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anothersname at googlemail

Jan 4, 2011, 8:58 AM

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How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers?

If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?

Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.

Just out of interest.

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kae at midnighthax

Jan 4, 2011, 9:07 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?

If it were along the lines of of the HD HomeRun, yes. Not so interested in
USB or PCIx cards.
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nico at youplala

Jan 4, 2011, 9:43 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 16:58 +0000, Another Sillyname wrote:
> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
>
> Just out of interest.

Talking about this, maybe?

http://shop.blackgold.tv/BGT3620

Yes, I would be interested.

I'd rather see a PCI or USB model, though.

What about that PCTV stick that was announced?

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Jan 4, 2011, 9:51 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 4 January 2011 17:43, Nicolas Will <nico [at] youplala> wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 16:58 +0000, Another Sillyname wrote:
>> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>>
>> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
>>
>> Just out of interest.
>
> Talking about this, maybe?
>
> http://shop.blackgold.tv/BGT3620
>
> Yes, I would be interested.
>
> I'd rather see a PCI or USB model, though.
>
> What about that PCTV stick that was announced?
>
> Nico
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There's no 'nix drivers for the Blackgold, this is from a different supplier.
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Jan 4, 2011, 9:52 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 4 January 2011 17:07, Keith Edmunds <kae [at] midnighthax> wrote:
>> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> If it were along the lines of of the HD HomeRun, yes. Not so interested in
> USB or PCIx cards.
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PCI-E card only I'm afraid.
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nico at youplala

Jan 4, 2011, 9:57 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 17:51 +0000, Another Sillyname wrote:
> On 4 January 2011 17:43, Nicolas Will <nico [at] youplala> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 16:58 +0000, Another Sillyname wrote:
> >> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
> >>
> >> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
> >>
> >> Just out of interest.
> >
> > Talking about this, maybe?
> >
> > http://shop.blackgold.tv/BGT3620
> >
> > Yes, I would be interested.
> >
> > I'd rather see a PCI or USB model, though.
> >
> > What about that PCTV stick that was announced?
> >
> > Nico
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> There's no 'nix drivers for the Blackgold, this is from a different
> supplier.

My interest is there !

That could be a trigger to replace the case and MB for my system in
order to accomodate PCI-E.

So, do tell, who/what/where/when?

Nico

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richard.e.morton at gmail

Jan 4, 2011, 10:24 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

In time I would be interested, but there is no DVB-T2 around here for
the moment (nor until 2012).
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rongblor at googlemail

Jan 4, 2011, 10:38 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 16:58 +0000, Another Sillyname wrote:
> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
>
> Just out of interest.

Not right now, but maybe in the future.

But I'd want to see a few success stories before spending any money
because I recently bought a Dual DVB-S2 tuner "with Linux Drivers".
However the Linux drivers (in the kernel) are flakey when using both
tuners at the same time - fortunately there are some test drivers over
at linux-dvb that have been working flawlessly for the last month or two.

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gary.dawes at gmail

Jan 4, 2011, 11:23 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 4 January 2011 16:58, Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>wrote:

> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
>
> Just out of interest.
>
> Anthony
>
> Depends on how many tuners were mounted on the card, and how many were
usable at one time, but I would be extremely interested if stable and fully
functional linux drivers were available.

Blackgold have had some cracking cards in the past, but Windows only.

Gaz


linux at thehobsons

Jan 4, 2011, 11:30 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

Another Sillyname wrote:
>If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
>Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
>
>Just out of interest.

Also just out of interest since I lack the cash
to build a dedicated backend at the moment (and I
can max out my Xen guest on a low spec machine
without HD), yes I'd be interested.

I'd say £100 for two tuners would be acceptable,
and it does appear that DVB-T2 hardware is still
a bit thin on the ground.

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Jan 4, 2011, 12:17 PM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

Gary Dawes wrote:

>Blackgold have had some cracking cards in the past, but Windows only.

