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ryao at cs

Mar 15, 2012, 8:01 PM

Post #101 of 108 (299 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On 03/15/12 22:43, Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:47:12PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
>> On 03/15/2012 10:41, Greg KH wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There's always mudev if you don't want to run udev, good luck with that.
>>
>>
>> Got a link? We don't have anything matching in the tree, and Google turns
>> up nothing relevant in the first few pages.
>
> Sorry, I think it's called 'mdev' and is part of busybox.
>
> greg "no one asked me to adopt a package, amazing" k-h

How about app-editors/bvi?
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gregkh at gentoo

Mar 16, 2012, 8:18 AM

Post #102 of 108 (297 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:01:19PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 03/15/12 22:43, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:47:12PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> >> On 03/15/2012 10:41, Greg KH wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> There's always mudev if you don't want to run udev, good luck with that.
> >>
> >>
> >> Got a link? We don't have anything matching in the tree, and Google turns
> >> up nothing relevant in the first few pages.
> >
> > Sorry, I think it's called 'mdev' and is part of busybox.
> >
> > greg "no one asked me to adopt a package, amazing" k-h
>
> How about app-editors/bvi?

A whole separate package for a tool that reimplements 'vim -b' mode?
That seems pointless, sorry.

At least find a package that people use :)

greg k-h


michael at orlitzky

Mar 16, 2012, 10:00 AM

Post #103 of 108 (292 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On 03/16/12 11:18, Greg KH wrote:
>
> At least find a package that people use :)
>

www-client/httrack?


ryao at cs

Mar 16, 2012, 3:41 PM

Post #104 of 108 (293 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

Take your pick:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/maintainer-needed.xml

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Greg KH <gregkh [at] gentoo> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:01:19PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote:
>> On 03/15/12 22:43, Greg KH wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:47:12PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
>> >> On 03/15/2012 10:41, Greg KH wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> There's always mudev if you don't want to run udev, good luck with that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Got a link?  We don't have anything matching in the tree, and Google turns
>> >> up nothing relevant in the first few pages.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I think it's called 'mdev' and is part of busybox.
>> >
>> > greg "no one asked me to adopt a package, amazing" k-h
>>
>> How about app-editors/bvi?
>
> A whole separate package for a tool that reimplements 'vim -b' mode?
> That seems pointless, sorry.
>
> At least find a package that people use :)
>
> greg k-h


zmedico at gentoo

Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM

Post #105 of 108 (293 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On 03/14/2012 06:49 PM, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 03/14/12 21:06, Zac Medico wrote:
>> On 03/14/2012 05:58 PM, Richard Yao wrote:
>>> On 03/14/12 20:36, David Leverton wrote:
>>>> On 14 March 2012 23:47, Zac Medico <zmedico [at] gentoo> wrote:
>>>>> It's more about what we're _not_ doing that what we're doing.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly something must have changed in udev 181 to make
>>>> /usr-without-initramfs not work anymore, and someone must have done
>>>> something to make that change happen, unless udev has aquired the
>>>> ability to evolve by itself.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest that you file a bug report regarding this for the Gentoo udev
>>> maintainer.
>>
>> RESOLVED:UPSTREAM
>
> Lets permit the udev maintainer to do that. :)

Bug 398049 can serve well enough. The maintainer said, "This should no
longer be an issue once we have everyone with separate /usr using an
initramfs." [1]

[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398049#c2
--
Thanks,
Zac


zmedico at gentoo

Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM

Post #106 of 108 (295 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On 03/14/2012 06:49 PM, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 03/14/12 21:06, Zac Medico wrote:
>> On 03/14/2012 05:58 PM, Richard Yao wrote:
>>> On 03/14/12 20:36, David Leverton wrote:
>>>> On 14 March 2012 23:47, Zac Medico <zmedico [at] gentoo> wrote:
>>>>> It's more about what we're _not_ doing that what we're doing.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly something must have changed in udev 181 to make
>>>> /usr-without-initramfs not work anymore, and someone must have done
>>>> something to make that change happen, unless udev has aquired the
>>>> ability to evolve by itself.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest that you file a bug report regarding this for the Gentoo udev
>>> maintainer.
>>
>> RESOLVED:UPSTREAM
>
> Lets permit the udev maintainer to do that. :)

Bug 398049 can serve well enough. The maintainer said, "This should no
longer be an issue once we have everyone with separate /usr using an
initramfs." [1]

[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398049#c2
--
Thanks,
Zac


waltdnes at waltdnes

Mar 17, 2012, 12:12 AM

Post #107 of 108 (295 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote

> Busybox is installed as part of the system profile on amd64. You can
> install mdev by doing this:
>
> ln -s /bin/busybox /sbin/mdev

The official method is to build busybox with the "mdev" USE flag. That
is the only way that virtual/dev-manager recognizes it, and doesn't try
to pull in udev, instead. From the ebuild...

RDEPEND="|| (
sys-fs/udev
sys-apps/busybox[mdev]
sys-fs/devfsd
sys-fs/static-dev
sys-freebsd/freebsd-sbin
)"


> There is documentation in the busybox GIT for how to use it:
>
> http://git.busybox.net/busybox/plain/docs/mdev.txt

TOOT!!! (blowing my own horn). See http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ for
instructions on replacing udev with mdev for simple Gentoo systems.
Hopefully more info will start arriving, allowing more complex systems
to work with mdev.

--
Walter Dnes <waltdnes [at] waltdnes>


waltdnes at waltdnes

Mar 18, 2012, 10:21 PM

Post #108 of 108 (291 views)
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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 03:12:11AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote

> TOOT!!! (blowing my own horn). See http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ for
> instructions on replacing udev with mdev for simple Gentoo systems.
> Hopefully more info will start arriving, allowing more complex systems
> to work with mdev.

With more people getting interested, the project has been moved to
wiki format https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev to allow more people to
contribute.

--
Walter Dnes <waltdnes [at] waltdnes>

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