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gluttony at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 12:23 AM

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What Christianity means to me

I was recently having an ethics debate where someone said that Christianity
was "just what the greeks taught, but dumbed down". I heartily disagreed,
and I wanted to put my reasons to text while I still remembered them.

Christianity is the ethics of the great Greek classics, for sure. It owes
almost all its ethical lineage to those boys in limbo. There's something
deeper than that. Jesus isn't just about ethics. He's about passion, love,
and most of all, he's about being a time-traveling gangster.

I grew up poor. I know what it is like to go without food, or wear the same
pair of shoes until they smell and have holes in them. When you're poor, you
make poor friends. Let's say you and I grew up in the same trailer park. We
had this friend named Chris we met through some BBS. Chris always hung out
with the shadiest people. He knew every hooker, hustler and scammer in the
tri-state area. Despite that, Chris was the most loving, most real human
being we'd ever met. He'd sometimes feed us 10 strips of acid and take us
out to the woods to set off some explosives. He'd have our backs when the
rich kids tried to beat us up. When we were hungry, he would give us food.

Most importantly, Chris gave us a sense of justice. "Man, those fuckin'
Jews, with their media and their Federal Reserve-- they have all the money
and what do they do with it? Run this country into the ground. Try to
program every man to be a slave to behaviorism and every daughter that isn't
theirs be a whore. Things ain't right."

Chris would also give us hope. "This fuckin shithole-- this fuckin' park.
You're better than that. You're a good German kid. There's kings in your
lineage. You deserve better. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. Your parents
are assholes, your teachers are assholes, and you know what? You're an
asshole too. But you deserve better. All of you." Chris made us think there
was something important in our lives beyond the shitty trailer and the
shitty family and the mac and cheese six nights a week.

One day, Chris takes too much acid. Freaks out. Starts going into banks,
knocking shit over. "You fucking morons! You're agents of the subjugation
and slavery of your neighbors! Don't you fuckin' see! Wake the fuck up, stop
fucking ruining lives!" He breaks into the vault, burns all the money. Not
interested in a cent of it.

Chris goes to prison. After he's gone, we all realize what a difference he
made in our lives. Without Chris, the walls of our trailers seem really
small. We spend our days somber and sad. Then one day, someone says, "let's
throw a party". We all eat a little acid, and tell stories about Chris. We'd
laugh, we'd remember when our lives were more complete. And through
repeating his words about justice, truth, love and hope, we found these in
ourselves.

And we'd wait. We'd count the days. Until Chris got out of jail.

And that, my friends, is the basis of all Christianity.


anonymouspimp at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 5:22 AM

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> And that, my friends, is the basis of all Christianity.

No it isn't.

"Christianity is... based on the teachings of Jesus Christ" [0]


[0] http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/

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Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

Nov 7, 2008, 8:47 AM

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:22:23 +0200, anonymous pimp said:
> > And that, my friends, is the basis of all Christianity.
>
> No it isn't.
>
> "Christianity is... based on the teachings of Jesus Christ" [0]
>
>
> [0] http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/

FAIL.

You're parroting (and citing a circular definition, at that). Andrew A at least
*groks* what Jesus was trying to tell us.

Among other things, Andrew A notices that Jesus didn't develop his teachings
in an intellectual vacuum - he would have been at very familiar with the
Old Testament, and had at least passing familiarity with the various Greek
philosophers. Even in those areas where Greek teaching was incompatible
with Judeaic teachings, they'd be known in "compare and contrast" form.

As we find in Luke chapter 2:

46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the
teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.