I was thinking that when I followed the link posted earlier - I was
thinking what a shame when they have things like one card with
2xDVB-S/S2 plus 2xDVB-T !

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davescammell at gmail

Jan 4, 2011, 12:21 PM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 4 January 2011 19:30, Simon Hobson <linux [at] thehobsons> wrote:
> Another Sillyname wrote:
>>
>> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>>
>> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
>>
>> Just out of interest.
>

Not sure how many T2 muxes there are going to be, only one? I'd like
to be able to record from potentially all T2 muxes at the same time,
if I could do that for £100 I'd be interested but 2012 iirc is the go
live for the south coast (rowridge). I don't have astra but likely
wouldn't do T2 at all if astra happens for me first, it all depends of
course...

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rob at r2g2

Jan 5, 2011, 1:30 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 02:40 +0000, mythtv-users-request [at] mythtv
wrote:
> > Gary Dawes wrote:
> >
> > >Blackgold have had some cracking cards in the past, but Windows only.
> >
> > I was thinking that when I followed the link posted earlier - I was
> > thinking what a shame when they have things like one card with
> > 2xDVB-S/S2 plus 2xDVB-T !

Yeah, and nobody else does any drivers either. They look like good
cards but...

I would be interested in the dual DVB-T2 card, subject to the drivers
being reliable and me upgrading my hardware. We can in theory get
Freeview HD here (Mendip) but signal strength isn't great for SD (lots
of dropouts) so heaven knows what HD might be like. I await the Mendip
re-allocation of channels this year to see it if helps, otherwise I'll
have to wait for the power up in 2012. And you thought switchover was a
one step process!

Rob Clive
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peterpf_mitchell at yahoo

Jan 5, 2011, 2:00 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

----- Original Message ----

> From: Rob Clive <rob [at] r2g2>
>
> I would be interested in the dual DVB-T2 card, subject to the drivers
> being reliable and me upgrading my hardware. We can in theory get
> Freeview HD here (Mendip) but signal strength isn't great for SD (lots
> of dropouts) so heaven knows what HD might be like. I await the Mendip
> re-allocation of channels this year to see it if helps, otherwise I'll
> have to wait for the power up in 2012. And you thought switchover was a
> one step process!
>

I've been waiting for a DVB-T2 card since March last year - I get my signal
from Crystal Palace so Freeview HD has been available here for some
months now.

This would form part of a complete upgrade however. Whilst the
motherboard of my current combined FE/BE can take PCI-E cards
neither my CPU or current video card are capable of decoding H.264 1080i
in real time - maxes out at 720p! The upgrade would involve putting
together a new dedicated FE for playback which I have been planning
for a while - the availability of DVB-T2 cards would simply give me the
incentive to finally do this!

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Jan 5, 2011, 2:30 AM

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I would be interested, as we get a couple of T2 HDTV channels in Belfast.
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lists at glidos

Jan 5, 2011, 3:11 AM

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On 04/01/2011 18:24, Richard Morton wrote:
> In time I would be interested, but there is no DVB-T2 around here for
> the moment (nor until 2012).

Same here, but definitely interested once we have the change over.

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Jan 5, 2011, 4:09 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 4 Jan 2011, at 16:58, Another Sillyname wrote:

> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.

Yes but in 18 months when T2 starts up around here.

Surely dual would be a bit excessively future proof at this stage, I'd doubt there will be a second T2 mux in the UK for some years and a T1 tuner is extremely cheap. Multirec would get you all the HD channels with one tuner.

A couple of (off list) Myth using friends would be interested straight away.

Andre


>
> Just out of interest.
>
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Jan 5, 2011, 5:27 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

Andre wrote:

>Surely dual would be a bit excessively future proof at this stage,
>I'd doubt there will be a second T2 mux in the UK for some years and
>a T1 tuner is extremely cheap. Multirec would get you all the HD
>channels with one tuner.

