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purslow at ca

Jul 31, 2012, 8:47 PM

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new machine : proposed design

Thanks for all the advice so far. Here is the list of proposed pieces :

CPU : AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz 8 MB : 149.99 (CAD)
Mobo : Asus M5A97 AM3+ DDR3 2133 6xSATA3 2xUSB3 USB2 : 99.99
Memory : Kingston ValueRAM 4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz CL9 : 24.99
Graphix : Asus GT520-1GD3-CSM Nv GT520 810 MHz 1 GB : 54.99
SSD : Kingston HyperX 3K SATA3 120 GB 6 Gb/s : 149.99
HDD : Seagate Barracuda SATA3 500 GB 16 MB 6 Gb/s : 69.99
Case : Canada Computer NA-680 ATX Tower 450 W W/CR : 42.99
subtotal : 592.93
tax : 77.08
total : 670.01

CPU : the principal point made seemed to be that raw speed is central;
I'm suspicious that > 4 cores, chip design becomes vital to performance
& I doubt if I'm going to need more cores; this is the fastest CPU in sight.

Mobo : I've always bought Asus.

Memory : I already have 1 of these in another machine,
so I'll end up with 8 GB after transfering it ; there's no point
in buying faster memory, as it will run at the lower speed.

Graphics : I prefer to go with Nvidia on a separate card :
my suspicion is that Intel's built-in GPU takes space on the die
& I had a bad experience with drivers when I tried to use it
on a machine I built in 2007 (I had to add an Nvidia card in the end).

SSD : I'll use this for everything needing regular access
& esp anything Portage (grin).

HDD : This is far larger than I'll need in the foreseeable future,
but it will allow me to set up an incremental Rsync back-up.

Case : I assume 450 W is adequate; the 2007 PSU has 500 W .

I will also transfer a CD/DVD drive from another machine.

All pieces are in good supply at Canada Computers in downtown Toronto,
which suggests they are popular with other customers.

Comments are as welcome as ever (big smile).

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volkerarmin at googlemail

Jul 31, 2012, 10:25 PM

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Eithout looking it up.... With that prize the case is crap. The psu even
more so. And Kingston....ugh... noname quality....

Quoting will be shot, blame phone.
Am 01.08.2012 05:52 schrieb "Philip Webb" <purslow [at] ca>:

> Thanks for all the advice so far. Here is the list of proposed pieces :
>
> CPU : AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz 8 MB : 149.99 (CAD)
> Mobo : Asus M5A97 AM3+ DDR3 2133 6xSATA3 2xUSB3 USB2 : 99.99
> Memory : Kingston ValueRAM 4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz CL9 : 24.99
> Graphix : Asus GT520-1GD3-CSM Nv GT520 810 MHz 1 GB : 54.99
> SSD : Kingston HyperX 3K SATA3 120 GB 6 Gb/s : 149.99
> HDD : Seagate Barracuda SATA3 500 GB 16 MB 6 Gb/s : 69.99
> Case : Canada Computer NA-680 ATX Tower 450 W W/CR : 42.99
> subtotal : 592.93
> tax : 77.08
> total : 670.01
>
> CPU : the principal point made seemed to be that raw speed is central;
> I'm suspicious that > 4 cores, chip design becomes vital to performance
> & I doubt if I'm going to need more cores; this is the fastest CPU in
> sight.
>
> Mobo : I've always bought Asus.
>
> Memory : I already have 1 of these in another machine,
> so I'll end up with 8 GB after transfering it ; there's no point
> in buying faster memory, as it will run at the lower speed.
>
> Graphics : I prefer to go with Nvidia on a separate card :
> my suspicion is that Intel's built-in GPU takes space on the die
> & I had a bad experience with drivers when I tried to use it
> on a machine I built in 2007 (I had to add an Nvidia card in the end).
>
> SSD : I'll use this for everything needing regular access
> & esp anything Portage (grin).
>
> HDD : This is far larger than I'll need in the foreseeable future,
> but it will allow me to set up an incremental Rsync back-up.
>
> Case : I assume 450 W is adequate; the 2007 PSU has 500 W .
>
> I will also transfer a CD/DVD drive from another machine.
>
> All pieces are in good supply at Canada Computers in downtown Toronto,
> which suggests they are popular with other customers.
>
> Comments are as welcome as ever (big smile).
>
> --
> ========================,,============================================
> SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb
> ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto
> TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
>
>
>


dani at ip6

Jul 31, 2012, 10:33 PM

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 07:25:10AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Eithout looking it up.... With that prize the case is crap. The psu even
> more so. And Kingston....ugh... noname quality....

