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mchatner at gmail

May 13, 2008, 6:14 PM

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Geeks

Hey nerds, dweebs, geeks and losers;

I have a song dedication for you.

http://media.odeo.com/6/0/6/fredblassie.mp3

Bon Apetit!
Professor Micheal Chatner

"Most any night you know where I can be found.
Yeah, stomping some geek's head into the ground."

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pauls at utdallas

May 13, 2008, 6:38 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

--On May 13, 2008 6:14:34 PM -0700 Professor Micheal Chatner
<mchatner[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey nerds, dweebs, geeks and losers;
>
> I have a song dedication for you.
>
> http://media.odeo.com/6/0/6/fredblassie.mp3
>
>
> Bon Apetit!
> Professor Micheal Chatner

Well, I see you've dropped the CISSP. I suppose that's progress.

Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu)
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/

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xploitable at gmail

May 13, 2008, 9:30 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Paul Schmehl <pauls[at]utdallas.edu> wrote:
> --On May 13, 2008 6:14:34 PM -0700 Professor Micheal Chatner
>
> <mchatner[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey nerds, dweebs, geeks and losers;
> >
> > I have a song dedication for you.
> >
> > http://media.odeo.com/6/0/6/fredblassie.mp3
> >
> >
> > Bon Apetit!
> > Professor Micheal Chatner
>
> Well, I see you've dropped the CISSP. I suppose that's progress.
>
> Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu)
> Senior Information Security Analyst
> The University of Texas at Dallas
> http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/

I wonder if we can get John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
<bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com> to drop his CISSP too!

All the best,

n3td3v

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bambenek.infosec at gmail

May 14, 2008, 8:35 AM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

Why? I crammed a whole 2 hours to pass that test.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM, n3td3v <xploitable[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Paul Schmehl <pauls[at]utdallas.edu> wrote:
> > --On May 13, 2008 6:14:34 PM -0700 Professor Micheal Chatner
> >
> > <mchatner[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey nerds, dweebs, geeks and losers;
> > >
> > > I have a song dedication for you.
> > >
> > > http://media.odeo.com/6/0/6/fredblassie.mp3
> > >
> > >
> > > Bon Apetit!
> > > Professor Micheal Chatner
> >
> > Well, I see you've dropped the CISSP. I suppose that's progress.
> >
> > Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu)
> > Senior Information Security Analyst
> > The University of Texas at Dallas
> > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
>
> I wonder if we can get John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
> <bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com> to drop his CISSP too!
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>

icetre at thearistocrats

May 14, 2008, 9:52 AM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

Uh, maybe because announcing your CISSP is pretentious enough, but doing
it in a username is over the top?

Adam

John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP wrote:
> Why? I crammed a whole 2 hours to pass that test.
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM, n3td3v <xploitable[at]gmail.com
> <mailto:xploitable[at]gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Paul Schmehl <pauls[at]utdallas.edu
> <mailto:pauls[at]utdallas.edu>> wrote:
> > --On May 13, 2008 6:14:34 PM -0700 Professor Micheal Chatner
> >
> > <mchatner[at]gmail.com <mailto:mchatner[at]gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey nerds, dweebs, geeks and losers;
> > >
> > > I have a song dedication for you.
> > >
> > > http://media.odeo.com/6/0/6/fredblassie.mp3
> > >
> > >
> > > Bon Apetit!
> > > Professor Micheal Chatner
> >
> > Well, I see you've dropped the CISSP. I suppose that's progress.
> >
> > Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu <mailto:pauls[at]utdallas.edu>)
> > Senior Information Security Analyst
> > The University of Texas at Dallas
> > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
>
> I wonder if we can get John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
> <bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com <mailto:bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com>>
> to drop his CISSP too!
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
>
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xploitable at gmail

May 14, 2008, 12:14 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Adam Chesnutt
<icetre[at]thearistocrats.org> wrote:
> Uh, maybe because announcing your CISSP is pretentious enough, but doing it
> in a username is over the top?
>
> Adam

He has a license to hack and it took him two hours to get it.

