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dshuman at speakeasy

Dec 24, 2004, 8:28 PM

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Oldworld Mac Support

Could not find much about supported oldworld Macs so --

Does anyone have experience with the following models?

PMac 7100/66 (nubus)
Performa 4400/200 (IDE disk and CDRom)
Performa 6400 (IDE Disk SCSI CDRom and Disk)

Most machines have 128MB of ram and 8GB or more disk space.

I realize add in cards also have support issues but am trying to decide which machines and the order to load them -- easiest first would be wise for this Gentoo newbie.

I am an IT professional with MAC, Linux and PC experience. I was impressed the general install practices (including local compilation) documented for Gentoo and am considering adding information about this distribution to my background.

Thanks in advance -- I hope this request is in line with the practices of this mailing list.

David Shuman



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carl at hudkins

Dec 26, 2004, 5:36 PM

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Re: Oldworld Mac Support [In reply to]

dshuman [at] speakeasy wrote:

> Could not find much about supported oldworld Macs so --
>
> Does anyone have experience with the following models?
>
> PMac 7100/66 (nubus)
> Performa 4400/200 (IDE disk and CDRom)
> Performa 6400 (IDE Disk SCSI CDRom and Disk)
>
> Most machines have 128MB of ram and 8GB or more disk space.

I do not have experience with the particular machines you have, but I can
tell you that I have successfully installed Gentoo on a Power Mac 8600
(OldWorld, using BootX, and rather cramped with only 4 GB disk space, 64 MB
RAM) and a dual-G3 (NewWorld, using yaboot, 128 MB RAM, 160 GB HD). I had
a few snags with both (mostly because, for one reason or another, I was
unable to follow the (current) install guide exactly), but wound up with a
working system in each case.

I'm typing this from the above-mentioned G3 (which is my fallback machine,
and thus the main one while I convert my Pentium-3 box over to PaX); I'm
very satisfied with it overall. All the "basics" work, and I'm now working
on "embellishments". ;) I hope this is useful or encouraging in some way.

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clmason at gmail

Dec 26, 2004, 6:00 PM

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Re: Re: Oldworld Mac Support [In reply to]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:36:08 -0500, Carl Hudkins <carl [at] hudkins> wrote:
> dshuman [at] speakeasy wrote:
>
> > Could not find much about supported oldworld Macs so --
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with the following models?
> >
> > PMac 7100/66 (nubus)
> > Performa 4400/200 (IDE disk and CDRom)
> > Performa 6400 (IDE Disk SCSI CDRom and Disk)
> >
> > Most machines have 128MB of ram and 8GB or more disk space.
>
> I do not have experience with the particular machines you have, but I can
> tell you that I have successfully installed Gentoo on a Power Mac 8600
> (OldWorld, using BootX, and rather cramped with only 4 GB disk space, 64 MB
> RAM) and a dual-G3 (NewWorld, using yaboot, 128 MB RAM, 160 GB HD). I had
> a few snags with both (mostly because, for one reason or another, I was
> unable to follow the (current) install guide exactly), but wound up with a
> working system in each case.
>
> I'm typing this from the above-mentioned G3 (which is my fallback machine,
> and thus the main one while I convert my Pentium-3 box over to PaX); I'm
> very satisfied with it overall. All the "basics" work, and I'm now working
> on "embellishments". ;) I hope this is useful or encouraging in some way.
>

I also have it working on an oldword G3 All-in-one (233/4gig/64megs) booting
from a small OS 8.6 paritition with BootX. While a bit slow, it works
great as a backup
system for me as well. I even got firefox running (although I don't
run anything else
when using it!)


Chris

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josejx at gentoo

Dec 26, 2004, 7:26 PM

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dshuman [at] speakeasy wrote:
| Does anyone have experience with the following models?
|
| PMac 7100/66 (nubus)

This will only run with a nubus kernel and isn't really supported at all
by Gentoo. Since (as far as I know) the nubus kernel hasn't been ported
to 2.6, you will have problems running this with a Gentoo setup. If
you're still interested, take a look at the nubus kernel's project page:
http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/

| Performa 4400/200 (IDE disk and CDRom)
| Performa 6400 (IDE Disk SCSI CDRom and Disk)
These are old-world 603e, they should work, although there may be some
difficulty getting them to boot.

| Most machines have 128MB of ram and 8GB or more disk space.
|
| I realize add in cards also have support issues but am trying to
decide which machines and the order to load them -- easiest first would
be wise for this Gentoo newbie.

