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justizin at siggraph

Sep 26, 2006, 7:56 AM

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On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
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> On 26 Sep 2006, at 14:40, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> > We're currently investigating mechanisms by which we (as the
> > community) can manage the nameserver for zope.org - a requirement
> > to bring namespaces.zope.org into being. We're also trying to
> > figure out what could be listening on the other end.
>
> If DNS is a bottleneck I volunteer to host the zope.org zone on my
> colocated servers (ns1.dataflake.org as primary, ns1.zetwork.com as
> secondary). The data center they are in (in Richmond/VA) has
> redundant internet connectivity and a sterling uptime record for
> their network.
>

We should totally figure out a solution for this. I also have
resources available to host DNS.

I am a volunteer for the Association for Computing Machinery, and we
are beginning to use Zope and Plone pretty significantly. Perhaps we
wouldn't mind owning this zone. We currently have no DNS management
tool, but I have the source code to an old one laying around I could
ressurect, ugly as it may be.

One reason I like the idea of the ACM hosting this zone is that we are
probably going to stick around, so Zope.org won't be likely to fall by
the wayside. Perhaps we could devise a system whereby several
organizations provide NS records for zope.org and replicate, either
via AXFR or otherwise.

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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 8:02 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 16:56, Justizin wrote:
> One reason I like the idea of the ACM hosting this zone is that we are
> probably going to stick around, so Zope.org won't be likely to fall by
> the wayside.

Umh, thanks for implying that others (like me) won't be around and
would leave zope.org in the lurch...

jens

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andrew at sawdog

Sep 26, 2006, 8:02 AM

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We can use someone like zoneedit.com for the primary, and then have a bunch
of secondaries.....I'm sure there's lots of us who could do secondary dns
for this. I've used zoneedit for several years now - flawlessly. First 5
domains are free - so that shouldn't be a problem.

Andrew

On 9/26/06 10:56 AM, "Justizin" <justizin [at] siggraph> wrote:

> On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
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>> On 26 Sep 2006, at 14:40, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>>> We're currently investigating mechanisms by which we (as the
>>> community) can manage the nameserver for zope.org - a requirement
>>> to bring namespaces.zope.org into being. We're also trying to
>>> figure out what could be listening on the other end.
>>
>> If DNS is a bottleneck I volunteer to host the zope.org zone on my
>> colocated servers (ns1.dataflake.org as primary, ns1.zetwork.com as
>> secondary). The data center they are in (in Richmond/VA) has
>> redundant internet connectivity and a sterling uptime record for
>> their network.
>>
>
> We should totally figure out a solution for this. I also have
> resources available to host DNS.
>
> I am a volunteer for the Association for Computing Machinery, and we
> are beginning to use Zope and Plone pretty significantly. Perhaps we
> wouldn't mind owning this zone. We currently have no DNS management
> tool, but I have the source code to an old one laying around I could
> ressurect, ugly as it may be.
>
> One reason I like the idea of the ACM hosting this zone is that we are
> probably going to stick around, so Zope.org won't be likely to fall by
> the wayside. Perhaps we could devise a system whereby several
> organizations provide NS records for zope.org and replicate, either
> via AXFR or otherwise.

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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 8:10 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:02, Andrew Sawyers wrote:

> We can use someone like zoneedit.com for the primary, and then have
> a bunch
> of secondaries.....I'm sure there's lots of us who could do
> secondary dns
> for this. I've used zoneedit for several years now - flawlessly.
> First 5
> domains are free - so that shouldn't be a problem.

Hey Andrew, learn bottom-posting please!

I haven't worked with zoneedit, but would volunteer a secondary DNS
setup on one of my boxes.

DNS changes should be very tightly regulated and the group of people
who can make them should be very small since DNS is a very important
wheel in the machinery which can break all other services if not
handled correctly. I don't think it is important to have some "newbie-
friendly" tool.

jens

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regebro at gmail

Sep 26, 2006, 8:20 AM

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On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
> Hey Andrew, learn bottom-posting please!
>
> I haven't worked with zoneedit, but would volunteer a secondary DNS
> setup on one of my boxes.

ZoneEdit has a very ugly site, but technically I haven't had one
single problem with them during four years of usage.

> I don't think it is important to have some "newbie-
> friendly" tool.

ZoneEdit isn't especially designed to be newbie-friendly. It is,
compared to hand-editing text-files, but that's probably more as a
side-effect of the fact that you configure things with forms that for
example add both forward and reverse dns automatically and stuff.

ZoneEdit is an option that should be considered. I'm not enough if a
DNS-guru to say if it's a better or worse option than other options,
but it does work very well.

