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wireless at tampabay

Jul 17, 2009, 5:47 AM

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cell for embedded gentoo

Hello,

I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
I think T mobile is the only operator for such phones.

Is this (Android) phone going to be to be converted to
embedded Gentoo in a reasonable fashion?

If not, I'm looking for a 'turnkey' purchase that either
comes with egentoo or that can be installed with
embedded gentoo.

Any suggestions are most welcome, as this is my first
effort to do this, so minimal pain is of keen interest.

Jumbo fonts (for us older folks) that hate glasses
is a big issue for me.

James

maxposedon at gmail

Jul 17, 2009, 9:57 AM

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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

Openmoko's Neo Freerunner is only one phone with which, you definitely
has less problems than with others.

I don't know Android's(and others linux based phones) status, but as I know
most(or even all) of them have big issue - closed GSM AT command specs,
so, on most of them you can install gentoo, but it will be PDA, not phone.

On Friday 17 July 2009 15:47:13 wireless wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
> or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
> I think T mobile is the only operator for such phones.
>
> Is this (Android) phone going to be to be converted to
> embedded Gentoo in a reasonable fashion?
>
>
> If not, I'm looking for a 'turnkey' purchase that either
> comes with egentoo or that can be installed with
> embedded gentoo.
>
>
> Any suggestions are most welcome, as this is my first
> effort to do this, so minimal pain is of keen interest.
>
>
> Jumbo fonts (for us older folks) that hate glasses
> is a big issue for me.
>
>
>
> James

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david at blue-labs

Jul 17, 2009, 11:37 AM

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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

why would you think only T-mobile provided such a service? :) i was on
Cingular, now on ATT. you can use any cellular hardware on any provider
where the radio bands are supported. my current phone is the GTA02
Freerunner with OM/SHR-unstable on it, on ATT. i'll shortly be trying
gentoo-openmoko dist.

wireless wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
> or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
> I think T mobile is the only operator for such phones

wireless at tampabay

Jul 18, 2009, 1:42 AM

Post #4 of 9 (1230 views)
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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

wireless wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
> or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
> I think T mobile is the only operator for such phones.
>
> Is this (Android) phone going to be to be converted to
> embedded Gentoo in a reasonable fashion?
>
>
> If not, I'm looking for a 'turnkey' purchase that either
> comes with egentoo or that can be installed with
> embedded gentoo.
>
>
> Any suggestions are most welcome, as this is my first
> effort to do this, so minimal pain is of keen interest.
>
>
> Jumbo fonts (for us older folks) that hate glasses
> is a big issue for me.
>

Oops, here's the link to a new phone. How would I find
out if embedded gentoo can be installed on this phone?

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/TMobile-HTC-MyTouch-3G-launch/?kc=LXDEMNL071509

wireless at tampabay

Jul 18, 2009, 1:56 AM

Post #5 of 9 (1226 views)
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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

> On Friday 17 July 2009 15:47:13 wireless wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
>> or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
>> I think T mobile is the only operator for such phones.
>>
>> Is this (Android) phone going to be to be converted to
>> embedded Gentoo in a reasonable fashion?
>>
>>
>> If not, I'm looking for a 'turnkey' purchase that either
>> comes with egentoo or that can be installed with
>> embedded gentoo.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions are most welcome, as this is my first
>> effort to do this, so minimal pain is of keen interest.
>>
>>
>> Jumbo fonts (for us older folks) that hate glasses
>> is a big issue for me.

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> Openmoko's Neo Freerunner is only one phone with which, you
> definitely has less problems than with others.

So on this phone you can install embedded Gentoo, or should I just
stick with OPenmoko and I'm not sure I know the difference.
So via a module, you can use this phone on which cellular provider
here in the US?

> I don't know Android's(and others linux based phones) status, but as
> I know most(or even all) of them have big issue
> closed GSM AT command specs, so, on most of them you
> can install gentoo, but it will be PDA, not phone.

