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ladislav.laska at gmail

Sep 21, 2010, 2:02 AM

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[kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla?

Hello again,

as we are discussing trinity in our overlay, it is clear we will need
some infrastructure. What am I thinking

Website & documentation - possibly for new users, some users may
choose to use trinity insted of kde4/gnome/*, and they will seek some
documentation, howtos. This could be possibly wiki.
Bugzilla - users should be able to report bugs, which may or may not
be upstream bugs. It would be easier if we could track them in better
way than remembergin status for each one of them
Mailing list - Gentoo-desktop is great, but I'm afraid that we would
create too much noise on official mailing list.

These are only suggestions, but I think they are good ones. If we
decide to implement them, I can host (and possibly maintain) at least
wiki & bugzilla. I don't have a mail server running, but mailing list
should not be a problem too. However, I don't have experience in
maintaining bugzillas and mailing lists, so some more experienced
developer may be able to be more efficient.

Regards Ladislav Laska
S pozdravem Ladislav Laska
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lists at hasnoname

Sep 21, 2010, 2:17 AM

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Re: [kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla? [In reply to]

Hi!

I think it is a very good idea to create some 'official'
documentation/website. It may even attract some more users that don't even
know that kde3 still exists.

As far as hosting/maintaining goes.. i'd like to offer my services also.
Maybe we can ask for a gentoo-trinity list?
Otherwise... i run my own mailserver i'd be habby to create a mailinglist
via mailman or listserv. Maintaining those shouldn't be a problem, as it
mostly is about archives or keeping spam off the list...

As wiki is almost a standard for documentation i think we should use it,
it it is easily updateable (real documentation like the gentoo-handbooks
sometimes take weeks to get updated).

Bugzilla.. no real idea, but i guess once set up, we need some mods to
wrangle/sort bugs accordingly. Do we use bugzilla oder some alternative
software?

I like seeing trinity to progress more and more;)

Ladislav Laska wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> as we are discussing trinity in our overlay, it is clear we will need
> some infrastructure. What am I thinking
>
> Website & documentation - possibly for new users, some users may
> choose to use trinity insted of kde4/gnome/*, and they will seek some
> documentation, howtos. This could be possibly wiki.
> Bugzilla - users should be able to report bugs, which may or may not
> be upstream bugs. It would be easier if we could track them in better
> way than remembergin status for each one of them
> Mailing list - Gentoo-desktop is great, but I'm afraid that we would
> create too much noise on official mailing list.
>
> These are only suggestions, but I think they are good ones. If we
> decide to implement them, I can host (and possibly maintain) at least
> wiki & bugzilla. I don't have a mail server running, but mailing list
> should not be a problem too. However, I don't have experience in
> maintaining bugzillas and mailing lists, so some more experienced
> developer may be able to be more efficient.
>
> Regards Ladislav Laska
> S pozdravem Ladislav Laska
> ---
> xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska [at] jabber
>
>

greetings,
Roman
--

jmbsvicetto at gentoo

Sep 21, 2010, 2:19 AM

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Re: [kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla? [In reply to]

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On 21-09-2010 09:02, Ladislav Laska wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> as we are discussing trinity in our overlay, it is clear we will need
> some infrastructure. What am I thinking

If trinity has any chance of becoming an alternative DE with upstream
support, new development and the security holes are fixed, it could
become a new option for Gentoo and thus use our official infrastructure.
Until it reaches a point it can be put back in the tree (we'll have to
find maintainers for it), and given it has become a fork (do they want
to develop in a completely new direction or are they planning to look /
follow / track kde4?), the best hosting solution is probably a new
overlay for it.
You can use Gentoo bugzilla to track issues with the overlay and you can
keep using this ML.
It would probably help quite a bit if you could either find a current
Gentoo developer interested in trinity or if some of you would apply to
become Gentoo developers[1].

> Website & documentation - possibly for new users, some users may
> choose to use trinity insted of kde4/gnome/*, and they will seek some
> documentation, howtos. This could be possibly wiki.
> Bugzilla - users should be able to report bugs, which may or may not
> be upstream bugs. It would be easier if we could track them in better
> way than remembergin status for each one of them
> Mailing list - Gentoo-desktop is great, but I'm afraid that we would
> create too much noise on official mailing list.
>
> These are only suggestions, but I think they are good ones. If we
> decide to implement them, I can host (and possibly maintain) at least
> wiki & bugzilla. I don't have a mail server running, but mailing list
> should not be a problem too. However, I don't have experience in
> maintaining bugzillas and mailing lists, so some more experienced
> developer may be able to be more efficient.
>
> Regards Ladislav Laska
> S pozdravem Ladislav Laska
> ---
> xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska [at] jabber

[1] -
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/default-recruiters-email.txt

- --
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng
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ladislav.laska at gmail

Sep 21, 2010, 2:28 AM

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Re: [kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla? [In reply to]

I have some update on this:

Scarabeus offered us a mailing list, so that is solved.