Be fearful of the CISSP!

All the best,

n3td3v

> John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP wrote:
>>
>> Why? I crammed a whole 2 hours to pass that test.
>>
>> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM, n3td3v <xploitable[at]gmail.com
>> <mailto:xploitable[at]gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Paul Schmehl <pauls[at]utdallas.edu
>> <mailto:pauls[at]utdallas.edu>> wrote:
>> > --On May 13, 2008 6:14:34 PM -0700 Professor Micheal Chatner
>> >
>> > <mchatner[at]gmail.com <mailto:mchatner[at]gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hey nerds, dweebs, geeks and losers;
>> > >
>> > > I have a song dedication for you.
>> > >
>> > > http://media.odeo.com/6/0/6/fredblassie.mp3
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bon Apetit!
>> > > Professor Micheal Chatner
>> >
>> > Well, I see you've dropped the CISSP. I suppose that's progress.
>> >
>> > Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu <mailto:pauls[at]utdallas.edu>)
>> > Senior Information Security Analyst
>> > The University of Texas at Dallas
>> > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
>>
>> I wonder if we can get John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
>> <bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com <mailto:bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com>>
>> to drop his CISSP too!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> n3td3v

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Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

May 14, 2008, 12:32 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:14:35 BST, n3td3v said:

> He has a license to hack and it took him two hours to get it.
>
> Be fearful of the CISSP!

Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
covered in the CISSP.

Hint: A CISSP needs to know why "security" involves knowing what the local
building and electrical codes are....

xploitable at gmail

May 14, 2008, 2:03 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks[at]vt.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:14:35 BST, n3td3v said:
>
>> He has a license to hack and it took him two hours to get it.
>>
>> Be fearful of the CISSP!
>
> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
> covered in the CISSP.
>
> Hint: A CISSP needs to know why "security" involves knowing what the local
> building and electrical codes are....

So back to the point Valdis, should he keep CISSP in his username?

All the best,

n3td3v

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tbiehn at gmail

May 14, 2008, 3:28 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

Awesome song btw!!!!

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:03 PM, n3td3v <xploitable[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks[at]vt.edu> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:14:35 BST, n3td3v said:
>>
>>> He has a license to hack and it took him two hours to get it.
>>>
>>> Be fearful of the CISSP!
>>
>> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
>> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
>> covered in the CISSP.
>>
>> Hint: A CISSP needs to know why "security" involves knowing what the local
>> building and electrical codes are....
>
> So back to the point Valdis, should he keep CISSP in his username?
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
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mchatner at gmail

May 14, 2008, 11:43 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

It took more than that you fat beast of a man!!!!!

CISSP is a very high accreditation and only the best of the best can
achieve such a level of excellence in their hacking abilities to
obtain it. It's basically the PhD of hacking.

Why are you putting CISSP in your shit up there like that pretending
to be a badass motherfucker when you're just a fat loser with no
talent.

Your face looks like a pepperoni pizza. Nice zits bro.

Way to go eating all them hamburgers and turning into a fat old retarded loser.

Professional Micheal Chatner, MD, CISSP

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM, John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
<bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Why? I crammed a whole 2 hours to pass that test.
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM, n3td3v <xploitable[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Paul Schmehl <pauls[at]utdallas.edu> wrote:
>> > --On May 13, 2008 6:14:34 PM -0700 Professor Micheal Chatner
>> >
>> > <mchatner[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hey nerds, dweebs, geeks and losers;
>> > >
>> > > I have a song dedication for you.
>> > >
>> > > http://media.odeo.com/6/0/6/fredblassie.mp3
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bon Apetit!
>> > > Professor Micheal Chatner
>> >
>> > Well, I see you've dropped the CISSP. I suppose that's progress.
>> >
>> > Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu)
>> > Senior Information Security Analyst
>> > The University of Texas at Dallas
>> > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
>>
>> I wonder if we can get John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
>> <bambenek.infosec[at]gmail.com> to drop his CISSP too!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> n3td3v
>
>
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se_cur_ity at hotmail

May 15, 2008, 9:11 AM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

>> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
>> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
>> covered in the CISSP.