A PDA is not what I need. I want a hackable embedded gentoo
cell phone or with something like openmoko or android where
somebody has put some form of embedded linux on it, in an open
format for other to hack too.

So, what I ask for, a 'dev kit' that runs embedded gentoo, openmoko
or some hackable form of linux does not yet exist in an
cell phone (arm) package?

wireless at tampabay

Jul 18, 2009, 2:26 AM

Post #6 of 9 (1226 views)
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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

>
> wireless wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
>> or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
>> I think T mobile is the only operator for such phones
>
>

David Ford wrote:
> why would you think only T-mobile provided such a
> service? :) i was on
> Cingular, now on ATT. you can use any cellular
> hardware on any provider
> where the radio bands are supported. my current phone is the GTA02
> Freerunner with OM/SHR-unstable on it, on ATT. i'll
> shortly be trying gentoo-openmoko dist.

Wow, the previous 2 posters (if I comprehend correctly) are saying
that there is not a working cell phone (makes calls) one
can install some form of embedded (gentoo) linux on, or did
I miss something? PDA is cool but not what I need.

Let me see if I can restate what I'm looking for, or willing to
wait for. A working cell phone (can make cellular calls),
where embedded linux (hopefully
gentoo) of some sort runs on the processor that does all
of the interface (gui) stuff. I understand I will not be
able to hack the processor that handles the signal communications
(grin) but surely, there is a working phone with a
us cellular provider, where what I look at and use to interface
to the phone, is based on linux. A linux I can hack. Even
if it comes with another OS and embedded linux can be installed
on it. Call it a Dev Kit for cellular linux.....?

James

maxposedon at gmail

Jul 19, 2009, 12:10 PM

Post #7 of 9 (1219 views)
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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

On Saturday 18 July 2009 11:56:13 wireless wrote:
> So on this phone you can install embedded Gentoo, or should I just
> stick with OPenmoko and I'm not sure I know the difference.
> So via a module, you can use this phone on which cellular provider
> here in the US?
> ...
> So, what I ask for, a 'dev kit' that runs embedded gentoo, openmoko
> or some hackable form of linux does not yet exist in an
> cell phone (arm) package?
Yes, you can use Gentoo, see http://gentoo.mindzoo.de , there info about
gentoo overlay for different telephone software.

Sorry, I don't fully understand, what are you afraid of. Neo Freerunner, is
like normal small "PC", with GSM module, and open enough, to run any linux
distros, any toolkits, and any software which you can compile for arm.

lists at wildgooses

Jul 20, 2009, 12:44 AM

Post #8 of 9 (1223 views)
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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

wireless wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
> or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
>

A large part of the problem seems to be that the phone modules
themselves require binary firmware modules and so the closest you appear
to be able to get is usually to be a fancy PDA with a remotely
controlled cell phone module

Actually the cell phone modules themselves are fairly easy to obtain
(and not too pricey). If you just want a fun project to hack on then
also see the Siemens modules which can come with an onboard processor,
java processor and sometimes GPS. These are really easy to code for and
build small projects (tracking things, etc)

I think gumstix also has a phone module and screen (but I think you need
to build your own case?)

Good luck

Ed W

wireless at tampabay

Jul 20, 2009, 1:40 AM

Post #9 of 9 (1223 views)
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Re: cell for embedded gentoo [In reply to]

Ed W wrote:
> wireless wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm planning on getting a cell phone so I can put openmoko
>> or embedded Gentoo on it. I live in Florida and
>>
>
> A large part of the problem seems to be that the phone modules
> themselves require binary firmware modules and so the closest you appear
> to be able to get is usually to be a fancy PDA with a remotely
> controlled cell phone module
>
> Actually the cell phone modules themselves are fairly easy to obtain
> (and not too pricey). If you just want a fun project to hack on then
> also see the Siemens modules which can come with an onboard processor,
> java processor and sometimes GPS. These are really easy to code for and
> build small projects (tracking things, etc)
>
> I think gumstix also has a phone module and screen (but I think you need
> to build your own case?)

thanks for the info.

James

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