But why put two cards in your scarce slots when you can put one
dual-tuner card in ? Not to mention, some of the dual tuner cards
only need one antenna cable, so taming (very slightly) the spaghetti
monster behind the machine.

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Jan 5, 2011, 5:53 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 5 Jan 2011, at 13:27, Simon Hobson wrote:

> Andre wrote:
>
>> Surely dual would be a bit excessively future proof at this stage, I'd doubt there will be a second T2 mux in the UK for some years and a T1 tuner is extremely cheap. Multirec would get you all the HD channels with one tuner.
>
> But why put two cards in your scarce slots when you can put one dual-tuner card in ?

Why pay for two expensive DVBT2 tuners when you can only use one for the foreseeable future? Just in raw silicon terms for the demod DVBT2 =$20-$30, DVBT=$2, I understand that a better (=more expensive) tuner is generally required as well.

So far every dual tuner card I have or have read about seems to have problems when both tuners are used simultaneously, it's very unlikely I'll buy a dual tuner device again, they are not so useful when only used independently :-P

Mythtv is clever enough to manage multiple tuners with different capabilities so for the final use dual T2 is exactly the same as single T2 & single T1, for the foreseeable future in the UK anyway. With the way things are going the BBC won't be able to afford to bid for a second T2 mux, certainly not Five, TopupTV, yeah right! Only possibility might be Sky and that will likely be locked into their decryption hardware so not so relevant for MythTV.

I'll just be happy to have any T2 tuner that has good linux drivers and DVBT2 modulation support in S2API and MythTV. I think four FTA simultaneous HD channels is worth finding an antenna cable for.


> Not to mention, some of the dual tuner cards only need one antenna cable, so taming (very slightly) the spaghetti monster behind the machine.

Yeah, that's nice but I'd rather have something that;
1) works properly
2) is affordable
3) comes to market in a reasonable period.

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J.Pilk at tesco

Jan 5, 2011, 6:20 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 05/01/11 13:53, Andre wrote:
>
> On 5 Jan 2011, at 13:27, Simon Hobson wrote:
>
>> Andre wrote:
>>
>>> Surely dual would be a bit excessively future proof at this stage, I'd doubt there will be a second T2 mux in the UK for some years and a T1 tuner is extremely cheap. Multirec would get you all the HD channels with one tuner.
>>
>> But why put two cards in your scarce slots when you can put one dual-tuner card in ?
>
> Why pay for two expensive DVBT2 tuners when you can only use one for the foreseeable future? Just in raw silicon terms for the demod DVBT2 =$20-$30, DVBT=$2, I understand that a better (=more expensive) tuner is generally required as well.
>
> So far every dual tuner card I have or have read about seems to have problems when both tuners are used simultaneously, it's very unlikely I'll buy a dual tuner device again, they are not so useful when only used independently :-P
>
I'm now getting good dvb-t recordings from both tuners in my 704J usb
stick; it's still the third and fourth tuner, so not used intensively,
but Project-X sees no more glitches than from the other (PCI card)
devices. That's with the f13 kernel and firmware 4.95.0. Maplin may
still have them.

As for the original topic: no such signals yet, and no real plans for
upgrading, so interest, while real, is limited and subject to later
revision.

> Mythtv is clever enough to manage multiple tuners with different capabilities so for the final use dual T2 is exactly the same as single T2& single T1, for the foreseeable future in the UK anyway. With the way things are going the BBC won't be able to afford to bid for a second T2 mux, certainly not Five, TopupTV, yeah right! Only possibility might be Sky and that will likely be locked into their decryption hardware so not so relevant for MythTV.
>
> I'll just be happy to have any T2 tuner that has good linux drivers and DVBT2 modulation support in S2API and MythTV. I think four FTA simultaneous HD channels is worth finding an antenna cable for.
>
>
>> Not to mention, some of the dual tuner cards only need one antenna cable, so taming (very slightly) the spaghetti monster behind the machine.
>
> Yeah, that's nice but I'd rather have something that;
> 1) works properly
> 2) is affordable
> 3) comes to market in a reasonable period.
>
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kae at midnighthax

Jan 5, 2011, 3:17 PM

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:58:50 +0000, anothersname [at] googlemail said:

> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.