CISSP's cant hack

Donnie Werner ( not a ) CISSP
http://exploitlabs.com

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cmorris at cs

May 15, 2008, 9:53 AM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

<trollfood>
You know, that's really rude, not to mention incorrect.
I should get my CISSP just to prove you wrong. =)
</trollfood>

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Morning Wood <se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
> >> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
> >> covered in the CISSP.
>
> CISSP's cant hack
>
>
>
> Donnie Werner ( not a ) CISSP
> http://exploitlabs.com
>
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>

--

Charles Morris
cmorris[at]cs.odu.edu

Network Security Administrator,
Software Developer

Office of Computing and Communications Services,
CS Systems Group Old Dominion University
http://www.cs.odu.edu/~cmorris

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Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

May 15, 2008, 12:10 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:11:37 PDT, Morning Wood said:
> >> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
> >> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
> >> covered in the CISSP.
>
> CISSP's cant hack

Right, because the CISSP isn't about hacking. It's about risk management.
It's about balancing the cost of adding more security to a system against
the costs of an intrusion. It's about the costs of testing a disaster
recovery plan, and the costs of not having a plan. It's about what sort
of backup schedule you should have, and what the retention period on the
backups should be, and why. It's about knowing how deep a background check
you should make on prospective employees. It's about how much security
awareness training the users need.

Hacking is a *very small* part of the security world.

xploitable at gmail

May 15, 2008, 2:12 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Morning Wood <se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
>>> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
>>> covered in the CISSP.
>
> CISSP's cant hack
>

But a lumberjack can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg

>
> Donnie Werner ( not a ) CISSP
> http://exploitlabs.com
>

All the best,

n3td3v

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mchatner at gmail

May 15, 2008, 2:56 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

Fuck Monty Python. Fucking dorks.

Professor Micheal Chatner, MD, CISSP

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:12 PM, n3td3v <xploitable[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Morning Wood <se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
>>>> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
>>>> covered in the CISSP.
>>
>> CISSP's cant hack
>>
>
> But a lumberjack can.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg
>
>>
>> Donnie Werner ( not a ) CISSP
>> http://exploitlabs.com
>>
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
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fdiggle at gmail

May 16, 2008, 9:39 AM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

thank you for the qualified opinion valdis. everyone cares very much.
can't you see how much we are all caring. also I saw a deal on
mustache wax the other day, email fredrick off list for linkage.

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:10 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks[at]vt.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:11:37 PDT, Morning Wood said:
>> >> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
>> >> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
>> >> covered in the CISSP.
>>
>> CISSP's cant hack
>
> Right, because the CISSP isn't about hacking. It's about risk management.
> It's about balancing the cost of adding more security to a system against
> the costs of an intrusion. It's about the costs of testing a disaster
> recovery plan, and the costs of not having a plan. It's about what sort
> of backup schedule you should have, and what the retention period on the
> backups should be, and why. It's about knowing how deep a background check
> you should make on prospective employees. It's about how much security
> awareness training the users need.
>
> Hacking is a *very small* part of the security world.
>
> _______________________________________________
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groffg at gmgdesign

May 16, 2008, 9:53 AM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

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I think Valdis's point was valid. Why the sarcastic comments? (And what's
with the mustache wax comment?)

