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alan.mckinnon at gmail

Jun 17, 2012, 2:28 AM

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Re: Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 03:13:50 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin [at] googlemail> wrote:

> Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 19:06:30 schrieb Michael Mol:
> > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> >
> > <volkerarmin [at] googlemail> wrote:
> > > Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 23:12:48 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> > >> On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:00:04 +0300
> > >>
> > >> Nikos Chantziaras <realnc [at] gmail> wrote:
> > >> > On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote:
> > >> > > I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively
> > >> > > soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture
> > >> > > the smartphone market.
> > >> >
> > >> > Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15
> > >> > years now.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are we dead yet?
> > >>
> > >> Fine comment.
> > >>
> > >> Yes indeed, Microsoft's *real* cash cow - millions of corporate
> > >> desktops running $LATEST_WINDOWS and $LATEST_OFFICE are all
> > >> going to die out inthe next year. Not.
> > >
> > > and in corporate speak that means Windows XP and Office 2003/2007
> > >
> > > because they work, they don't get in the way of doing things, the
> > > people are trained and nobody needs to smudge around on the
> > > screen,
> >
> > The most effective way I can imagine for keeping me on-task: Force
> > me to use a Windows XP workstation.
> >
> > I won't be using _any_ personal credentials through the web browser
> > or any other part of the system. I'm not taking that risk on a
> > post-support version of Windows.
>
> win xp is still supported.
>
> have you ever dealt with 'standard office workers'?

No, I haven't much. I refuse to deal with such people (because if I
have to they produce a reaction in me that gets me fired...)

But I have dealt with the tools they use

> They want to use
> the same tools every freaking day.

You must mean the typical corporate bespoke app. You know the ones -
the apps that wraps the company's entire business logic and makes
business possible.

Now these apps are atrocious. The worst of the worst you will ever find
in the Android App Store is a beautiful model of efficiency compared to
the best bespoke corporate app out there.

The buttons go in the weirdest places. The workflow is bizarre. They
tend to make no bloody sense at all. But people have gotten used to the
save button in the lower left corner where it cannot be found, and
changing that crashes the entire business process for a week. If anyone
thinks I'm kidding, I assure you I am not.

> The icons on the same place. The
> menu items unchanged. The smallest change throws them off balance.
> Going from one office version to another - like 2000-2003 is a
> disaster. And while 2007&2010 are superior in every regard these
> people are helpless if you confront them with such drastic changes.

And an Office upgrade is a slick easy one to do.

If Office upgrades cause such havoc, imagine what changing the bespoke
stuff does....

>
> Now imagine an update to vista, win7 or win8
>
> Not everybody is a computer geek.

--
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon [at] gmail

volkerarmin at googlemail

Jun 17, 2012, 3:31 AM

Post #27 of 33 (172 views)
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Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan:
> Just in case anyone missed it:
>
> https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I
>
> Rgds,

reeading that and this thread:

as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0

I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then are
covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation.

--
#163933

billk at iinet

Jun 17, 2012, 4:39 AM

Post #28 of 33 (175 views)
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Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

On Sun, 2012-06-17 at 12:31 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan:
> > Just in case anyone missed it:
> >
> > https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I
> >
> > Rgds,
>
> reeading that and this thread:
>
> as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0
>
> I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then are
> covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation.
>

quick, pass the tin hat, someone can see me!

:)
BillK

alecks.g at gmail

Jun 17, 2012, 10:57 AM

Post #29 of 33 (171 views)
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Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin [at] googlemail> wrote:
> Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>> Just in case anyone missed it:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I
>>
>> Rgds,
>
> reeading that and this thread:
>
> as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0
>
> I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then are
> covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation.
>
> --
> #163933
>

I must be really special since I'm completely productive and happy
with Gnome 3 . . . .

I'll need the tin hat, too. Seems rather stylish, right now.

caneko at gmail

Jun 17, 2012, 12:12 PM

Post #30 of 33 (170 views)
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Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Alecks Gates <alecks.g [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> <volkerarmin [at] googlemail> wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>>> Just in case anyone missed it:
>>>
>>> https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>
>> reeading that and this thread:
>>
>> as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0
>>
>> I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then are
>> covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation.
>>
>> --
>> #163933
>>
>
> I must be really special since I'm completely productive and happy
> with Gnome 3 . . . .

Haven't you heard? Those of us who like GNOME 3 are nothing but
fanbois. Sorry to break the news to you; I didn't know either, and it
was also a shock to me.