actually ValueRam is pretty decent, i ran ddr2 modules in some old machines
without problems in the last years, also i remember using HyperX ddr2 on
non *nix computers flawless in office work.

careful on the "real" ssd sata3 types performances tho..

>
> Quoting will be shot, blame phone.
> Am 01.08.2012 05:52 schrieb "Philip Webb" <purslow [at] ca>:
>
> > Thanks for all the advice so far. Here is the list of proposed pieces :
> >
> > CPU : AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz 8 MB : 149.99 (CAD)
> > Mobo : Asus M5A97 AM3+ DDR3 2133 6xSATA3 2xUSB3 USB2 : 99.99
> > Memory : Kingston ValueRAM 4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz CL9 : 24.99
> > Graphix : Asus GT520-1GD3-CSM Nv GT520 810 MHz 1 GB : 54.99
> > SSD : Kingston HyperX 3K SATA3 120 GB 6 Gb/s : 149.99
> > HDD : Seagate Barracuda SATA3 500 GB 16 MB 6 Gb/s : 69.99
> > Case : Canada Computer NA-680 ATX Tower 450 W W/CR : 42.99
> > subtotal : 592.93
> > tax : 77.08
> > total : 670.01
> >
> > CPU : the principal point made seemed to be that raw speed is central;
> > I'm suspicious that > 4 cores, chip design becomes vital to performance
> > & I doubt if I'm going to need more cores; this is the fastest CPU in
> > sight.
> >
> > Mobo : I've always bought Asus.
> >
> > Memory : I already have 1 of these in another machine,
> > so I'll end up with 8 GB after transfering it ; there's no point
> > in buying faster memory, as it will run at the lower speed.
> >
> > Graphics : I prefer to go with Nvidia on a separate card :
> > my suspicion is that Intel's built-in GPU takes space on the die
> > & I had a bad experience with drivers when I tried to use it
> > on a machine I built in 2007 (I had to add an Nvidia card in the end).
> >
> > SSD : I'll use this for everything needing regular access
> > & esp anything Portage (grin).
> >
> > HDD : This is far larger than I'll need in the foreseeable future,
> > but it will allow me to set up an incremental Rsync back-up.
> >
> > Case : I assume 450 W is adequate; the 2007 PSU has 500 W .
> >
> > I will also transfer a CD/DVD drive from another machine.
> >
> > All pieces are in good supply at Canada Computers in downtown Toronto,
> > which suggests they are popular with other customers.
> >
> > Comments are as welcome as ever (big smile).
> >
> > --
> > ========================,,============================================
> > SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb
> > ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto
> > TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
> >
> >
> >

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adamcarter3 at gmail

Jul 31, 2012, 10:53 PM

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>> CPU : AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz 8 MB : 149.99 (CAD)

I don't know your use case, but the only thing that is CPU intensive
for me is software compilation, and since that uses more cores nicely,
i'd go an 8150 to get 8 cores.

>> Case : Canada Computer NA-680 ATX Tower 450 W W/CR : 42.99

IMO power supplies are the least reliable bit of a PC so go for a
quality one. I had an Antec that didn't last as long as it should, so
I bought a Corsair last time. Of course making a decision on a sample
size of one is not credible...


rdalek1967 at gmail

Jul 31, 2012, 11:12 PM

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Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
> Eithout looking it up.... With that prize the case is crap. The psu
> even more so. And Kingston....ugh... noname quality....
>
> Quoting will be shot, blame phone.
>
>
<< SNIPPED out nasty phone quote >>

I don't tend to say much on case other than making sure it has good air
flow. The "looks" of one is in the eye of the beholder. Power supply,
I would look at these:

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589708

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458204

That talks about P/S's and which are known to be good and such. I think
it lists some to avoid to. I can't get them to come up right now. My
rig is not to far from yours. Mine pulls about 200 watts with the
monitor turned off. I still have the DSL modem, router and such turned
on tho and the rig is at idle. My drives are regular drives, no SSD
thingys, yet. Your wattage may be OK but if you add to much to it, it
may not be big enough. Just a thought.