He also noted, that there is work in progress, that will result in
each project having its own redmine (bugzilla AND wiki replacement).
That would probably be the best way to go (well, not having to
maintain infrastructure is good thing if you have other work to do...)

Regards Ladislav Laska
S pozdravem Ladislav Laska
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Ladislav Laska
<ladislav.laska [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> as we are discussing trinity in our overlay, it is clear we will need
> some infrastructure. What am I thinking
>
> Website & documentation - possibly for new users, some users may
> choose to use trinity insted of kde4/gnome/*, and they will seek some
> documentation, howtos. This could be possibly wiki.
> Bugzilla - users should be able to report bugs, which may or may not
> be upstream bugs. It would be easier if we could track them in better
> way than remembergin status for each one of them
> Mailing list - Gentoo-desktop is great, but I'm afraid that we would
> create too much noise on official mailing list.
>
> These are only suggestions, but I think they are good ones. If we
> decide to implement them, I can host (and possibly maintain) at least
> wiki & bugzilla. I don't have a mail server running, but mailing list
> should not be a problem too. However, I don't have experience in
> maintaining bugzillas and mailing lists, so some more experienced
> developer may be able to be more efficient.
>
> Regards Ladislav Laska
> S pozdravem Ladislav Laska
> ---
> xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska [at] jabber
>

tampakrap at gentoo

Sep 21, 2010, 2:33 AM

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Re: [kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla? [In reply to]

On Tuesday 21 September 2010 12:19:42 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> On 21-09-2010 09:02, Ladislav Laska wrote:
> > Hello again,
> >
> > as we are discussing trinity in our overlay, it is clear we will need
> > some infrastructure. What am I thinking
>
> If trinity has any chance of becoming an alternative DE with upstream
> support, new development and the security holes are fixed, it could
> become a new option for Gentoo and thus use our official infrastructure.
> Until it reaches a point it can be put back in the tree (we'll have to
> find maintainers for it), and given it has become a fork (do they want
> to develop in a completely new direction or are they planning to look /
> follow / track kde4?), the best hosting solution is probably a new
> overlay for it.
> You can use Gentoo bugzilla to track issues with the overlay and you can
> keep using this ML.
> It would probably help quite a bit if you could either find a current
> Gentoo developer interested in trinity or if some of you would apply to
> become Gentoo developers[1].
>
> [1] -
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/default-recruiters-email.tx
> t

+1 to what Jorge said, and moreover:
- As a Gentoo Developer, I'd be happy to mentor
- As a KDE Team member and responsible for the kde4-guide doc, I can help
with docs (put refferences to TDE and help you write a new guide)
- As an overlays member, a new trinity/tde overlay is acceptable, send a mail
to overlays [at] g to ask for one (name/description/owner/committers)
- As a fdo project member, no need to create a new ml or host your own. This
is a low activity ml, i don't find any reason to create another low activity
one for the same target group. Any KDE4 user may want to have a look to TDE
and file bugs / questions about it.
--
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt, Planet, Overlays

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ladislav.laska at gmail

Sep 21, 2010, 4:56 AM

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Re: [kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla? [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
<jmbsvicetto [at] gentoo> wrote:
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> On 21-09-2010 09:02, Ladislav Laska wrote:
>> Hello again,
>>
>> as we are discussing trinity in our overlay, it is clear we will need
>> some infrastructure. What am I thinking
>
> If trinity has any chance of becoming an alternative DE with upstream
> support, new development and the security holes are fixed, it could
> become a new option for Gentoo and thus use our official infrastructure.

Seems that way. Currently there is a lot of work in progress. They are
mostly bugfixes, but also some new features (haven't seen the whole
list)

> Until it reaches a point it can be put back in the tree (we'll have to
> find maintainers for it), and given it has become a fork (do they want
> to develop in a completely new direction or are they planning to look /
> follow / track kde4?), the best hosting solution is probably a new
> overlay for it.

They want to follow kde3 tracks. I guess that qualifies for "a new direction".

Do you think new overlay is better way to go? I was thinking, that
some of our ebuilds would have to be duplicated
(qt3 is one of them), but I can see there are benefits from new overlay...