Note that the text implies that at that time, it was not unusual for a
12 year old boy to be at the temple talking to the teachers - what *was*
unusual was the depth of understanding for a 12 year old.


vulcanius at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 9:13 AM

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I'm sorry, I thought this was Full-Disclosure, not metaphysics weekly.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks [at] vt> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:22:23 +0200, anonymous pimp said:
> > > And that, my friends, is the basis of all Christianity.
> >
> > No it isn't.
> >
> > "Christianity is... based on the teachings of Jesus Christ" [0]
> >
> >
> > [0] http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/
>
> FAIL.
>
> You're parroting (and citing a circular definition, at that). Andrew A at
> least
> *groks* what Jesus was trying to tell us.
>
> Among other things, Andrew A notices that Jesus didn't develop his
> teachings
> in an intellectual vacuum - he would have been at very familiar with the
> Old Testament, and had at least passing familiarity with the various Greek
> philosophers. Even in those areas where Greek teaching was incompatible
> with Judeaic teachings, they'd be known in "compare and contrast" form.
>
> As we find in Luke chapter 2:
>
> 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the
> teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
> 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.
>
> Note that the text implies that at that time, it was not unusual for a
> 12 year old boy to be at the temple talking to the teachers - what *was*
> unusual was the depth of understanding for a 12 year old.
>
>
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Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

Nov 7, 2008, 9:22 AM

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:13:45 EST, vulcanius said:
> I'm sorry, I thought this was Full-Disclosure, not metaphysics weekly.

Being able to *understand* what you read (and thus be better able to see
what the implications of something are), and being able to do further research
to figure out if something is bullshit or not, are critical skills for
a security researcher.

Hell, earlier this morning somebody was getting raked over the coals because
10 years of parroting didn't qualify them as a serious security researcher.


vulcanius at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 9:25 AM

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So Jesus Christ has what to do with the full disclosure? I'm sorry but I
think you may have just got full retard on me.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:22 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks [at] vt> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:13:45 EST, vulcanius said:
> > I'm sorry, I thought this was Full-Disclosure, not metaphysics weekly.
>
> Being able to *understand* what you read (and thus be better able to see
> what the implications of something are), and being able to do further
> research
> to figure out if something is bullshit or not, are critical skills for
> a security researcher.
>
> Hell, earlier this morning somebody was getting raked over the coals
> because
> 10 years of parroting didn't qualify them as a serious security researcher.
>
>


Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

Nov 7, 2008, 9:32 AM

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:25:38 EST, vulcanius said:
> So Jesus Christ has what to do with the full disclosure? I'm sorry but I
> think you may have just got full retard on me.

One person *understood* the advisory and what it actually meant, one was merely
parroting a circular definition.

Which one would *you* rather have working for you?


vulcanius at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 9:35 AM

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Neither, because religion has nothing to do with full disclosure.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks [at] vt> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:25:38 EST, vulcanius said:
> > So Jesus Christ has what to do with the full disclosure? I'm sorry but I
> > think you may have just got full retard on me.
>
> One person *understood* the advisory and what it actually meant, one was
> merely
> parroting a circular definition.
>
> Which one would *you* rather have working for you?
>


entropeviable at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 9:37 AM

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You call that an advisory?

So if I said that Buddhism was really all about a friend of mine
called Bud who believed in peacefulness, that would be an advisory?

You must be stoned.

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shyaam at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 9:41 AM

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I guess every junk mail has anything and everything to do with an
non-moderated list where people paste their own shit.

Shyaam


Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

Nov 7, 2008, 9:58 AM

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:35:44 EST, vulcanius said:

> Neither, because religion has nothing to do with full disclosure.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

If you had 2 prospective employees, one of whom could merely quote the
CNET article about next week's patches, and one who actually understood
what that meant in the context of your organization's threat model,
which would you rather have working for you?


vulcanius at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 10:03 AM

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Are you still trying to justify a completely off-topic thread?

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks [at] vt> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:35:44 EST, vulcanius said:
>
> > Neither, because religion has nothing to do with full disclosure.
>
> None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
>
> If you had 2 prospective employees, one of whom could merely quote the
> CNET article about next week's patches, and one who actually understood
> what that meant in the context of your organization's threat model,
> which would you rather have working for you?
>


pauls at utdallas

Nov 7, 2008, 12:52 PM

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--On Friday, November 07, 2008 11:58:58 -0600 Valdis.Kletnieks [at] vt wrote:

>
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:35:44 EST, vulcanius said:
>
>> Neither, because religion has nothing to do with full disclosure.
>
> None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
>
> If you had 2 prospective employees, one of whom could merely quote the
> CNET article about next week's patches, and one who actually understood
> what that meant in the context of your organization's threat model,
> which would you rather have working for you?