I have used Kingston for years. I have never had trouble with them.

One last thing, make sure the mobo, CPU and memory match up. May not be
a bad idea to check the ASUS website to see if they list this ram just
in case. Gigabyte has this and I checked mine before I bought the
parts. Nothing worse than getting the ram and realizing they are the
wrong type.

Post back and let us know if lightning bolts come out of it. o_O

Dale

:-) :-)

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volkerarmin at googlemail

Aug 1, 2012, 10:57 AM

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Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012, 08:33:39 schrieb Daniel Petre:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 07:25:10AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Eithout looking it up.... With that prize the case is crap. The psu even
> > more so. And Kingston....ugh... noname quality....
>
> actually ValueRam is pretty decent, i ran ddr2 modules in some old machines
> without problems in the last years, also i remember using HyperX ddr2 on
> non *nix computers flawless in office work.


sadly: no. Kingston is unable to program SPDeeproms correctly and with every
ValueRam stick you will get another type of chips. Oh - and their quality
checks suck.

Kingston is way too expensive for their low quality products. You can just buy
some cheapo 'almost' noname brand and get better results.

And the SSD - seriously? Get OCZ or Samsung. Kingston is just rebranding one
of those. Just with lesser probability of bug fixing firmware updates and much
worse customer support.

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purslow at ca

Aug 1, 2012, 1:33 PM

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120801 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Kingston is way too expensive for their low quality products.
> You can just buy some cheapo 'almost' noname brand and get better results.

At my regular store (no, I'm not schlepping all over town), I see :

AMD Entertainment 4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz CL9 Optimized for AMD : 24.99

They have 8 in stock, which suggests they're popular with customers.
I'm sceptical re 'optimized for AMD', but it is the same manufacturer.
This is 1600 MHz a/a the Kingston, which is 1330 MHz ,
but I want to re-use a stick I already own from another machine
which is also a Kingston 4 GB 1330 MHz , so I won't be using the speed.
I've never had a problem with Kingston memory nor with their USB sticks,
so I need a bit more convincing (smile).

> And the SSD - seriously ? Get OCZ or Samsung:
> Kingston is just rebranding one of those.

There are no Samsung SSDs available at the store (do they make them ? ).
However, OCZ does look very competitive (thanks for this bit of advice):

OCZ Vertex3 240 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 550 MB/s W 525 MB/s : 209.99
OCZ Vertex4 128 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 560 MB/s W 430 MB/s : 124.99
OCZ Vertex3 120 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 550 MB/s W 500 MB/s : 119.99
OCZ Agility3 120 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 525 MB/s W 500 MB/s : 99.99

So I can pay CAD 60 more & get twice the storage
or save CAD 25 - 50 & get the same storage.
I don't suppose the R/W variations make much difference in everyday use
(the Kingston I listed is R 555 W 510 : in the same ballpark).
Moreover, all of them are 10+ in stock, again suggesting popularity.

So you've got my attention (grin). Any further comments by VAH or others ?

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========================,,============================================
SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb
ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca