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> thank you for the qualified opinion valdis. everyone cares very much.
> can't you see how much we are all caring. also I saw a deal on
> mustache wax the other day, email fredrick off list for linkage.
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:10 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks[at]vt.edu> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:11:37 PDT, Morning Wood said:
>>> >> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully
>>> >> ignorant of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and
>>> >> the material covered in the CISSP.
>>>
>>> CISSP's cant hack
>>
>> Right, because the CISSP isn't about hacking. It's about risk
>> management. It's about balancing the cost of adding more security to a
>> system against the costs of an intrusion. It's about the costs of
>> testing a disaster recovery plan, and the costs of not having a plan.
>> It's about what sort of backup schedule you should have, and what the
>> retention period on the backups should be, and why. It's about knowing
>> how deep a background check you should make on prospective employees.
>> It's about how much security awareness training the users need.
>>
>> Hacking is a *very small* part of the security world.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

May 16, 2008, 6:29 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:53:12 EDT, "Garrett M. Groff" said:
> I think Valdis's point was valid. Why the sarcastic comments? (And what's
> with the mustache wax comment?)

Especially considering that my mustache is big and bushy and *not* the sort
that needs mustache wax. Oh, and since I probably started growing it well
before they were born, it has seniority over them... :)

wilder_jeff at msn

May 19, 2008, 8:58 AM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

The CISSP is a management certification... not a techie cert... I dont need to hack to keep one out..

-Jeff-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----Version: 3.1GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M--V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++G e* h--- r- y+++*------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------> From: se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com> To: xploitable[at]gmail.com; full-disclosure[at]lists.grok.org.uk> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:11:37 -0700> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Geeks> > >> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant> >> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material> >> covered in the CISSP.> > CISSP's cant hack> > > > Donnie Werner ( not a ) CISSP> http://exploitlabs.com> > _______________________________________________> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/

soldidude at yahoo

May 19, 2008, 12:34 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

> CISSP's cant hack

Huh?

There are plenty of CISSPs you wouldn't want on your bad side. They just decided to grow up and make a legitimate living. It simply creates a 'standard' by which companies can use to gauge a person's understanding is at a base level.

They also learned how to use spell check and form a proper sentence that one does not have to read three times to understand.

----- Original Message ----
From: wilder_jeff Wilder <wilder_jeff[at]msn.com>
To: Morning Wood <se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com>; n3td3v <xploitable[at]gmail.com>; full-disclosure[at]lists.grok.org.uk
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:58:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Geeks

The CISSP is a management certification... not a techie cert... I dont need to hack to keep one out..

-Jeff

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> From: se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com
> To: xploitable[at]gmail.com; full-disclosure[at]lists.grok.org.uk
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:11:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Geeks
>
> >> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is dreadfully ignorant
> >> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and the material
> >> covered in the CISSP.
>
> CISSP's cant hack
>
>
>
> Donnie Werner ( not a ) CISSP
> http://exploitlabs.com
>
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elazar at hushmail

May 19, 2008, 12:50 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

Yea, and there are plenty that can't even set up their own home
network...

On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:34:41 -0400 Soldi <soldidude[at]yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> CISSP's cant hack
>
>Huh?
>
>There are plenty of CISSPs you wouldn't want on your bad side.
>They just decided to grow up and make a legitimate living. It
>simply creates a 'standard' by which companies can use to gauge a
>person's understanding is at a base level.
>
>They also learned how to use spell check and form a proper
>sentence that one does not have to read three times to understand.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: wilder_jeff Wilder <wilder_jeff[at]msn.com>
>To: Morning Wood <se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com>; n3td3v
><xploitable[at]gmail.com>; full-disclosure[at]lists.grok.org.uk
>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:58:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Geeks
>
> The CISSP is a management certification... not a techie cert... I
>dont need to hack to keep one out..
>
>
>
>-Jeff
>
>
>
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>> From: se_cur_ity[at]hotmail.com
>> To: xploitable[at]gmail.com; full-disclosure[at]lists.grok.org.uk
>> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:11:37 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Geeks
>>
>> >> Anybody who thinks a CISSP is a "license to hack" is
>dreadfully ignorant
>> >> of what little overlap there is between hacking skills and
>the material
>> >> covered in the CISSP.
>>
>> CISSP's cant hack
>>
>>
>>
>> Donnie Werner ( not a ) CISSP
>> http://exploitlabs.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
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pauls at utdallas

May 19, 2008, 7:06 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

--On May 19, 2008 3:50:37 PM -0400 Elazar Broad <elazar[at]hushmail.com>
wrote:

> Yea, and there are plenty that can't even set up their own home
> network...
>

If that's true, I'm sure you can name a few.