The Christian obviously. :-)

--
Paul Schmehl (pauls [at] utdallas)
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


krymson at gmail

Nov 7, 2008, 1:55 PM

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Valdis, if you're not careful, going down this route will lead a certain
spammy/ranty/unwanted someone to have a defense for all his meandering and
fitful email crap he sends daily. :)

To response, however, let me just say there is something to be said about
exercising certain skills in appropriate places so as not to waste
everyone's time and patience. Want an employee who can intelligently dive
into metaphysics/religion/rhetoric? There are better places to look and/or
test.




On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks [at] vt> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:35:44 EST, vulcanius said:
>
> > Neither, because religion has nothing to do with full disclosure.
>
> None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
>
> If you had 2 prospective employees, one of whom could merely quote the
> CNET article about next week's patches, and one who actually understood
> what that meant in the context of your organization's threat model,
> which would you rather have working for you?
>
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vpn.1.fanatic at gmail

Nov 10, 2008, 10:13 PM

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On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Michael Krymson <krymson [at] gmail> wrote:

> Valdis, if you're not careful, going down this route will lead a certain
> spammy/ranty/unwanted someone to have a defense for all his meandering and
> fitful email crap he sends daily. :)
>
> To response, however, let me just say there is something to be said about
> exercising certain skills in appropriate places so as not to waste
> everyone's time and patience. Want an employee who can intelligently dive
> into metaphysics/religion/rhetoric? There are better places to look and/or
> test.
>
>

Intelligence and religion shouldn't be in the same sentence. To even
pretend, yet alone believe, that some pathetic moron has an insight in to
the mindset of a celestial dictator is ridiculous.

Religion may have been a foolish first attempt at science, but the fact that
it still has a place in modern times where science explains so much shows
how subservient people want to be.

--
ciao

JT


xploitable at gmail

Nov 11, 2008, 2:49 AM

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"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

'No God' slogans for city's buses
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm

'No God' campaign raises £140,000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm

All the best,

n3td3v

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infolookup at gmail

Nov 11, 2008, 4:32 AM

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Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that there is a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child your though patters are so distorted!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me


"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

'No God' slogans for city's buses
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm

'No God' campaign raises £140,000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm

All the best,

n3td3v

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akl at experian

Nov 11, 2008, 4:50 AM

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Religion is nothing more than mental crutches for weakminded people

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of infolookup [at] gmail
Sent: 11. november 2008 13:33
To: n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me

Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that there is a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child your though patters are so distorted!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me


"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

'No God' slogans for city's buses
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm

'No God' campaign raises £140,000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm

All the best,

n3td3v

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xploitable at gmail

Nov 11, 2008, 5:11 AM

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I might start believing in religion when im grey and old or have some
terminal illness, apart from that i think its a load of bollocks and a
waste of your own time. At the end of the day, you get buried in the
ground amoungst the ants and the beasties, they enjoy a good lunch for
a day or two, so you do put something back into nature but thats as
far as it goes. There is no after life or guy waiting for you at the
gates to decide if you were a good little boy or not. Im just a white
british cyberpunk blogger so how should i know if there is some
invisible force watching over us? It sounds like a bunch of old
bollocks to me. All the best, n3td3v.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Anders Klixbull <akl [at] experian> wrote:
> Religion is nothing more than mental crutches for weakminded people
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of infolookup [at] gmail
> Sent: 11. november 2008 13:33
> To: n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>
> Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that there is a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child your though patters are so distorted!
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
> To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>
>
> "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
>
> 'No God' slogans for city's buses
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
>
> 'No God' campaign raises £140,000
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
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jdemott at crucialsecurity