markknecht at gmail

Aug 1, 2012, 1:55 PM

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Philip Webb <purslow [at] ca> wrote:
> Thanks for all the advice so far. Here is the list of proposed pieces :
>
> CPU : AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz 8 MB : 149.99 (CAD)
> Mobo : Asus M5A97 AM3+ DDR3 2133 6xSATA3 2xUSB3 USB2 : 99.99
> Memory : Kingston ValueRAM 4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz CL9 : 24.99
> Graphix : Asus GT520-1GD3-CSM Nv GT520 810 MHz 1 GB : 54.99
> SSD : Kingston HyperX 3K SATA3 120 GB 6 Gb/s : 149.99
> HDD : Seagate Barracuda SATA3 500 GB 16 MB 6 Gb/s : 69.99
> Case : Canada Computer NA-680 ATX Tower 450 W W/CR : 42.99
> subtotal : 592.93
> tax : 77.08
> total : 670.01
>
> CPU : the principal point made seemed to be that raw speed is central;
> I'm suspicious that > 4 cores, chip design becomes vital to performance
> & I doubt if I'm going to need more cores; this is the fastest CPU in sight.
>
> Mobo : I've always bought Asus.
>
> Memory : I already have 1 of these in another machine,
> so I'll end up with 8 GB after transfering it ; there's no point
> in buying faster memory, as it will run at the lower speed.
>
> Graphics : I prefer to go with Nvidia on a separate card :
> my suspicion is that Intel's built-in GPU takes space on the die
> & I had a bad experience with drivers when I tried to use it
> on a machine I built in 2007 (I had to add an Nvidia card in the end).
>
> SSD : I'll use this for everything needing regular access
> & esp anything Portage (grin).
>
> HDD : This is far larger than I'll need in the foreseeable future,
> but it will allow me to set up an incremental Rsync back-up.
>
> Case : I assume 450 W is adequate; the 2007 PSU has 500 W .
>
> I will also transfer a CD/DVD drive from another machine.
>
> All pieces are in good supply at Canada Computers in downtown Toronto,
> which suggests they are popular with other customers.
>
> Comments are as welcome as ever (big smile).
>
> --
> ========================,,============================================
> SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb
> ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto
> TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
>
>

Ok, so I get that you're on a budget (who isn't these days!) and so
you're proposing to reuse some memory from another box, but I think
for a nice new processor you'd do better to spend a few bucks more
and buy a new 8GB DRAM set for about $80 instead of reusing the older
one. This would allow you to get another 8GB later when you decide you
want it. (and you will!) ;-)

Anyway, it's an additional $45 which is about 8% of the machine cost.

I attach a link to Crucial's page for that motherboard. Crucial stuff
you can usually get through Amazon so no running around. Crucial has
replaced memory 2 or 3 times for me no charge. Good company.

Good luck,
Mark

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=M5A97&Cat=RAM


rdalek1967 at gmail

Aug 1, 2012, 1:57 PM

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Philip Webb wrote:
> 120801 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Kingston is way too expensive for their low quality products.
>> You can just buy some cheapo 'almost' noname brand and get better results.
> At my regular store (no, I'm not schlepping all over town), I see :
>
> AMD Entertainment 4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz CL9 Optimized for AMD : 24.99
>
> They have 8 in stock, which suggests they're popular with customers.
> I'm sceptical re 'optimized for AMD', but it is the same manufacturer.
> This is 1600 MHz a/a the Kingston, which is 1330 MHz ,
> but I want to re-use a stick I already own from another machine
> which is also a Kingston 4 GB 1330 MHz , so I won't be using the speed.
> I've never had a problem with Kingston memory nor with their USB sticks,
> so I need a bit more convincing (smile).
>
>

Kingston should work fine. I been using them for years, one build was
built back in 2003 and it still runs, although slowly by todays
standards. ;-) I have also used Kingston in other people's rigs for
upgrades and they are working fine too.

I think memory is like hard drives, one or two people have something go
wrong and they have to be all bad for everyone. It's one reason I hate
asking a hard drive question. Someone always chimes up that they had
one fail many years ago so it just has to be bad. lol

Dale

:-) :-)

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volkerarmin at googlemail

Aug 2, 2012, 9:25 AM

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Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012, 15:57:25 schrieb Dale:
>
> I think memory is like hard drives, one or two people have something go
> wrong and they have to be all bad for everyone.

no, it is like: no correct SPD rom ever. Just because most mobos work around
it, is not an excuse.
Or like an entire batch where the sticker machine crushed the chips beneath it
- and Kingston 'quality control' did not catch it.

Heise had lots of fun with them (and those high prized 'overclocker'
sticks....)

If you want quality: buy something else.
If you are concerned about the prize: seriously, buy something else.


