1i5t5.duncan at cox
Oct 28, 2012, 7:26 PM
Post #4 of 8
Philip Webb posted on Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:55:33 -0400 as excerpted:
> I sent in a msg last week re failure of kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 to compile.
> Sadly, no-one has responded.
> No complaint to anyone, but is the Kde-Sunset overlay still supported ?
> If no-one remains interested in it, I can drop it & move on ;
> if someone who knows re it is still around, can they advise ?
> Without Kdelibs KDE is unusable.
It would be nice if a gentoo dev would take up trinity and get it in the
tree, or at least in kde sunset. But I've seen nary a hint of that.
I won't try to get anyone off of kde-sunset as I respect the reasons they
are still on it. However, if someone is ready to give up on it and move
on, I do know a couple of alternatives I can suggest, and offer my help
as I can.
Here, I'm running kde4, but with USE=-semantic-desktop, and a bunch of
other related flags (virtuoso, rasqual, redland...) turned off. It does
mean avoiding anything kdepim related, including kmail, since that brings
in akonadi, which ultimately forces semantic-desktop back on, but there
are alternatives to kmail. Here, I'm running (gtk-based) claws-mail for
both mail and feeds (replacing akregator). For those running kde3's
amorok, clemintine is the alternative, tho I switched to something much
different, mpd with various frontends, here. Even with multiple
frontends, mpd's still way lighter on resources. But it doesn't have the
nice database setup of amarok/clemintine. I didn't need or use that
anyway, so I was fine with mpd, but many will need it and for them
clemintine is the better choice.
I had switched to kde4 long before I turned off semantic-desktop, etc, so
I can't give a direct comparison of kde3 to kde4 without semantic-
desktop. What I CAN say, however, is that turning off semantic-desktop
at build-time made kde4 enough faster it was like an MS platform person
discovering how many resources the malware had been taking.
Additionally, while I had stated that kde4 finally matured enough to
replace kde 3.5.10 with 4.5.4+, and that 4.5 was what really /should/
have been numbered 4.0, only after I turned off semantic desktop
(basically, at my 4.6 to 4.7 upgrade), was I ready to say that kde4 had
now not only /matched/ kde3 for me (that was with 4.5), but with semantic-
desktop turned off, it now /exceeded/ kde 3.5.10 for me.
It should thus be obvious that I'm quite happy with (now) kde 4.9, AS
LONG AS USE=-semantic-desktop. I'd be interested in someone that has
stayed with kde3 via kde-sunset, now trying kde4, with semantic-desktop
turned off, to see what their real opinion is. And, I can help with it,
providing hints, etc, if/when needed. Either here or on the kde-linux or
The other alternative I've seen reviewed is the qt4 based razorqt
desktop. This would most obviously and directly replace the plasma-
desktop component of kde4, altho the reviews I've seen have been on using
razorqt on its own. On its own, it looks to be a qt-based desktop
comparable to one of the light gtk-based desktops such as lxde or xfce.
IMO, running a razorqt desktop with individual kde4 apps should be a good
mix. Were I doing it I'd probably try for what amounted to a kde4
desktop with plasma-desktop replaced with razorqt, as kde4 is
componentized enough that should work, in theory anyway. However, I've
not seen any reviews of anyone trying to pull that off, nor have I
actually tried it myself as I'm actually quite happy with plasma-desktop
now that it has had some time to mature.
Again, I'd be quite interested in seeing someone now on kde-sunset try
razorqt, presumably with a few individual kde4 apps. Again, I'd help
them where I could, but obviously since I've not tried razorqt myself,
I'd be limited to helping more on the kde4 side.
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
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