I'm trying to live now a regular life knowing that I'm just a fanboi,
but I suppose it's hard, since we obviously don't know what the hell
are we doing if we like such a gigantic mess like GNOME 3 is.

(I *really* think I should not have the need to said this, but just
to cover all the bases: All of the above is sarcasm.)

Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

realnc at gmail

Jun 17, 2012, 2:09 PM

Post #31 of 33 (173 views)
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Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

On 17/06/12 22:12, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Alecks Gates <alecks.g [at] gmail> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>> <volkerarmin [at] googlemail> wrote:
>>> Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>>>> Just in case anyone missed it:
>>>>
>>>> https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I
>>>>
>>>> Rgds,
>>>
>>> reeading that and this thread:
>>>
>>> as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0
>>>
>>> I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then are
>>> covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation.
>>>
>>> --
>>> #163933
>>>
>>
>> I must be really special since I'm completely productive and happy
>> with Gnome 3 . . . .
>
> Haven't you heard? Those of us who like GNOME 3 are nothing but
> fanbois. Sorry to break the news to you; I didn't know either, and it
> was also a shock to me.
>
> I'm trying to live now a regular life knowing that I'm just a fanboi,
> but I suppose it's hard, since we obviously don't know what the hell
> are we doing if we like such a gigantic mess like GNOME 3 is.
>
> (I *really* think I should not have the need to said this, but just
> to cover all the bases: All of the above is sarcasm.)
>
> Regards.

People using Gnome don't need to get upset because a website posts a
review where KDE wins, or a high-profile community member like Torvalds
bashes it.

Gnome sucks. It sucks really, really bad. But this is only the opinion
of the one writing that statement.

Like fortune cookie told me when I logged in today:

Opinions are like assholes -- everyone's got one, but
nobody wants to look at the other guy's.

-- Hal Hickman

alecks.g at gmail

Jun 17, 2012, 2:16 PM

Post #32 of 33 (176 views)
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Re: Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc [at] gmail> wrote:
> On 17/06/12 22:12, Canek Pel�ez Vald�s wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Alecks Gates <alecks.g [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>>> <volkerarmin [at] googlemail> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just in case anyone missed it:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I
>>>>>
>>>>> Rgds,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> reeading that and this thread:
>>>>
>>>> as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0
>>>>
>>>> I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then
>>>> are
>>>> covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> #163933
>>>>
>>>
>>> I must be really special since I'm completely productive and happy
>>> with Gnome 3 . . . .
>>
>>
>> Haven't you heard? Those of us who like GNOME 3 are nothing but
>> fanbois. Sorry to break the news to you; I didn't know either, and it
>> was also a shock to me.
>>
>> I'm trying to live now a regular life knowing that I'm just a fanboi,
>> but I suppose it's hard, since we obviously don't know what the hell
>> are we doing if we like such a gigantic mess like GNOME 3 is.
>>
>> (I *really* think I should not �have the need to said this, but just
>> to cover all the bases: All of the above is sarcasm.)
>>
>> Regards.
>
>
> People using Gnome don't need to get upset because a website posts a review
> where KDE wins, or a high-profile community member like Torvalds bashes it.
>
> Gnome sucks. �It sucks really, really bad. �But this is only the opinion of
> the one writing that statement.
>
> Like fortune cookie told me when I logged in today:
>
> �Opinions are like assholes -- everyone's got one, but
> �nobody wants to look at the other guy's.
>
> � � � � � � � �-- Hal Hickman
>
>

As near as I can tell, it's not the GNOME users that are upset but
rather the people bashing it. It's almost like reverse trolling... I
can just sit here and nod my head while someone complains all day
long!

If you don't like it, fine. Don't get yourself upset over it, not
that you, personally, are getting upset.

w41ter at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 7:23 AM

Post #33 of 33 (166 views)
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Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3 [In reply to]

On 06/16/2012 12:01 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM, walt <w41ter [at] gmail> wrote:
>> FWIW, I recently tried Windows 8 beta (on virtualbox, of course)
>> and I found it unusable. Why? Because they are rushing to
>> catch up with gnome3. Their new desktop looks very much like
>> a smartphone.
>>
>> I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon
>> and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the
>> smartphone market.
>
> Or they realized that the "old" users doesn't really matter, because
> what is important is the younger generation being raised using
> smartphones and tablets, and which play with Wii, Xbox Kinect or PS3
> Move. That's the important market, and the future.
>
> BTW, using GNOME 3 for more than one year in my laptop and desktop,
> and I love it. I also want a tablet with it.

Well, now it becomes clear. I just read that MS has officially
released Surface, its new Win8-powered tablet.

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