So what's the basis of the question? Idle speculation? Fishing? Hot goods
to shift?
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Jan 5, 2011, 4:21 PM

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On 5 January 2011 23:17, Keith Edmunds <kae [at] midnighthax> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:58:50 +0000, anothersname [at] googlemail said:
>
>> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>>
>> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.
>
> So what's the basis of the question? Idle speculation? Fishing? Hot goods
> to shift?
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Opportunity, perhaps, to source a currently unreleased product so I'm
trying to get a feel for what demand might be for a group buy.

Don't want to set too much expectation until things harden up and I'm
100% certain of supply.
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Jan 6, 2011, 11:27 AM

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> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?

Hardware ready and waiting. Would have to be competitive re price and
features to the BGT3620.

I emailed Blackgold before Xmas and was told that they will not have
Linux drivers for the BGT3620 until late Q1 2011. So I am waiting for
a tuner with reliable Linux drivers.

C
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mythtv.lists at burns

Jan 6, 2011, 11:33 AM

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On 6 January 2011 19:27, Charlie Myth <charliemyth [at] gmail> wrote:

>> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?

Me for one ... provided the drivers were heading into mainstream kernel.
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Jan 6, 2011, 3:59 PM

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I forgot to say (I would be interested when dvb-t2 is in my area;
2012) and provided that it was Dual DVB-T and DVB-T2. i.e. two tuners
that can tune to both types of transmission.

And ideally drivers were available for mainstream distributions by
standard update mechanisms (such as an ubuntu repo)

R
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Jan 7, 2011, 8:17 AM

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I would buy one, as long as it had working & supported Linux drivers.


stan at stanandliz

Jan 7, 2011, 12:41 PM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 6 January 2011 19:27, Charlie Myth <charliemyth [at] gmail> wrote:

> > If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> Hardware ready and waiting. Would have to be competitive re price and
> features to the BGT3620.
>
> I emailed Blackgold before Xmas and was told that they will not have
> Linux drivers for the BGT3620 until late Q1 2011. So I am waiting for
> a tuner with reliable Linux drivers.
>
> C
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Oh - sure I would - I've been waiting for Freeview HD on Myth for ages now!

Stephen


scurtis at fixation

Jan 8, 2011, 2:29 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On 7 January 2011 16:17, chrisw <bleb2tie [at] googlemail> wrote:

> I would buy one, as long as it had working & supported Linux drivers.
>
>
Yep - me too. I've been looking but not seen one anywhere yet. :-(

Cheers,
Steve.


totallymaxed at gmail

Jan 8, 2011, 2:36 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Steve Curtis <scurtis [at] fixation> wrote:

> On 7 January 2011 16:17, chrisw <bleb2tie [at] googlemail> wrote:
>
>> I would buy one, as long as it had working & supported Linux drivers.
>>
>>
> Yep - me too. I've been looking but not seen one anywhere yet. :-(
>
> Cheers,
> Steve.
>
>

Count me in too :-)

Andrew


mythtv at mikeholden

Jan 12, 2011, 3:33 AM

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Re: How many people in the UK would buy a DVB-T2 PCI-E with working drivers? [In reply to]

Another Sillyname wrote:
> If it was priced around £100 for a Dual DVB-T2 Tuner?
>
> Drivers for 'nix and Windows would be available.

Would likely be interested in a 1 tuner version at half that price?!

I already have all my SD DVB-T needs catered for by PCI cards, so I
only need 1 extra mux that is HD-capable, given the current
frequency setup of 5xSD, 1xHD.
--
Mike Holden

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