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kumba at gentoo

Mar 15, 2012, 7:01 AM


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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]
On 03/14/2012 19:44, Greg KH wrote:

>
> Oh, and somehow "consensus" will work? No, sorry, it will not.


If compelling arguments were used, yes, you can sometimes trigger people to
change their minds and arrive at a consensus. But outright dismissing them
as if that will make them disappear is what won't work.


> So it's not a "we know best", it's a "it will not properly work
> otherwise."


Udev is the only package I have installed in my VM setup that fails at boot
with a separate /usr and no initramfs. And that isn't even a fatal failure,
but it is a failure none the less, at least by virtue of OpenRC flagging the
fact that udev returned an error code. Everything else works fine.

But it's not udev that is broke, is it? It's my setup, right? I've been
wrong for the last 10 years? Why was this ever referenced then in the
Security Handbook? See Code Listing 1.1:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/security/security-handbook.xml?part=1&chap=4


> It is strange to watch people somehow think that if they complain
> enough, or feel strongly enough, something is going to change here to
> make this basic fact go away.


It's human nature to complain or otherwise voice dissent, especially when
someone or something comes along and declares that what used to JustWork(TM)
now NoLongerWorks(TM).

Does that mean my dissent matters? Probably not. But that's not going to
stop me from trying.

--
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba [at] gentoo
4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28

"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And
our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

--Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic
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Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 6:22 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kentfredric at gmail Mar 12, 2012, 6:37 PM
        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:07 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 7:16 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] axs at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 7:33 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 8:14 PM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] robbat2 at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 8:53 PM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] axs at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 6:36 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] lu_zero at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 10:17 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 5:20 PM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] rich0 at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 5:52 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] jer at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 3:31 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] jamesbroadhead at gmail Mar 13, 2012, 4:54 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] mschiff at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 7:41 AM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] jamesbroadhead at gmail Mar 13, 2012, 4:12 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] cloos at jhcloos Mar 14, 2012, 5:00 AM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:52 AM
                Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] 1i5t5.duncan at cox Mar 14, 2012, 11:48 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kentfredric at gmail Mar 14, 2012, 1:10 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 5:16 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] 1i5t5.duncan at cox Mar 14, 2012, 1:39 AM
            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 5:40 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 7:41 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! purslow at ca Mar 14, 2012, 7:51 AM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 8:04 AM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 8:08 AM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 8:22 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 8:59 AM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 2:00 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! quantumsummers at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 9:28 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! mk at dee Mar 14, 2012, 10:11 AM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! waltdnes at waltdnes Mar 14, 2012, 1:12 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 4:04 AM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:30 AM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:41 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:47 PM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:43 PM
                                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 15, 2012, 8:01 PM
                                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 16, 2012, 8:18 AM
                                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! michael at orlitzky Mar 16, 2012, 10:00 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:29 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! quantumsummers at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:58 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:59 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 11:04 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! mk at dee Mar 14, 2012, 11:36 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 11:56 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! michael at orlitzky Mar 14, 2012, 12:14 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 12:26 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 12:57 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 1:03 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 1:55 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 2:05 PM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 9:10 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:47 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:36 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! jer at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 12:30 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 2:04 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 3:14 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 3:39 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 3:49 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 4:27 PM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 4:37 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 4:51 PM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 6:07 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! lu_zero at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:18 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! m.gysel at gmail Mar 15, 2012, 1:13 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:40 AM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 15, 2012, 1:44 PM
                                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! waltdnes at waltdnes Mar 17, 2012, 12:12 AM
                                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! waltdnes at waltdnes Mar 18, 2012, 10:21 PM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:34 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 15, 2012, 1:45 PM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! mk at dee Mar 15, 2012, 2:49 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 3:51 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 4:21 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:16 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 4:44 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 4:58 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 5:07 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 5:29 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:01 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 4:47 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 5:36 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 5:45 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 5:49 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:27 AM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 8:29 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 5:58 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 6:06 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 6:49 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 6:37 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 6:44 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! lu_zero at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:04 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! lu_zero at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:24 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! sionescu at cddr Mar 15, 2012, 4:20 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:23 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:09 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:51 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:05 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:22 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:42 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 12:04 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! caneko at gmail Mar 15, 2012, 6:17 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! caneko at gmail Mar 15, 2012, 6:18 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 16, 2012, 3:41 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] 1i5t5.duncan at cox Mar 14, 2012, 11:33 PM

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