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May 31, 2012, 1:46 PM
Post #55 of 67
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Tom Lichti <tom [at] redpepperracing> wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Boehm
> <mythtv-users [at] lists> wrote:
>> Simon Hobson wrote:
>>> Christopher Kerr wrote:
>>>> My videos are different. Everything in my videos library is something
>>>> I like, and they exist in a timeless void. Where I like my television
>>>> in a simple chronological list, I want to browse my videos as a gallery.
>>> But that's a somewhat arbitrary division.
>>> Essentially, what you are saying is that if it came from TV then it
>>> should be ditched after watching once, if it came on a DVD then it's
>>> kept. OK, so what about stuff that can come on either ? What about stuff
>>> you kept on TV, but then had to start getting on DVD ?
>> You don't get it. If one wants to keep a TV show, then one has already a
>> userjob set up, which converts it and puts it in mythvideo. Mythvideo
>> acts as an archive for me and most people from what I read here. There's
>> a reason why there is no auto expire in mythvideo.
>> I don't see the point in mixing the two because of maybe 5% or less of
>> my recordings I want to keep too.
>> If you want to have your recordings in mythvideo, you can already do it
>> right now. Just use mythlink.pl to create the links inside your video
>> folder and everybody is happy.
> No, you don't get it, I was not happy with that solution. We hate the
> interface to Videos, so I have hacked a system that makes Videos show
> up in the Recordings screen, as it's more intuitive to use, and better
> organized for our usage, and works well enough, with the occasional
> manual tweaking required.
> For our use case, this works. For your use case, it doesn't work. Your
> use case isn't superior to mine, nor is mine to yours, just different,
> I don't get why I need to be forced to use your scenario, especially
> if there is a potential solution that can fit both use cases.
> Again, I'm not sure why we are arguing about this, and why people have
> such a vehement opinion about it, nothing has been changed, and
> nothing has even formally been proposed, other than an idea floated by
> Michael Dean. I'm sure he's chuckling away somewhere... :)
in theory, whomever is going to do anything, will hopefully read this
thread for ideas, and as to whether to proceed or not. that said, that
was not the case with the MythMusic overhaul, so, yea...
First, as with when most things change, sometimes a paradigm shift
needs to occur. I hold no respect for those incapable of accepting
paradigm shifts for the greater good. That said, I hate change for the
worse, so lets not see if these concerns can't be managed and
integrated into a more easily accepted solution.
From what I can tell, the two main arguments against the ideas of integration.
First is how things like home videos, and the like, should not be
integrated into a user interaction system that is basically designed
for TV shows (ie the Watch Recordings screen).
I have to agree about this, I don't have home videos, but I can see
how that would be initially confusing, and organizationally odd. That
said, I could see how, with proper planning, this situation could be
handled smoothly with some added features to the the interface of the
Watch Recordings screen.
The other is the concept of the temporary nature of recordings vs the
permanency of other sourced material.
For this, while I can see the initial concern, it seems based on the
idea that the issues could not be easily overcome. I'm trying to
understand Mr Kerr's concern about mixing tv recorded episodes and
"saved"(ie physical media sourced, or transcoded recordings) episodes.
If I understand correctly, his concerns are that
- he may delete episodes he means to keep?
- that he won't know that a recording is a recording and will be
deleted over time?
So let me throw out some idea as to how this could be done, with these
two concerns in mind.
First, "Groups" needs to be converted to a tags system. I think this
is obvious and somewhat regardless of any other changes. Minimally it
would work the same, but put to good use would provide a high level of
powerful filtering. So lets assume, from the beginning that whether
this occurs before, or as part of, the integration, that this is a
component we get to work with.
Lets also, for the sake of clarity, continue to refer to non-tv
recorded material as Videos, and tv as, well, TV.
Automatic tagging of Videos by their stored folder location, should
occur, and should be dynamic. How this occurs, auto-naming by folder
name, or by a specific user given tag name for items in that folder is
of no concern overall.
IE if one has a "Home Videos" folder in their Videos heirarchy, all
videos under that will be auto-tagged with that folders tag.
in such a way, ripped movies, placed in a "Movies" folder, could then
also be auto-tagged as "Movie", etc.
A tag feature that would be useful to solve some of the issues are the
idea of "root" tags, or tags that have a greater hierarchical
significance, "Categories" we'll call them, some will be built in,
others can be created by the user. Built-in ones, which will have
special functioning in the interface should include: Recorded, TV
Shows, and Movies. Perhaps others?
From there, the newly integrated playback selection screen, "Watch
Stuff" we'll call it for now, should have some features that allow for
more filtered separation of videos by their tags and metadata.
Right now, if the theme developer chooses, they can have the Watch
Recordings screen display Recording Groups and allow the user to
easily switch between them, and all recordings, using a mappable
button, which i think defaults to track/chapter forward and
track/chapter back on the remote. We could use this feature concept to
allow the user to switch between the Categories such that what is
displayed is filtered by what is selected.
From here, two view types would be possible, one that caters to
Title/subtitle metadata (tv shows, home videos, etc) and another to
Title metadata (ie Movies).
For the built in Categories of Recorded and TV Shows, (and whatever
else is come up with), they can default to Title/subtitle metadata,
Movies, etc to just Title metadata. This would be displayed much like
the current Watch Recordings screen. The views should mesh such that
there is not big visual switch in how the display looks, just a slight
change in how the data is presented.
The "All" view should however have some special features in it's Title column.
Recorded should be the initial entry point, and of course show only
recorded shows in the order the user chooses (ie right now the user
can choose what chronological order recordings are displayed, this
would stay and be used for this category) which then mimics the
current initial view upon entering Watch Recordings, and give the user
a clearly displayed view of what has been recorded in their preferred
The ability to have other Categories with only Title metadata as their
view in the title column could be had too so Movies would get an entry
in All as well.
I think this would not be too far off of what we're all used to now,
while integrating MythVideo and Watch Recordings, while meeting the
issues people have voiced so far.
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