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kumba at gentoo

Mar 15, 2012, 5:40 AM

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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]

On 03/14/2012 19:37, Greg KH wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:27:07PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote:
>>>> 3. Why not let the users choose where these directories go and support
>>>> both locations?
>>>
>>> Because a plethera of options is a sure way to make sure that half of
>>> them don't work over the long run.
>>>
>>> We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :)
>>
>> Gentoo provides far more options than Debian does, so this seems
>> somewhat contradictory to me.
>
> Not really, I don't think we support systems without udev anymore,
> right? And we get away with a lot of these different "options" at
> compile time, which makes it easier than what Debian has to handle, so
> perhaps it's not a fair comparison.

I already looked in the tree and nothing really stands out as a suitable
replacement for /dev management. mdev might, but it's part of busybox and
not standalone as far as I know (at least, we don't have an independent
package for it).

For my simplistic setups, I apparently only need udev just to setup the
networking interfaces, because Linux has never created /dev/lo or /dev/ethX
(nor does it even support them). Thus, CONFIG_DEVTMPFS can't set those up
at all. If I could find a small utility that was like udev and which took
care of that one little element, I think I'd be able to boot my systems up
just fine.

Is it futureproof? Not really. I imagine plugging USB mass storage devices
into a udevless system might be problematic. Food for thought.

--
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba [at] gentoo
4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28

"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And
our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

--Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

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Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kumba at gentoo	Mar 12, 2012, 6:22 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kentfredric at gmail	Mar 12, 2012, 6:37 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 6:07 AM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kumba at gentoo	Mar 12, 2012, 7:16 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	axs at gentoo	Mar 12, 2012, 7:33 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kumba at gentoo	Mar 12, 2012, 8:14 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	robbat2 at gentoo	Mar 12, 2012, 8:53 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	axs at gentoo	Mar 13, 2012, 6:36 AM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	lu_zero at gentoo	Mar 12, 2012, 10:17 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kumba at gentoo	Mar 13, 2012, 5:20 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	rich0 at gentoo	Mar 13, 2012, 5:52 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	jer at gentoo	Mar 13, 2012, 3:31 AM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	jamesbroadhead at gmail	Mar 13, 2012, 4:54 AM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	mschiff at gentoo	Mar 13, 2012, 7:41 AM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	jamesbroadhead at gmail	Mar 13, 2012, 4:12 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	cloos at jhcloos	Mar 14, 2012, 5:00 AM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 10:52 AM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	1i5t5.duncan at cox	Mar 14, 2012, 11:48 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kentfredric at gmail	Mar 14, 2012, 1:10 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	kumba at gentoo	Mar 13, 2012, 5:16 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	1i5t5.duncan at cox	Mar 14, 2012, 1:39 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 5:40 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 7:41 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	purslow at ca	Mar 14, 2012, 7:51 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 8:04 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 8:08 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 8:22 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 8:59 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 2:00 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	quantumsummers at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 9:28 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	mk at dee	Mar 14, 2012, 10:11 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	waltdnes at waltdnes	Mar 14, 2012, 1:12 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 4:04 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	rich0 at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:30 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 7:41 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:47 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 7:43 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 15, 2012, 8:01 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 16, 2012, 8:18 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	michael at orlitzky	Mar 16, 2012, 10:00 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 10:29 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	quantumsummers at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 10:58 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	rich0 at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 10:59 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 11:04 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	mk at dee	Mar 14, 2012, 11:36 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 11:56 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	michael at orlitzky	Mar 14, 2012, 12:14 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 12:26 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	levertond at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 12:57 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 1:03 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 1:55 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 2:05 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 9:10 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:47 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 6:36 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	jer at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 12:30 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 2:04 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	levertond at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 3:14 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 3:39 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 3:49 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 4:27 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 4:37 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 4:51 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	rich0 at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 6:07 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	lu_zero at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 10:18 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	m.gysel at gmail	Mar 15, 2012, 1:13 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:40 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 15, 2012, 1:44 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	waltdnes at waltdnes	Mar 17, 2012, 12:12 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	waltdnes at waltdnes	Mar 18, 2012, 10:21 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:34 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 15, 2012, 1:45 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	mk at dee	Mar 15, 2012, 2:49 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 3:51 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	levertond at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 4:21 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:16 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 4:44 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 4:58 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 5:07 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	levertond at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 5:29 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 7:01 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 4:47 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	levertond at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 5:36 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 5:45 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	levertond at googlemail	Mar 14, 2012, 5:49 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:27 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 8:29 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 5:58 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 6:06 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 6:49 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	zmedico at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 6:37 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 14, 2012, 6:44 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	lu_zero at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 10:04 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	lu_zero at gentoo	Mar 14, 2012, 10:24 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	sionescu at cddr	Mar 15, 2012, 4:20 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:23 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:09 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 5:51 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 6:05 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	kumba at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 6:22 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	gregkh at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 7:42 AM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	rich0 at gentoo	Mar 15, 2012, 12:04 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	caneko at gmail	Mar 15, 2012, 6:17 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	caneko at gmail	Mar 15, 2012, 6:18 PM
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!	ryao at cs	Mar 16, 2012, 3:41 PM
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]	1i5t5.duncan at cox	Mar 14, 2012, 11:33 PM

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