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andrew at sawdog

Sep 26, 2006, 8:21 AM

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On 9/26/06 11:10 AM, "Jens Vagelpohl" <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:

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> On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:02, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
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>> We can use someone like zoneedit.com for the primary, and then have
>> a bunch
>> of secondaries.....I'm sure there's lots of us who could do
>> secondary dns
>> for this. I've used zoneedit for several years now - flawlessly.
>> First 5
>> domains are free - so that shouldn't be a problem.
>
> Hey Andrew, learn bottom-posting please!
>
> I haven't worked with zoneedit, but would volunteer a secondary DNS
> setup on one of my boxes.
>
> DNS changes should be very tightly regulated and the group of people
> who can make them should be very small since DNS is a very important
> wheel in the machinery which can break all other services if not
> handled correctly. I don't think it is important to have some "newbie-
> friendly" tool.
>
> jens
>
This has nothing to do with a newbie friendly tool - but a third party to be
the primary, so that a single person isn't the 'owner' of this - so those
with appropriate access can manage this. I'm sure all of us on the list
understand the importance of DNS and it's reliability. Since it's free and
been around for years, I thought it was worthy of looking at for the group.

Andrew

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justizin at siggraph

Sep 26, 2006, 8:26 AM

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> This has nothing to do with a newbie friendly tool - but a third party to be
> the primary, so that a single person isn't the 'owner' of this - so those
> with appropriate access can manage this. I'm sure all of us on the list
> understand the importance of DNS and it's reliability. Since it's free and
> been around for years, I thought it was worthy of looking at for the group.

Come to think of it, we are actually using http://dnsmadeeasy.com/ for
the ACM. It isn't that we can't run a BIND or djbdns server, we are
responsible for over fifty machines, but yanno, it's just easier.

A provider who focuses on DNS can make sure there is uber redundancy,
and can, as mentioned, keep a single point of failure from affecting
the zone's future edit-ability.

I definitely agree that it should be more difficult to get admin for
Zope.org DNS than to get a Zope.org account for publishing content /
filing bugs. ;)

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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 8:27 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:21, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
>> DNS changes should be very tightly regulated and the group of people
>> who can make them should be very small since DNS is a very important
>> wheel in the machinery which can break all other services if not
>> handled correctly. I don't think it is important to have some
>> "newbie-
>> friendly" tool.
>>
>> jens
>>
> This has nothing to do with a newbie friendly tool - but a third
> party to be
> the primary, so that a single person isn't the 'owner' of this - so
> those
> with appropriate access can manage this. I'm sure all of us on the
> list
> understand the importance of DNS and it's reliability. Since it's
> free and
> been around for years, I thought it was worthy of looking at for
> the group.

Yeah, definitely. And if we go with that tool I volunteer to be
hooked up as a secondary.

jens

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andrew at sawdog

Sep 26, 2006, 8:29 AM

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>
> Yeah, definitely. And if we go with that tool I volunteer to be
> hooked up as a secondary.
>
> jens
>
>

As do I .....

Andrew

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justizin at siggraph

Sep 26, 2006, 8:32 AM

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On 9/26/06, Andrew Sawyers <andrew [at] sawdog> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Yeah, definitely. And if we go with that tool I volunteer to be
> > hooked up as a secondary.
> >
> > jens
> >
> >
>
> As do I .....
>
> Andrew
>

I could slave as well.

I believe a single DNS query over UDP can handle around 20-25 entries,
depending on their size.

Should be no problem for an 'NS' query for zope.org to point at ten or
more hosts which run slave.

The question is, does this tool allow that? I imagine so. I know
that we set up a local slave in the convention center for SIGGRAPH in
Boston this year from our cheapo DNS provider.

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faassen at infrae

Sep 26, 2006, 8:39 AM

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Andrew Sawyers wrote:

>> Yeah, definitely. And if we go with that tool I volunteer to be
>> hooked up as a secondary.

> As do I .....

All this DNS volunteering is great! Unfortunately, I'm a bit at a loss
on how to proceed, as I'm not very familiar with DNS issues.

So, what I need:

* a single contact person for DNS issues that I can contact whenever
something DNS related is needed, can advise me on these issues should I
have questions, and who will arrange DNS matters among the three of you.
I propose it's one of you three (Justizin, Jens, Andrew). Anyone
volunteering for that?

* A plan of action worked out between the three of you. I basically need
to know what needs to be done bureaucratically from the side of Zope
Corporation and the Foundation to get this arranged. I'll leave the
actual work to you all - I intend to only be there when stuff needs to
be expedited somehow.

Regards,

Martijn
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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 8:40 AM

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> I believe a single DNS query over UDP can handle around 20-25 entries,
> depending on their size.
>
> Should be no problem for an 'NS' query for zope.org to point at ten or
> more hosts which run slave.
>
> The question is, does this tool allow that? I imagine so. I know
> that we set up a local slave in the convention center for SIGGRAPH in
> Boston this year from our cheapo DNS provider.