All of these machines are going to be a little more difficult to install
than a new world machine due to booting difficulty. Either of the
603e's would be best to start with though.

Good luck!
- -Joe
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clmason at gmail

Dec 26, 2004, 7:56 PM

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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:48:06 -0600, Jim Ricken <jsac346 [at] vfemail> wrote:
> Chris L. Mason wrote:
>
>> I also have it working on an oldword G3 All-in-one (233/4gig/64megs)
>> booting from a small OS 8.6 paritition with BootX. While a bit slow, it
>> works great as a backup system for me as well. I even got firefox running
>> (although I don't run anything else when using it!) Chris

> Maybe you can
> help me out on this
> I have oldworld 8600 upgraded with a G4/400mhz proc,497mgs ram,and 4
> Hd's installed.
> 1 is a 4gig scsi and the others are 40gb ide,15gb ide,and a 10gb ide.
> I was thinking about putting gentoo on one of my drives, probably the 40gb,
> now I need to go get the software at the gentoo website and burn it to a
> cd,but what kind of software do I need,I will be using bootx and probably
> Mac OS 9.0, unless you suggest something else.
> Jim
>

Hi Jim,

I think OS 9.0 should be fine. The main problem was getting the gentoo livecd
to boot (since it doesn't support booting directly). Download bootx,
and then copy
the kernel and initrd images you need from the kernel to the bootx
directory, and
setup them up in the bootx config. You may need to manually add boot options to
specify the root being on the cdrom device (I can't remember exactly)
and you might
need to also include an option about cramfs (my memory is hazy here.)

Anyway, then boot linux from bootx and if it works properly everything
should startup
okay and you'll get a regular bootup sequence onto the livecd. Then
you can just go
through the manual install procedure as usual. After doing the
install and compiling
the kernel, you need to copy this (make sure you have hfs+ support) to your OS 9
drive, to use with bootx. Then reboot into OS 9, update the confirm
for bootx, and
hopefully you'll now get a boot menu lets you successfully choose
between linux and
macos.

Sorry if some of this is a bit vague, I did this a few months ago and
don't remember the
details (and I'm away on holidays now, so I can't actually check the
old system.)

Let me know if you have any specific questions, and I can try to help.


Chris

(p.s. I actually had to go through an extra step, which might be
important to anyone
with a single drive. I had OS 8.6 only on the whole 4 gigs. So, I
setup an OS X system
with a shared drive, copied all of 8.6 (OS + files), reformatted the
drive, reinstalled OS 8.6,
remounted the old shared drive, moved all the "new" 8.6 stuff to trash
and move all the
copied stuff back to the root drive. Then run a disk check from
something like Norton,
and it should boot and be exactly the same as before, but with less
disk space. :)

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lrutledge at realemail

Dec 27, 2004, 7:15 PM

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Re: Oldworld Mac Support [In reply to]

From: "Chris L. Mason" <clmason [at] gmail>
Date: December 26, 2004 8:00:05 PM EST
To: gentoo-ppc-user [at] lists
Subject: Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] Re: Oldworld Mac Support
Reply-To: "Chris L. Mason" <clmason [at] gmail>


On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:36:08 -0500, Carl Hudkins <carl [at] hudkins>
wrote:
> dshuman [at] speakeasy wrote:
>
>> Could not find much about supported oldworld Macs so --
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with the following models?
>>
>> PMac 7100/66 (nubus)
>> Performa 4400/200 (IDE disk and CDRom)
>> Performa 6400 (IDE Disk SCSI CDRom and Disk)
>>
>> Most machines have 128MB of ram and 8GB or more disk space.

The only way I could get a Linux going on Nubus Performas was using the
MkLinux kernel and bootloader and OS 8.6. I was able to install them
and use the Debian ramdisk install image and install a userland. I
don't know of any other current working alternative.

I think there is still info about the install on my blog, and the pmac
sourceforge page had everything I needed.

None of the booters worked for me except MkLinux.

FYI,

Lincoln



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