Nov 11, 2008, 5:18 AM

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>
>
> Intelligence and religion shouldn't be in the same sentence. To even
> pretend, yet alone believe, that some pathetic moron has an insight in
> to the mindset of a celestial dictator is ridiculous.
>
> Religion may have been a foolish first attempt at science, but the
> fact that it still has a place in modern times where science explains
> so much shows how subservient people want to be.
I couldn't disagree more. Here's one small example of how I feel about
such things:
http://www.bridgewaycommunity.org/podcast/Sermon110908.mp3

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trejrco at gmail

Nov 11, 2008, 6:40 AM

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My views on this issue aside, I am fairly certain this has swerved solidly
into off-topic land.
Perhaps we can have our religious debates elsewhere ... ?



/TJ


>-----Original Message-----
>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-
>bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of Anders Klixbull
>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:51 AM
>To: infolookup [at] gmail; n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>Importance: High
>
>Religion is nothing more than mental crutches for weakminded people
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-
>bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of infolookup [at] gmail
>Sent: 11. november 2008 13:33
>To: n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>
>Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that there is
>a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child your though
>patters are so distorted!
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>
>
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
>To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>
>
>"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
>
>'No God' slogans for city's buses
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
>
>'No God' campaign raises £140,000
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm
>
>All the best,
>
>n3td3v
>
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xploitable at gmail

Nov 11, 2008, 6:57 AM

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Yup, pointless thread that was going no where.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, TJ <trejrco [at] gmail> wrote:
> My views on this issue aside, I am fairly certain this has swerved solidly
> into off-topic land.
> Perhaps we can have our religious debates elsewhere ... ?
>
>
>
> /TJ
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-
>>bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of Anders Klixbull
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:51 AM
>>To: infolookup [at] gmail; n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>Importance: High
>>
>>Religion is nothing more than mental crutches for weakminded people
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-
>>bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of infolookup [at] gmail
>>Sent: 11. november 2008 13:33
>>To: n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>
>>Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that there is
>>a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child your though
>>patters are so distorted!
>>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>
>>
>>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
>>To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>
>>
>>"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
>>
>>'No God' slogans for city's buses
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
>>
>>'No God' campaign raises £140,000
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>n3td3v
>>
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akl at experian

Nov 11, 2008, 7:03 AM

Post #23 of 41 (2855 views)
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Re: What Christianity means to me [In reply to]

But isnt that where you feel most at home brother n3td3v?

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of n3td3v
Sent: 11. november 2008 15:58
To: full-disclosure [at] lists
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me

Yup, pointless thread that was going no where.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, TJ <trejrco [at] gmail> wrote:
> My views on this issue aside, I am fairly certain this has swerved
> solidly into off-topic land.
> Perhaps we can have our religious debates elsewhere ... ?
>
>
>
> /TJ
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists
>>[mailto:full-disclosure- bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
>>Anders Klixbull
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:51 AM
>>To: infolookup [at] gmail; n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>Importance: High
>>
>>Religion is nothing more than mental crutches for weakminded people
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists
>>[mailto:full-disclosure- bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
>>infolookup [at] gmail
>>Sent: 11. november 2008 13:33
>>To: n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>
>>Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that
>>there is a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child
>>your though patters are so distorted!
>>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>
>>
>>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
>>To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>
>>
>>"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
>>
>>'No God' slogans for city's buses
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
>>
>>'No God' campaign raises £140,000
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>n3td3v
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
>>Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
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>
> _______________________________________________
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xploitable at gmail

Nov 11, 2008, 7:17 AM

Post #24 of 41 (2860 views)
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Re: What Christianity means to me [In reply to]

My intentions are usually good when I start a thread about something,
but they are quickly taken down the anti-n3td3v gateway, into all out
flameness about how n3td3v's opinion sucks and how great everyone else
is on the list. n3td3v is a blogger of cyber security, if you don't
like my opinions thats sweet, just don't tell the rest of the list
about it, because then I get the blame for it. I want to be able to
give my opinion without getting a bad reaction, so why can't the
people who don't like me just shut up and get a life on some other
mailing list?