I'm not sure what you're trying to explain or ask here. Do you think
there would be any problem in propagating updates? Well, there won't.
And I don't see any need for more than 3 DNS servers (including the
master). DNS is not resource-intensive in any way.

jens

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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 8:46 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:39, Martijn Faassen wrote:

> Andrew Sawyers wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, definitely. And if we go with that tool I volunteer to be
>>> hooked up as a secondary.
>
>> As do I .....
>
> All this DNS volunteering is great! Unfortunately, I'm a bit at a
> loss on how to proceed, as I'm not very familiar with DNS issues.

The way it works is this:

- - the owner/admin for the domain changes the domain name servers
assigned for this domain through the registrar that holds the domain.
This can normally be done using a web interface at the registrar.
Someone at ZC must do this, and he needs a IP/hostname for the
primary DNS server and IPs/hostnames for secondaries

- - The zone data is pulled from the old servers and entered into the
new primary. This zone data must reflect the new DNS primary/
secondaries. Whenever the primary is updated, it will contact all the
secondaries it knows about automatically and ask them to reload the
data.

- - The secondaries need to have their configuration changed so that
they know they are secondaries for zope.org. They also need to know
the IP of the primary. They will then automatically fetch zone data
from the primary.

Apart from the first step this is quick and easy to do.

jens

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justizin at siggraph

Sep 26, 2006, 8:48 AM

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On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
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> > I believe a single DNS query over UDP can handle around 20-25 entries,
> > depending on their size.
> >
> > Should be no problem for an 'NS' query for zope.org to point at ten or
> > more hosts which run slave.
> >
> > The question is, does this tool allow that? I imagine so. I know
> > that we set up a local slave in the convention center for SIGGRAPH in
> > Boston this year from our cheapo DNS provider.
>
> I'm not sure what you're trying to explain or ask here. Do you think
> there would be any problem in propagating updates? Well, there won't.
> And I don't see any need for more than 3 DNS servers (including the
> master). DNS is not resource-intensive in any way.
>

Well, since I don't know about the suggested provider, here's my
concern - let's say I manage your DNS on my servers, and you want to
provide your own local servers. How do you get a copy of the latest
zone? Your IP must be listed in my server so that it is allowd to
perform AXFR queries.

All I'm saying is, I assume, hopefully, that this provider will allow
us to specify hosts which are allowed to perform AXFR.

They will also probably provide us with 3-4 hosts which we can use for
DNS. If You, me, and one other person each contribute two IP
addresses on different network, that puts the zope.org zone in pretty
good shape, because various caching nameservers will handle the
trouble of determining which authoritative record is best for them to
use.

DNS may seem like a low-load service, but if you were to run a DNS
provider yourself on a single machine, I challenge you to maintain 90%
uptime. The last time I worked on a large DNS implementation we had
twelve machines in each of two geographic locations - dual xeon
machines with lots of RAM that did nothing but handle round-robin DNS
queries.

IIRC, we had about 100,000 zones, but still, let's think about this
for a moment. Imagine:

* I have www.stupidwebsiteforjerks.com
* Someone hates my stupid website, because it's for jerks
* My DNS records are in the same server as yours
* Someone decides to launch an 8MB/s or so DDoS against my NS
records and my webserver IP.
* Your site starts failing to load for 30-60% of visitors after a few hours.

;)

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justizin at siggraph

Sep 26, 2006, 8:51 AM

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On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
> Andrew Sawyers wrote:
>
> >> Yeah, definitely. And if we go with that tool I volunteer to be
> >> hooked up as a secondary.
>
> > As do I .....
>
> All this DNS volunteering is great! Unfortunately, I'm a bit at a loss
> on how to proceed, as I'm not very familiar with DNS issues.
>
> So, what I need:
>
> * a single contact person for DNS issues that I can contact whenever
> something DNS related is needed, can advise me on these issues should I
> have questions, and who will arrange DNS matters among the three of you.
> I propose it's one of you three (Justizin, Jens, Andrew). Anyone
> volunteering for that?

I'm glad to be the lead, and I'm glad for either of the other guys to
be the lead. ;d

Whoever you decide to nag, I think the three of us can hammer this out.

> * A plan of action worked out between the three of you. I basically need
> to know what needs to be done bureaucratically from the side of Zope
> Corporation and the Foundation to get this arranged. I'll leave the
> actual work to you all - I intend to only be there when stuff needs to
> be expedited somehow.

Okay. We will need:

* A copy of the existing zope.org zone files
* Cooperation from rob [at] zope to change the NS record pointers
* A list of people who need access in ZoneEdit

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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 8:55 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:48, Justizin wrote:
> Well, since I don't know about the suggested provider, here's my
> concern - let's say I manage your DNS on my servers, and you want to
> provide your own local servers. How do you get a copy of the latest
> zone? Your IP must be listed in my server so that it is allowd to
> perform AXFR queries.