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volkerarmin at googlemail

Aug 2, 2012, 9:29 AM

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Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012, 16:33:21 schrieb Philip Webb:
> 120801 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Kingston is way too expensive for their low quality products.
> > You can just buy some cheapo 'almost' noname brand and get better results.
>
> At my regular store (no, I'm not schlepping all over town), I see :
>
> AMD Entertainment 4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz CL9 Optimized for AMD : 24.99
>
> They have 8 in stock, which suggests they're popular with customers.
> I'm sceptical re 'optimized for AMD', but it is the same manufacturer.
> This is 1600 MHz a/a the Kingston, which is 1330 MHz ,
> but I want to re-use a stick I already own from another machine
> which is also a Kingston 4 GB 1330 MHz , so I won't be using the speed.
> I've never had a problem with Kingston memory nor with their USB sticks,
> so I need a bit more convincing (smile).
>
> > And the SSD - seriously ? Get OCZ or Samsung:
> > Kingston is just rebranding one of those.
>
> There are no Samsung SSDs available at the store (do they make them ? ).

are you joking? Samsung is one of the big ones - a lot of laptops run with
rebranded Samsung SSDs. Samsung produces flash chips, their own controllers and
well performing SSDs.

> However, OCZ does look very competitive (thanks for this bit of advice):
>
> OCZ Vertex3 240 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 550 MB/s W 525 MB/s : 209.99
> OCZ Vertex4 128 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 560 MB/s W 430 MB/s : 124.99
> OCZ Vertex3 120 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 550 MB/s W 500 MB/s : 119.99

have that one. Is a nice one.

> OCZ Agility3 120 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 525 MB/s W 500 MB/s : 99.99
>
> So I can pay CAD 60 more & get twice the storage
> or save CAD 25 - 50 & get the same storage.
> I don't suppose the R/W variations make much difference in everyday use
> (the Kingston I listed is R 555 W 510 : in the same ballpark).
> Moreover, all of them are 10+ in stock, again suggesting popularity.
>
> So you've got my attention (grin). Any further comments by VAH or others ?

yeah, seriously, don't buy case+psu combos. They almost always suck.

Also: the bigger the fan, the less speed you need them to run at. The quieter
they are. If you can get a case with placings for 14cm fans and it is
comparable to some 12 or 8cm case - get the where you can use 14cm fans. it is
really worth it.

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peterk2 at coolmail

Aug 2, 2012, 3:10 PM

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On 2012-08-02 18:25, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

> If you want quality: buy something else.
> If you are concerned about the prize: seriously, buy something else.

Hm, your experience with Kingston seems different than mine; I've had
nothing but problems with other brands _but_ Kingston and I've been
using them for years in various computers/motherboards. All three
current motherboards run Kingston stable (two of them since quite a few
years now, one is the Gigabyte M57SLI-S4 motherboard which have an extra
flashrom soldered onto the motherboard for easy switching between
proprietary firmware[a.k.a. BIOS] and coreboot).

And here's a couple of pc's (not mine) running coreboot (which relies on
the SPD rom information in order to set up the memory):
http://www.coreboot.org/HP_DL145_G3
http://www.coreboot.org/ASUS_M4A78-EM

I'm sure you can dig up some dirt on Kingston but I'm quite confident
that you can dig up the same on other brands as well... but again, I've
had no problems with Kingston so I'm sticking to them. Although, I
perhaps should mention I don't do any overclocking of any kind since I
value stability over all...

Best regards / MfG

Peter K


purslow at ca

Aug 2, 2012, 5:58 PM

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120802 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012, 16:33:21 schrieb Philip Webb:
>> There are no Samsung SSDs available at the store (do they make them ? ).
> are you joking? Samsung is one of the big ones -
> a lot of laptops run with rebranded Samsung SSDs.
> Samsung produces flash chips, their own controllers & well performing SSDs.

Goto http://www.canadacomputers.com/search_result.php?keywords=&manu=0&sid=pl8enmo1d9rsvg3qk00ip4k315&search=1&ccid=1088&cPath=179_1088&pagePos=0&pricerange=%240.00-%24299.99+%28102%29
(or simply to the base URL & follow the menus).
There are a lot of SSDs, but nothing called 'Samsung'.
Do they market them under another brand name ?

>> OCZ Vertex3 120 GB SATA3 6 GB/s R 550 MB/s W 500 MB/s : 119.99
> have that one. Is a nice one.

Yes, I've already put it in my list to replace the Kingston.

