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levertond at googlemail

Mar 14, 2012, 12:57 PM


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Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [In reply to]
On 14 March 2012 18:56, Zac Medico <zmedico [at] gentoo> wrote:
> Whatever the arguments may be, the whole discussion boils down to the
> fact that the only people who seem to have a "problem" are those that
> have a separate /usr partition and simultaneously refuse to use an
> initramfs.

I wonder if it might help to go through the benefits of having a
separate /usr, and see whether they still work when /usr is mounted by
initramfs. Hopefully that would either demonstrate that the initramfs
approach is fine, or reveal a concrete problem with it so we can start
talking about solutions.

(For the record, I don't have a separate /usr, but mainly because when
I've been setting up machines I've been too lazy to either 1) figure
out how much space to allocate to each partition, or 2) learn how to
use lvm so I don't have to worry so much about getting it right the
first time. I'd prefer for the option to stay available, but not as
strongly as some people do.)

To start us off, the benefit that I'm mainly interested in (for
potential future use, as stated above), and I realise this is probably
pretty far down the list overall, is that OpenRC can run fsck at
shutdown instead of boot for non-/ filesystems, so as long as / is
small there won't be huge boot delays. I imagine using initramfs
wouldn't affect this, as by the time the system's shutting down it
shouldn't matter how /usr got mounted originally. It might be
affected if fsck etc got moved to /usr as has been mentioned, but if
that happened OpenRC would probably have to be modified to remount it
readonly at shutdown rather than unmount it, and presumably that would
allow the fsck to occur.

Would anyone else like to continue with their own favourite
separate-/usr reason?

Subject User Time
Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 6:22 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kentfredric at gmail Mar 12, 2012, 6:37 PM
        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:07 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 7:16 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] axs at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 7:33 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 8:14 PM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] robbat2 at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 8:53 PM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] axs at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 6:36 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] lu_zero at gentoo Mar 12, 2012, 10:17 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 5:20 PM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] rich0 at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 5:52 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] jer at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 3:31 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] jamesbroadhead at gmail Mar 13, 2012, 4:54 AM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] mschiff at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 7:41 AM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] jamesbroadhead at gmail Mar 13, 2012, 4:12 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] cloos at jhcloos Mar 14, 2012, 5:00 AM
            Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:52 AM
                Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] 1i5t5.duncan at cox Mar 14, 2012, 11:48 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kentfredric at gmail Mar 14, 2012, 1:10 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] kumba at gentoo Mar 13, 2012, 5:16 PM
        Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] 1i5t5.duncan at cox Mar 14, 2012, 1:39 AM
            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 5:40 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 7:41 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! purslow at ca Mar 14, 2012, 7:51 AM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 8:04 AM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 8:08 AM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 8:22 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 8:59 AM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 2:00 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! quantumsummers at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 9:28 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! mk at dee Mar 14, 2012, 10:11 AM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! waltdnes at waltdnes Mar 14, 2012, 1:12 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 4:04 AM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:30 AM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:41 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:47 PM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:43 PM
                                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 15, 2012, 8:01 PM
                                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 16, 2012, 8:18 AM
                                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! michael at orlitzky Mar 16, 2012, 10:00 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:29 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! quantumsummers at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:58 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:59 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ciaran.mccreesh at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 11:04 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! mk at dee Mar 14, 2012, 11:36 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 11:56 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! michael at orlitzky Mar 14, 2012, 12:14 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 12:26 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 12:57 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 1:03 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 1:55 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 2:05 PM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 9:10 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:47 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:36 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! jer at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 12:30 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 2:04 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 3:14 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 3:39 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 3:49 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 4:27 PM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 4:37 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 4:51 PM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 6:07 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! lu_zero at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:18 PM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! m.gysel at gmail Mar 15, 2012, 1:13 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:40 AM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 15, 2012, 1:44 PM
                                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! waltdnes at waltdnes Mar 17, 2012, 12:12 AM
                                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! waltdnes at waltdnes Mar 18, 2012, 10:21 PM
                                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:34 AM
                                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 15, 2012, 1:45 PM
                                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! mk at dee Mar 15, 2012, 2:49 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 3:51 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 4:21 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:16 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 4:44 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 4:58 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 5:07 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 5:29 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:01 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 4:47 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 5:36 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 5:45 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! levertond at googlemail Mar 14, 2012, 5:49 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:27 AM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 8:29 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 5:58 PM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 6:06 PM
                        Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 6:49 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM
                            Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 16, 2012, 4:29 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! zmedico at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 6:37 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 14, 2012, 6:44 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! lu_zero at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:04 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! lu_zero at gentoo Mar 14, 2012, 10:24 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! sionescu at cddr Mar 15, 2012, 4:20 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:23 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:09 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 5:51 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:05 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! kumba at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 6:22 AM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! gregkh at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 7:42 AM
                    Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! rich0 at gentoo Mar 15, 2012, 12:04 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! caneko at gmail Mar 15, 2012, 6:17 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! caneko at gmail Mar 15, 2012, 6:18 PM
                Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! ryao at cs Mar 16, 2012, 3:41 PM
    Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] 1i5t5.duncan at cox Mar 14, 2012, 11:33 PM

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