Do you know how DNS works? Slaves don't just ask for a transfer willy-
nilly. Slaves are known to the primary and they get told when to ask.

> They will also probably provide us with 3-4 hosts which we can use for
> DNS. If You, me, and one other person each contribute two IP
> addresses on different network, that puts the zope.org zone in pretty
> good shape, because various caching nameservers will handle the
> trouble of determining which authoritative record is best for them to
> use.
>
> DNS may seem like a low-load service, but if you were to run a DNS
> provider yourself on a single machine, I challenge you to maintain 90%
> uptime. The last time I worked on a large DNS implementation we had
> twelve machines in each of two geographic locations - dual xeon
> machines with lots of RAM that did nothing but handle round-robin DNS
> queries.

I have no idea what you are talking about. This is not some huge DNS
service that we need. We need to serve exactly one zone. This can be
done from a Palm Pilot, to be honest. I have run DNS services for
years and years and don't share any of your doubts.

jens

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Sep 26, 2006, 9:00 AM

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On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
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> On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:48, Justizin wrote:
> > Well, since I don't know about the suggested provider, here's my
> > concern - let's say I manage your DNS on my servers, and you want to
> > provide your own local servers. How do you get a copy of the latest
> > zone? Your IP must be listed in my server so that it is allowd to
> > perform AXFR queries.
>
> Do you know how DNS works? Slaves don't just ask for a transfer willy-
> nilly. Slaves are known to the primary and they get told when to ask.
>

I'm not sure this is correct. We should investigate before insulting
each other's intelligence.

I know a great deal about how DNS works, thank you very much. ;)

>
> > They will also probably provide us with 3-4 hosts which we can use for
> > DNS. If You, me, and one other person each contribute two IP
> > addresses on different network, that puts the zope.org zone in pretty
> > good shape, because various caching nameservers will handle the
> > trouble of determining which authoritative record is best for them to
> > use.
> >
> > DNS may seem like a low-load service, but if you were to run a DNS
> > provider yourself on a single machine, I challenge you to maintain 90%
> > uptime. The last time I worked on a large DNS implementation we had
> > twelve machines in each of two geographic locations - dual xeon
> > machines with lots of RAM that did nothing but handle round-robin DNS
> > queries.
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about. This is not some huge DNS
> service that we need. We need to serve exactly one zone. This can be
> done from a Palm Pilot, to be honest. I have run DNS services for
> years and years and don't share any of your doubts.
>

Okay, let's please not make this an argument.

*we* do not have large-scale DNS needs.

However, if we use someone like ZoneEdit.com, their nameservers are
highly loaded. So, as I said, if someone decides to launch a DNS
attack on ns1.zoneedit.com or whatever, it can affect the availability
of zope.org, unless there are alternates, which is what we all
propose.

It's a sad logical fallacy for you to state that because you have
never seen this problem, it does not exist. I spent nearly three
years as an engineer at one of the world's largest provider of managed
internet services, and I can tell you that NS.RACKSPACE.COM and
NS2.RACKSPACE.COM are hit multiple times a year by 8MB/s or greater
DDoS attack.

This was in a datacenter with 9GB/s of bandwidth via multiple OC-48 connections.

It's important.

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Sep 26, 2006, 9:06 AM

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>
> Okay. We will need:
>
> * A copy of the existing zope.org zone files
> * Cooperation from rob [at] zope to change the NS record pointers
> * A list of people who need access in ZoneEdit
>

I have a fresh ZoneEdit account open with five free zones, and I can
directly import an entire BIND Zone, so I suggest this path. It looks
quick and easy.

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Sep 26, 2006, 9:07 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:00, Justizin wrote:
>> Do you know how DNS works? Slaves don't just ask for a transfer
>> willy-
>> nilly. Slaves are known to the primary and they get told when to ask.
>>
>
> I'm not sure this is correct. We should investigate before insulting
> each other's intelligence.

This is exactly how it has correctly worked for me for years working
with bind-based nameservers. You can always set up "rogue"
secondaries that purport to serve zope.org, which then would have to
be allowed to manually pull zone data, but what would be the point of
that..?

> It's a sad logical fallacy for you to state that because you have
> never seen this problem, it does not exist. I spent nearly three
> years as an engineer at one of the world's largest provider of managed
> internet services, and I can tell you that NS.RACKSPACE.COM and
> NS2.RACKSPACE.COM are hit multiple times a year by 8MB/s or greater
> DDoS attack.
>
> This was in a datacenter with 9GB/s of bandwidth via multiple OC-48
> connections.