> seriously, don't buy case+psu combos. They almost always suck.
> Also: the bigger the fan, the less speed you need them to run at.
> The quieter they are. If you can get a case with placings for 14cm fans
> and it is comparable to some 12 or 8cm case - get that.
> it is really worth it.

I always have: it saves CAD & the only problem was c 2004 ,
when the PSU fan failed & fried the mobo : I replaced both
& the machine continues to function well as my stand-by box.
I'm not worried by ordinary fan noise: try traffic, TVs etc etc (smile).

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========================,,============================================
SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb
ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca


mikemol at gmail

Aug 2, 2012, 9:12 PM

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On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Philip Webb <purslow [at] ca> wrote:
> 120802 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012, 16:33:21 schrieb Philip Webb:
>>> There are no Samsung SSDs available at the store (do they make them ? ).
>> are you joking? Samsung is one of the big ones -
>> a lot of laptops run with rebranded Samsung SSDs.
>> Samsung produces flash chips, their own controllers & well performing SSDs.
>
> Goto http://www.canadacomputers.com/search_result.php?keywords=&manu=0&sid=pl8enmo1d9rsvg3qk00ip4k315&search=1&ccid=1088&cPath=179_1088&pagePos=0&pricerange=%240.00-%24299.99+%28102%29
> (or simply to the base URL & follow the menus).
> There are a lot of SSDs, but nothing called 'Samsung'.
> Do they market them under another brand name ?

http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/solid-state-drives

I didn't find them listed on Newegg, but they do turn up on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_hi_5?rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A%21493964%2Cn%3A541966%2Cn%3A193870011%2Cn%3A1292116011%2Cp_4%3ASamsung&bbn=1292116011&ie=UTF8&qid=1343967065
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purslow at ca

Aug 2, 2012, 10:13 PM

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120803 Michael Mol wrote:
> http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/solid-state-drives

They have just 1 desktop at 128 GB & it costs USD 230 ... !
I'm grateful to VAH for getting me to check out the OCZs,
but I suspect he's shooting from the hip re Samsung.

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Aug 3, 2012, 7:45 AM

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Am Freitag, 3. August 2012, 01:13:45 schrieb Philip Webb:
> 120803 Michael Mol wrote:
> > http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/solid-state-drives
>
> They have just 1 desktop at 128 GB & it costs USD 230 ... !
> I'm grateful to VAH for getting me to check out the OCZs,
> but I suspect he's shooting from the hip re Samsung.

I don't know the meaning of that one.

I have one Samsung SSD and one from OCZ .

Samsung's do very well in reviews and are readily available in Germany.

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Aug 3, 2012, 8:19 AM

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On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Philip Webb <purslow [at] ca> wrote:
> 120803 Michael Mol wrote:
>> http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/solid-state-drives
>
> They have just 1 desktop at 128 GB & it costs USD 230 ... !
> I'm grateful to VAH for getting me to check out the OCZs,
> but I suspect he's shooting from the hip re Samsung.

That's just MSRP, nobody pays that. You can get Samsung 128GB USD$89
on sale typically. Current price on Newegg is USD$99 free shipping (in
the US, anyway). If you want one with mounting rails included it might
cost a little more.

Typically with SSD the biggest problems have been with firmware. The
SSDs with the best reputation for reliability are typically Intel and
Samsung. Intel costs a lot more than any of the others.

Pretty much all of the rest (current-generation) use the same
Sandforce controller and so then your big questions to differentiate
between them are how frequently they update firmware, if they allow
firmware updates to occur in linux (or from a boot disk/ISO), what
features are supported that you care about (encryption, compression),
over-provisioning, what quality of memory do they use. There were
widespread reports of problems when the latest sandforce were first
introduced, drives disconnecting randomly, that sort of thing, but I
believe those problems have been corrected by firmware updates and you
shouldn't have any problems today with any of them, as long as they've
released updates.

OCZ is a premiere partner of Sandforce, so they usually get the new
chips and latest firmware fixes sooner than the other Sandforce-using
brands. There are other brands who have a good reputation online for
reliability, such as Mushkin, Sandisk, OWC...

I personally have a Samsung 128GB for root and Sandisk 240GB for home.

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