway.

Yes, I used to use a self-made spash image; it shows a Windows-Logo-like
stickers saying "Windows Vista incapable" with a Tux in it. :)

Anyways, the file was missing, so I commented out the line, but to no avail.
I tried a temporary grub.conf with the bare essentials (just one entry), and
it didn't help either.

Booting the same disk in qemu yields the same thing. So I gather it must be
some borkage in grub itself. Perhaps I could try an older version, there are
so many available right now.

> > When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active
---------------------------------------^
*cough* *wink wink*

> I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything
> special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf;
> e.g.
>
> default 0
> timeout 30
> splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

That's the way I used to too also. Very strange this all...
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alan.mckinnon at gmail

Aug 12, 2012, 4:08 PM

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:52:32 +0200
Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7 [at] gmx> wrote:

> > > When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing
> > > active
> ---------------------------------------^
> *cough* *wink wink*

<blush>

damn, I got that one the wrong way round. again.

</blush>

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rdalek1967 at gmail

Aug 12, 2012, 4:14 PM

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Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:31:07PM +0100, Mick wrote:
>
>>>>> So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments
>>>>> from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean
>>>>> install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m
>>>>> having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still
>>>>> functions alright, but I don’t see it.
>>>> […]
>>>> Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will
>>>> get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway.
> Yes, I used to use a self-made spash image; it shows a Windows-Logo-like
> stickers saying "Windows Vista incapable" with a Tux in it. :)
>
> Anyways, the file was missing, so I commented out the line, but to no avail.
> I tried a temporary grub.conf with the bare essentials (just one entry), and
> it didn't help either.
>
> Booting the same disk in qemu yields the same thing. So I gather it must be
> some borkage in grub itself. Perhaps I could try an older version, there are
> so many available right now.
>
>>> When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active
> ---------------------------------------^
> *cough* *wink wink*
>
>> I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything
>> special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf;
>> e.g.
>>
>> default 0
>> timeout 30
>> splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> That's the way I used to too also. Very strange this all...


Just a thought. Could it be that the text and the background is the
same color? If you put white text on a white background, all you see is
white which looks blank, empty or whatever you want to call it.

Otherwise, I'm clueless. It's OK. I'm used to being clueless. lol

Dale

:-) :-)

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peter at humphrey

Aug 12, 2012, 6:43 PM

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On Monday 13 August 2012 00:08:16 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:52:32 +0200
>
> Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7 [at] gmx> wrote:
> > > > When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing
> > > > active
> >
> > ---------------------------------------^
> > *cough* *wink wink*
>
> damn, I got that one the wrong way round. again.

It's easy enough: "its" = "belonging to it"; "it's" = "it is/was/has".
The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession.

Hmm. Maybe it isn't so simple after all if you don't know it. It just
seems simple to me since it's what I was taught 60-odd years ago and
it's stuck.

It seems to me that most people (especially those not of these shores)
use "it's" in every case, just in case. If you see what I mean.

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Peter


neil at digimed

Aug 13, 2012, 1:03 AM

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:43:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> It's easy enough: "its" = "belonging to it"; "it's" = "it is/was/has".
> The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession.

The confusion arises because, when used with a name, an apostrophe is
needed for a possessive. Of course, if you refer to everyone as "it",
the confusion disappears :)

It is an understandable error, unlike grocers' apostrophe's, which crop
up everywhere and are far more grating for me.


--
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h.v.bruinehsen at fu-berlin

Aug 13, 2012, 2:18 AM

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On 12.08.2012 05:10, Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> All of that is the OS, not grub which is in the MBR I think.
>> emerge grub-static and then do the install as per the boot
>> loader instructions in the manual. It will likely work fine
>> then.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>
> When I did my install, I used grub-static too. I never tried the
> plain one but was told it could have issues with 64 bit.
>
> OP. The config files should be fine as far as using the old ones.
> Just run the install commands again. You know, grub, root, setup
> etc.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>

As far as I recall the issues are with 64 bit nomultilib only. I think
I used grub-legacy on amd64 multilib without issues, though I'm not
sure since I use grub2 since 1.98 came out (without issues, by the way)

WKR
Hinnerk
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mgehampicke at gmail

Aug 13, 2012, 4:21 AM

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> As far as I recall the issues are with 64 bit nomultilib only. I think
> I used grub-legacy on amd64 multilib without issues, though I'm not
> sure since I use grub2 since 1.98 came out (without issues, by the way)

You are correct. On a no-multilib 64 bit system you cannot compile
grub:1 - you must use grub-static or grub:2


Warp_7 at gmx

Aug 13, 2012, 10:43 AM

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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 09:03:38AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:43:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> > It's easy enough: "its" = "belonging to it"; "it's" = "it is/was/has".
> > The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession.
>
> The confusion arises because, when used with a name, an apostrophe is
> needed for a possessive. Of course, if you refer to everyone as "it",
> the confusion disappears :)

The proper posessive analogy here would be “her” and, of course, “his”.

I guess the only reason why I'm so observant of such things is because I had
to learn it from scratch starting at about 12 at school. Native speakers do
as they are used to from earliest childhood. It wasn't different with me and
my native tongue. $deiety, when I look at the stuff that I wrote as a child…
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Warp_7 at gmx

Aug 13, 2012, 10:46 AM

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:14:11PM -0500, Dale wrote:

> >> I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything
> >> special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf;
> >> e.g.
> >>
> >> default 0
> >> timeout 30
> >> splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> > That's the way I used to too also. Very strange this all...
>
>
> Just a thought. Could it be that the text and the background is the
> same color? If you put white text on a white background, all you see is
> white which looks blank, empty or whatever you want to call it.

No, because the original text “Loading Grub from Harddisk” and “Loading stage
1.5” don’t disappear. But you know what -- I just tested again in qemu (to
read the text output so that I can write it here). And lo!, the menu finally
appeared. Let’s see then what the next reboot will bring.
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michaelkintzios at gmail

Aug 13, 2012, 2:31 PM

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Re: Cannot see Grub menu [In reply to]

On Monday 13 Aug 2012 18:46:22 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:14:11PM -0500, Dale wrote:

> > Just a thought. Could it be that the text and the background is the
> > same color? If you put white text on a white background, all you see is
> > white which looks blank, empty or whatever you want to call it.
>
> No, because the original text “Loading Grub from Harddisk” and “Loading
> stage 1.5” don’t disappear. But you know what -- I just tested again in
> qemu (to read the text output so that I can write it here). And lo!, the
> menu finally appeared. Let’s see then what the next reboot will bring.

What, without changing anything in your system? O_o

Could it be a hardware problem then?
--
Regards,
Mick
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