Sorry, I don't buy your argument. First of all, big companies like
Rackspace will always be an attractive target. We're talking about
one piddling open source project here. Secondly, you're omitting the
need for economy/sanity. Rackspace has a strong economical need to be
up 24/7. Yes, you could put 20 secondaries into the zope.org DNS
structure, but what is the point? You will never need that capacity
in your life. 3 total is plenty. With 20 secondaries you also have 20
cats to herd, meaning 20 people who own and manage those secondaries.

jens

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Sep 26, 2006, 9:17 AM

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I don't understand what you are debating, really. Could you clarify?
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Sep 26, 2006, 9:20 AM

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On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
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> On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:00, Justizin wrote:
> >> Do you know how DNS works? Slaves don't just ask for a transfer
> >> willy-
> >> nilly. Slaves are known to the primary and they get told when to ask.
> >>
> >
> > I'm not sure this is correct. We should investigate before insulting
> > each other's intelligence.
>
> This is exactly how it has correctly worked for me for years working
> with bind-based nameservers. You can always set up "rogue"
> secondaries that purport to serve zope.org, which then would have to
> be allowed to manually pull zone data, but what would be the point of
> that..?
>

Okay, that's not what I'm suggesting. Whether you run it by hand or
not, with BIND, you would use named-xfer, which executes an AXFR
request.

So, if the master has to know about the slaves to *tell* them to grab
the zone, then it knows about them to *allow* an AXFR, no?

Why are we arguing this? It's pretty clear at this point that
ZoneEdit can handle this need. I wasn't familiar with it off-hand.

What I *do* know is that I can't pull an AXFR query of google.com and
get the entire Zone, not from my local machine, which is not an
approved DNS slave.

>
> > It's a sad logical fallacy for you to state that because you have
> > never seen this problem, it does not exist. I spent nearly three
> > years as an engineer at one of the world's largest provider of managed
> > internet services, and I can tell you that NS.RACKSPACE.COM and
> > NS2.RACKSPACE.COM are hit multiple times a year by 8MB/s or greater
> > DDoS attack.
> >
> > This was in a datacenter with 9GB/s of bandwidth via multiple OC-48
> > connections.
>
> Sorry, I don't buy your argument. First of all, big companies like
> Rackspace will always be an attractive target. We're talking about
> one piddling open source project here. Secondly, you're omitting the
> need for economy/sanity. Rackspace has a strong economical need to be
> up 24/7. Yes, you could put 20 secondaries into the zope.org DNS
> structure, but what is the point? You will never need that capacity
> in your life. 3 total is plenty. With 20 secondaries you also have 20
> cats to herd, meaning 20 people who own and manage those secondaries.
>

(a) ZoneEdit probably has more zones than Rackspace, which is
classified in Texas as a Small Business. ZoneEdit is well known
enough that a handful of people on this small mailing list know of it.
People don't quite always target Rackspace, they often targetted
specific Rackspace customers. Someone might target ZoneEdit.

(b) None of this matters because three of us offered to host slaves!
Why are you arguing against doing something you volunteered to do?

And why do you think I am trying to "sell" an argument? I'm telling
you - it was my job to run a big DNS infrastructure. Judging by
"ns12.zoneedit.com" and "ns10.zoneedit.com" which have been allocated
to the zope.org zone I set up, ZoneEdit is running a similar magnitude
of infrastructure.

On the other side of the coin, btw, if ZoneEdit is small fries in
comparison to Rackspace, maybe that's a good reason not to rely on
them as the only nameservers for zope.org. If their provider goes out
for a few hours, we want zope.org to be available to the world.

I think you are exagerrating the extent to which my suggestion makes
this complicated.

My suggestion: "Since several of us volunteer to donate DNS services
to zope.org, let's all provide services, as DNS servers are known,
from time to time, for various reasons, to go down."

If you disagree with that, then please, by all means, explain why.
Otherwise, let go. We're all very smart. Let's make things happen.

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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 9:21 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:17, Lennart Regebro wrote:

> I don't understand what you are debating, really. Could you clarify?

This is about propagating data from the primary DNS server (which
would be that service Andrew suggested) to the databases held on the
secondary DNS servers. It is a fully automatic process, under normal
circumstances.

There's also the question how many secondary servers we need, or how
much DNS serving capacity. Most "normal" domains have one primary and
one secondary server. I suggest one primary and two secondaries.

jens

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Sep 26, 2006, 9:23 AM

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I second the motion.

On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
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> On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:17, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>
> > I don't understand what you are debating, really. Could you clarify?
>
> This is about propagating data from the primary DNS server (which
> would be that service Andrew suggested) to the databases held on the
> secondary DNS servers. It is a fully automatic process, under normal
> circumstances.

Except for initial configuration, which we are working on now. ;)

> There's also the question how many secondary servers we need, or how
> much DNS serving capacity. Most "normal" domains have one primary and
> one secondary server. I suggest one primary and two secondaries.
>

I second this motion!