Or are you all hot air like two thirds of the bozos that constantly post
to this list?

Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu)
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/

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jahilliya at gmail

May 19, 2008, 7:25 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Paul Schmehl <pauls[at]utdallas.edu> wrote:

> --On May 19, 2008 3:50:37 PM -0400 Elazar Broad <elazar[at]hushmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yea, and there are plenty that can't even set up their own home
> > network...
> >
>
> If that's true, I'm sure you can name a few.
>
> Or are you all hot air like two thirds of the bozos that constantly post
> to this list?
>
> Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu)
> Senior Information Security Analyst
>

As Jeff Wilder said before, it's a management certification.
As someone else has said, CISSP provides a baseline for others to make
assessment of your knowledge.

Two people, both achieved CISSP certification, one took 15 years of work in
the industry, and failed the exam once. The other graduated from uni and
passed the exam on the first try.

Their knowledge is not the same, the guy that graduated from university and
passed simply has a photographic memory.

It's to provide a baseline, it's like saying that everyone that graduates
from high school is of the same intelligence as everyone else who graduated
that year... it's a baseline.

Warning, my fud below...
A director at another company I was talking with told me a story how he and
a friend had to sit an exam the next day, the Director had studied all the
material thoroughly, the other guy didn't, and didn't even study one of the
core subjects of the exam criteria.
The other guy studied the material the night before (the material he didn't
study earlier) for two hours and passed. The Director failed by 7 points.

The Director asked his friend how he passed when he didn't study the
material and just read it the night before... his friends reply "I have a
photographic memory, in 3 months I won't remember a thing".

bambenek.infosec at gmail

May 19, 2008, 7:36 PM

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Re: Geeks [In reply to]

For the record, I got it because I got tired of HR guys asking me about
security certifications just before deciding not to give me an interview.
It's like a college degree... it's a piece of paper that is your entrance
ticket.

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Daniel Marsh <jahilliya[at]gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Paul Schmehl <pauls[at]utdallas.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> --On May 19, 2008 3:50:37 PM -0400 Elazar Broad <elazar[at]hushmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Yea, and there are plenty that can't even set up their own home
>> > network...
>> >
>>
>> If that's true, I'm sure you can name a few.
>>
>> Or are you all hot air like two thirds of the bozos that constantly post
>> to this list?
>>
>> Paul Schmehl (pauls[at]utdallas.edu)
>> Senior Information Security Analyst
>>
>
> As Jeff Wilder said before, it's a management certification.
> As someone else has said, CISSP provides a baseline for others to make
> assessment of your knowledge.
>
> Two people, both achieved CISSP certification, one took 15 years of work in
> the industry, and failed the exam once. The other graduated from uni and
> passed the exam on the first try.
>
> Their knowledge is not the same, the guy that graduated from university and
> passed simply has a photographic memory.
>
> It's to provide a baseline, it's like saying that everyone that graduates
> from high school is of the same intelligence as everyone else who graduated
> that year... it's a baseline.
>
> Warning, my fud below...
> A director at another company I was talking with told me a story how he and
> a friend had to sit an exam the next day, the Director had studied all the
> material thoroughly, the other guy didn't, and didn't even study one of the
> core subjects of the exam criteria.
> The other guy studied the material the night before (the material he didn't
> study earlier) for two hours and passed. The Director failed by 7 points.
>
> The Director asked his friend how he passed when he didn't study the
> material and just read it the night before... his friends reply "I have a
> photographic memory, in 3 months I won't remember a thing".
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
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>

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