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Anders Klixbull <akl [at] experian> wrote:
> But isnt that where you feel most at home brother n3td3v?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of n3td3v
> Sent: 11. november 2008 15:58
> To: full-disclosure [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>
> Yup, pointless thread that was going no where.
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, TJ <trejrco [at] gmail> wrote:
>> My views on this issue aside, I am fairly certain this has swerved
>> solidly into off-topic land.
>> Perhaps we can have our religious debates elsewhere ... ?
>>
>>
>>
>> /TJ
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists
>>>[mailto:full-disclosure- bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
>>>Anders Klixbull
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:51 AM
>>>To: infolookup [at] gmail; n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>>Importance: High
>>>
>>>Religion is nothing more than mental crutches for weakminded people
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists
>>>[mailto:full-disclosure- bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
>>>infolookup [at] gmail
>>>Sent: 11. november 2008 13:33
>>>To: n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
>>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>>
>>>Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that
>>>there is a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child
>>>your though patters are so distorted!
>>>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>
>>>
>>>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
>>>To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
>>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
>>>
>>>
>>>"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
>>>
>>>'No God' slogans for city's buses
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
>>>
>>>'No God' campaign raises £140,000
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm
>>>
>>>All the best,
>>>
>>>n3td3v
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
>>>Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
>>>Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
>>>Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
>>>
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>>>Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
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>>
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trolliefingers at gmail

Nov 11, 2008, 7:30 AM

Post #25 of 41 (2856 views)
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Re: What Christianity means to me [In reply to]

*so why can't the people who don't like me just shut up and get a life on
some other
mailing list?*

well that would leave this list looking much like your google group,
wouldn't it?

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:17 AM, n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail> wrote:

> My intentions are usually good when I start a thread about something,
> but they are quickly taken down the anti-n3td3v gateway, into all out
> flameness about how n3td3v's opinion sucks and how great everyone else
> is on the list. n3td3v is a blogger of cyber security, if you don't
> like my opinions thats sweet, just don't tell the rest of the list
> about it, because then I get the blame for it. I want to be able to
> give my opinion without getting a bad reaction, so why can't the
> people who don't like me just shut up and get a life on some other
> mailing list?
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Anders Klixbull <akl [at] experian> wrote:
> > But isnt that where you feel most at home brother n3td3v?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists [mailto:
> full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of n3td3v
> > Sent: 11. november 2008 15:58
> > To: full-disclosure [at] lists
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
> >
> > Yup, pointless thread that was going no where.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, TJ <trejrco [at] gmail> wrote:
> >> My views on this issue aside, I am fairly certain this has swerved
> >> solidly into off-topic land.
> >> Perhaps we can have our religious debates elsewhere ... ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> /TJ
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists
> >>>[mailto:full-disclosure- bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
> >>>Anders Klixbull
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:51 AM
> >>>To: infolookup [at] gmail; n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
> >>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
> >>>Importance: High
> >>>
> >>>Religion is nothing more than mental crutches for weakminded people
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: full-disclosure-bounces [at] lists
> >>>[mailto:full-disclosure- bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
> >>>infolookup [at] gmail
> >>>Sent: 11. november 2008 13:33
> >>>To: n3td3v; full-disclosure [at] lists
> >>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
> >>>
> >>>Speak for yourself some of us prefer to think act and believe that
> >>>there is a God, no wonder why the list treats you like a step child
> >>>your though patters are so distorted!
> >>>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: n3td3v <xploitable [at] gmail>
> >>>
> >>>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:16
> >>>To: <full-disclosure [at] lists>
> >>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What Christianity means to me
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
> >>>
> >>>'No God' slogans for city's buses
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
> >>>
> >>>'No God' campaign raises £140,000
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7698559.stm
> >>>
> >>>All the best,
> >>>
> >>>n3td3v
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> >>>Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
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> >
>
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