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jens at dataflake

Sep 26, 2006, 9:26 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:20, Justizin wrote:
> (a) ZoneEdit probably has more zones than Rackspace, which is
> classified in Texas as a Small Business. ZoneEdit is well known
> enough that a handful of people on this small mailing list know of it.
> People don't quite always target Rackspace, they often targetted
> specific Rackspace customers. Someone might target ZoneEdit.

I meant specifically zope.org as the target for attack, not ZoneEdit.
Even if ZoneEdit is targeted, two secondaries is still enough.

> (b) None of this matters because three of us offered to host slaves!
> Why are you arguing against doing something you volunteered to do?

I'm not. I'm arguing against the higher number of secondaries that
you suggested earlier. Two secondaries is enough.

jens

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Sep 26, 2006, 9:51 AM

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On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
> I'm not. I'm arguing against the higher number of secondaries that
> you suggested earlier. Two secondaries is enough.

I'm guessing that's fine too. I haven't had any problems for four
years, as mentioned, and i don't have secondaries, cuz I'm too lazy.
:-)
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Sep 26, 2006, 9:55 AM

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On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:51, Lennart Regebro wrote:

> On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
>> I'm not. I'm arguing against the higher number of secondaries that
>> you suggested earlier. Two secondaries is enough.
>
> I'm guessing that's fine too. I haven't had any problems for four
> years, as mentioned, and i don't have secondaries, cuz I'm too lazy.
> :-)

Now I know where to point *my* DNS DOS scripts ;)

jens

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Sep 26, 2006, 10:18 AM

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Justizin wrote:
> On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
[snip]
> I'm glad to be the lead, and I'm glad for either of the other guys to
> be the lead. ;d

You're the only one volunteering for this right now, as far as I can
see, so if you think you and Jens can get along after this DNS
initiation rite or whatever you two were having just now, you're now the
official lead. :) Great, thanks!

> Whoever you decide to nag, I think the three of us can hammer this out.

Excellent. By the way, are you a Zope Foundation member in any way? I'm
not sure whether it matters at this stage, just checking.

>> * A plan of action worked out between the three of you. I basically need
>> to know what needs to be done bureaucratically from the side of Zope
>> Corporation and the Foundation to get this arranged. I'll leave the
>> actual work to you all - I intend to only be there when stuff needs to
>> be expedited somehow.
>
> Okay. We will need:
>
> * A copy of the existing zope.org zone files
> * Cooperation from rob [at] zope to change the NS record pointers
> * A list of people who need access in ZoneEdit

I will contact Rob and try to get the ball rolling. I'll pass it back to
you guys as soon as possible.

Regards,

Martijn

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Sep 26, 2006, 11:01 AM

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> > Whoever you decide to nag, I think the three of us can hammer this out.
>
> Excellent. By the way, are you a Zope Foundation member in any way? I'm
> not sure whether it matters at this stage, just checking.
>

Nope. Is there an organizational membership option? ;)

> >> * A plan of action worked out between the three of you. I basically need
> >> to know what needs to be done bureaucratically from the side of Zope
> >> Corporation and the Foundation to get this arranged. I'll leave the
> >> actual work to you all - I intend to only be there when stuff needs to
> >> be expedited somehow.
> >
> > Okay. We will need:
> >
> > * A copy of the existing zope.org zone files
> > * Cooperation from rob [at] zope to change the NS record pointers
> > * A list of people who need access in ZoneEdit
>
> I will contact Rob and try to get the ball rolling. I'll pass it back to
> you guys as soon as possible.
>

Mille Grazie.

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rob.page at zope

Sep 26, 2006, 1:51 PM

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Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed
Warning: (db.zope.org).
Warning: Please read the "zc-Attachment-Warning.txt" attachment(s) for more information.

Hello eveyrone:

Martijn shared with me the great news - DNS
volunteers! :^) Fantastic news!!

Attached is the zone file for zope.org. I can change
the zope.org nameservers as soon as someone gives me
their IPs. I lurk on zweb and will try and pay
particular attention in the next few days to make the
nameserver config switch.

I'm copying Mark and Chris at ZC - two of our capable
SAs so they see this is moving forward.

Regards,
Rob

P.S. - Obviously we can't delegate the reverse zone -
for most hosts this is a nicety - for some
(e.g., mail) it's imperative. It would be nice
if we periodically (e.g., once per month?) got a
zope.org reverse snippet that we can use to keep
our network reverse zone up-to-date. Thanks!

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Sep 26, 2006, 5:00 PM

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Okay.

ZoneEdit's import is broken, but zope.org zone is imported into their database.

Who wants to run a slave?