> You can use Gentoo bugzilla to track issues with the overlay and you can
> keep using this ML.

As I recall, the reason we're not using bugzilla is, that we don't
have full access to it and without it it's kinda crude.

> It would probably help quite a bit if you could either find a current
> Gentoo developer interested in trinity or if some of you would apply to
> become Gentoo developers[1].

That would probably solve our bugzilla issue.

>
>> Website & documentation - possibly for new users, some users may
>> choose to use trinity insted of kde4/gnome/*, and they will seek some
>> documentation, howtos. This could be possibly wiki.
>> Bugzilla - users should be able to report bugs, which may or may not
>> be upstream bugs. It would be easier if we could track them in better
>> way than remembergin status for each one of them
>> Mailing list - Gentoo-desktop is great, but I'm afraid that we would
>> create too much noise on official mailing list.
>>
>> These are only suggestions, but I think they are good ones. If we
>> decide to implement them, I can host (and possibly maintain) at least
>> wiki & bugzilla. I don't have a mail server running, but mailing list
>> should not be a problem too. However, I don't have experience in
>> maintaining bugzillas and mailing lists, so some more experienced
>> developer may be able to be more efficient.
>>
>> Regards Ladislav Laska
>> S pozdravem Ladislav Laska
>> ---
>> xmpp/jabber: ladislav.laska [at] jabber
>
> [1] -
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/default-recruiters-email.txt
>
> - --
> Regards,
>
> Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
> Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng
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ladislav.laska at gmail

Sep 21, 2010, 5:00 AM

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Re: [kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla? [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Theo Chatzimichos
<tampakrap [at] gentoo> wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 September 2010 12:19:42 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
>> On 21-09-2010 09:02, Ladislav Laska wrote:
>> > Hello again,
>> >
>> > as we are discussing trinity in our overlay, it is clear we will need
>> > some infrastructure. What am I thinking
>>
>> If trinity has any chance of becoming an alternative DE with upstream
>> support, new development and the security holes are fixed, it could
>> become a new option for Gentoo and thus use our official infrastructure.
>> Until it reaches a point it can be put back in the tree (we'll have to
>> find maintainers for it), and given it has become a fork (do they want
>> to develop in a completely new direction or are they planning to look /
>> follow / track kde4?), the best hosting solution is probably a new
>> overlay for it.
>> You can use Gentoo bugzilla to track issues with the overlay and you can
>> keep using this ML.
>> It would probably help quite a bit if you could either find a current
>> Gentoo developer interested in trinity or if some of you would apply to
>> become Gentoo developers[1].
>>
>> [1] -
>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/default-recruiters-email.tx
>> t
>
> +1 to what Jorge said, and moreover:
> - As a Gentoo Developer, I'd be happy to mentor
> - As a KDE Team member and responsible for the kde4-guide doc, I can help
> with docs (put refferences to TDE and help you write a new guide)

Great! I was thinking some time of becoming gentoo dev, but I never
got to something I'd start doing and the quizes... Well, maybe I will
now.

> - As an overlays member, a new trinity/tde overlay is acceptable, send a mail
> to overlays [at] g to ask for one (name/description/owner/committers)

And we will.

> - As a fdo project member, no need to create a new ml or host your own. This
> is a low activity ml, i don't find any reason to create another low activity
> one for the same target group. Any KDE4 user may want to have a look to TDE
> and file bugs / questions about it.

Ok, we will stick here then.

> --
> Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
> Gentoo KDE/Qt, Planet, Overlays
>

tampakrap at gentoo

Sep 21, 2010, 5:30 AM

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Re: [kde-sunset] Website, documentation, bugzilla? [In reply to]

On Tuesday 21 September 2010 15:00:48 Ladislav Laska wrote:
> Great! I was thinking some time of becoming gentoo dev, but I never
> got to something I'd start doing and the quizes... Well, maybe I will
> now.

Ping me on IRC (tampakrap on #gentoo-kde or PM directly) and not only you,
anyone interested

And an answer to the "project" questions you are asking to the other thread
(please let's stick here):

TDE could be an official fdo subproject, where I could start it to proxy you (I
am not interested in TDE, just to be clear) until someone of you becomes a
developer, and tde is mature enough to get to the tree.

About the new overlay issue, I can handle the PR POV (blog / ml / kde doc).
Let kde-sunset remain as an overlay with dead kde ebuilds.

You could call a meeting in IRC to discuss all those issues.
--
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt, Planet, Overlays

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