On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
> Justizin wrote:
> > On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
> [snip]
> > I'm glad to be the lead, and I'm glad for either of the other guys to
> > be the lead. ;d
>
> You're the only one volunteering for this right now, as far as I can
> see, so if you think you and Jens can get along after this DNS
> initiation rite or whatever you two were having just now, you're now the
> official lead. :) Great, thanks!
>
> > Whoever you decide to nag, I think the three of us can hammer this out.
>
> Excellent. By the way, are you a Zope Foundation member in any way? I'm
> not sure whether it matters at this stage, just checking.
>
> >> * A plan of action worked out between the three of you. I basically need
> >> to know what needs to be done bureaucratically from the side of Zope
> >> Corporation and the Foundation to get this arranged. I'll leave the
> >> actual work to you all - I intend to only be there when stuff needs to
> >> be expedited somehow.
> >
> > Okay. We will need:
> >
> > * A copy of the existing zope.org zone files
> > * Cooperation from rob [at] zope to change the NS record pointers
> > * A list of people who need access in ZoneEdit
>
> I will contact Rob and try to get the ball rolling. I'll pass it back to
> you guys as soon as possible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>

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andrew at sawdog

Sep 26, 2006, 5:41 PM

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If ya'll think 2's enough and your handling it; no worries. If we want
another, I can do it also.

Cheers,
A

On 9/26/06 8:00 PM, "Justizin" <justizin [at] siggraph> wrote:

> Okay.
>
> ZoneEdit's import is broken, but zope.org zone is imported into their
> database.
>
> Who wants to run a slave?
>
> On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
>> Justizin wrote:
>>> On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> I'm glad to be the lead, and I'm glad for either of the other guys to
>>> be the lead. ;d
>>
>> You're the only one volunteering for this right now, as far as I can
>> see, so if you think you and Jens can get along after this DNS
>> initiation rite or whatever you two were having just now, you're now the
>> official lead. :) Great, thanks!
>>
>>> Whoever you decide to nag, I think the three of us can hammer this out.
>>
>> Excellent. By the way, are you a Zope Foundation member in any way? I'm
>> not sure whether it matters at this stage, just checking.
>>
>>>> * A plan of action worked out between the three of you. I basically need
>>>> to know what needs to be done bureaucratically from the side of Zope
>>>> Corporation and the Foundation to get this arranged. I'll leave the
>>>> actual work to you all - I intend to only be there when stuff needs to
>>>> be expedited somehow.
>>>
>>> Okay. We will need:
>>>
>>> * A copy of the existing zope.org zone files
>>> * Cooperation from rob [at] zope to change the NS record pointers
>>> * A list of people who need access in ZoneEdit
>>
>> I will contact Rob and try to get the ball rolling. I'll pass it back to
>> you guys as soon as possible.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>>
>>
>

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Sep 26, 2006, 6:10 PM

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I haven't even got my responder up yet, to be honest.

I'll be moving my domains to zoneedit at the same time as zope.org.

I assume one of these is yours, and one of them jens' ?

cabana.palladion.com 69.44.155.17
ns1.dataflake.org 8.7.96.28

On 9/26/06, Andrew Sawyers <andrew [at] sawdog> wrote:
> If ya'll think 2's enough and your handling it; no worries. If we want
> another, I can do it also.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
>
> On 9/26/06 8:00 PM, "Justizin" <justizin [at] siggraph> wrote:
>
> > Okay.
> >
> > ZoneEdit's import is broken, but zope.org zone is imported into their
> > database.
> >
> > Who wants to run a slave?
> >
> > On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
> >> Justizin wrote:
> >>> On 9/26/06, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] infrae> wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>> I'm glad to be the lead, and I'm glad for either of the other guys to
> >>> be the lead. ;d
> >>
> >> You're the only one volunteering for this right now, as far as I can
> >> see, so if you think you and Jens can get along after this DNS
> >> initiation rite or whatever you two were having just now, you're now the
> >> official lead. :) Great, thanks!
> >>
> >>> Whoever you decide to nag, I think the three of us can hammer this out.
> >>
> >> Excellent. By the way, are you a Zope Foundation member in any way? I'm
> >> not sure whether it matters at this stage, just checking.
> >>
> >>>> * A plan of action worked out between the three of you. I basically need
> >>>> to know what needs to be done bureaucratically from the side of Zope
> >>>> Corporation and the Foundation to get this arranged. I'll leave the
> >>>> actual work to you all - I intend to only be there when stuff needs to
> >>>> be expedited somehow.
> >>>
> >>> Okay. We will need:
> >>>
> >>> * A copy of the existing zope.org zone files
> >>> * Cooperation from rob [at] zope to change the NS record pointers
> >>> * A list of people who need access in ZoneEdit
> >>
> >> I will contact Rob and try to get the ball rolling. I'll pass it back to
> >> you guys as soon as possible.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Martijn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>

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Sep 27, 2006, 12:52 AM

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Justizin wrote:
> I haven't even got my responder up yet, to be honest.
>
> I'll be moving my domains to zoneedit at the same time as zope.org.
>
> I assume one of these is yours, and one of them jens' ?
>
> cabana.palladion.com 69.44.155.17

That'll be Tres (cc'ed in 'cos I don't know if he's on this list)

> ns1.dataflake.org 8.7.96.28

That'll be Jens.

cheers,

Chris

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jens at dataflake

Sep 27, 2006, 1:24 AM

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Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: http://namespaces.zope.org/zope ) [In reply to]

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On 27 Sep 2006, at 02:00, Justizin wrote:

> Okay.
>
> ZoneEdit's import is broken, but zope.org zone is imported into
> their database.
>
> Who wants to run a slave?

ns1.dataflake.org

I need to know the master IP to set it up.

jens

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jens at dataflake

Sep 27, 2006, 1:26 AM

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On 27 Sep 2006, at 09:52, Chris Withers wrote:

> Justizin wrote:
>> I haven't even got my responder up yet, to be honest.
>> I'll be moving my domains to zoneedit at the same time as zope.org.
>> I assume one of these is yours, and one of them jens' ?
>> cabana.palladion.com 69.44.155.17
>
> That'll be Tres (cc'ed in 'cos I don't know if he's on this list)

Tres has nothing to do with this. The fact that his server happens to
be one of my own zone slaves does not mean I am volunteering someone
else's server.

jens

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faassen at infrae

Sep 27, 2006, 1:48 AM

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Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: http://namespaces.zope.org/zope ) [In reply to]

Justizin wrote:
>> > Whoever you decide to nag, I think the three of us can hammer this out.
>>
>> Excellent. By the way, are you a Zope Foundation member in any way? I'm
>> not sure whether it matters at this stage, just checking.
>>
>
> Nope. Is there an organizational membership option? ;)

I'm not sure, depends on what you mean by that? :)

Regards,

Martijn
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andrew at sawdog

Sep 27, 2006, 6:22 AM

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Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: http://namespaces.zope.org/zope ) [In reply to]

You didn't cc tres - but I'm sitting next to him, and informed him *we*
volunteered cabana if we want it.....Tres actually doesn't use cabana as a
nameserver - mainly me (unless the other guys have changed how the have
their domains setup).

A

On 9/27/06 3:52 AM, "Chris Withers" <chris [at] simplistix> wrote:

> Justizin wrote:
>> I haven't even got my responder up yet, to be honest.
>>
>> I'll be moving my domains to zoneedit at the same time as zope.org.
>>
>> I assume one of these is yours, and one of them jens' ?
>>
>> cabana.palladion.com 69.44.155.17
>
> That'll be Tres (cc'ed in 'cos I don't know if he's on this list)
>
>> ns1.dataflake.org 8.7.96.28
>
> That'll be Jens.
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris

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Sep 27, 2006, 6:47 AM

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Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: http://namespaces.zope.org/zope ) [In reply to]

Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> You didn't cc tres

Yeah, I know, but since Jens shouted at me shortly afterwards, I didn't
think I'd rectify the situation ;-)

Chris

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tseaver at palladion

Sep 27, 2006, 7:01 AM

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ndrew Sawyers wrote:
> You didn't cc tres - but I'm sitting next to him, and informed him *we*
> volunteered cabana if we want it.....Tres actually doesn't use cabana as a
> nameserver - mainly me (unless the other guys have changed how the have
> their domains setup).

cabana is my *primary* nameserver for palladion / agendaless.

Tres.
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justizin at siggraph

Sep 27, 2006, 12:09 PM

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Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: http://namespaces.zope.org/zope ) [In reply to]

Thanks to both of you.

On 9/27/06, Andrew Sawyers <andrew [at] sawdog> wrote:
> You didn't cc tres - but I'm sitting next to him, and informed him *we*
> volunteered cabana if we want it.....Tres actually doesn't use cabana as a
> nameserver - mainly me (unless the other guys have changed how the have
> their domains setup).
>
> A
>
>
> On 9/27/06 3:52 AM, "Chris Withers" <chris [at] simplistix> wrote:
>
> > Justizin wrote:
> >> I haven't even got my responder up yet, to be honest.
> >>
> >> I'll be moving my domains to zoneedit at the same time as zope.org.
> >>
> >> I assume one of these is yours, and one of them jens' ?
> >>
> >> cabana.palladion.com 69.44.155.17
> >
> > That'll be Tres (cc'ed in 'cos I don't know if he's on this list)
> >
> >> ns1.dataflake.org 8.7.96.28
> >
> > That'll be Jens.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Chris
>
>
>

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