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dingo at microbsd

May 21, 2002, 3:22 AM

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Majordomo & DBmail

Okay im stumped, ive installed majordomo mailing list but run dbmail,
majordomo create list aliases

Majordomo-Owner: dingo [at] microbsd
majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
microbsd-discussion: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
microbsd-discussion microbsd-discussion-list"
microbsd-discussion-list:
:include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/microbsd-discussion
owner-microbsd-discussion: dingo [at] microbsd
microbsd-discussion-owner: dingo [at] microbsd
microbsd-discussion-approval: dingo [at] microbsd
microbsd-discussion-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
microbsd-discussion"

in /etc/aliases, but when running dbmail these arent recognized, so how does
one inplement majordomo with dbmail and the wrapper needed to run lists??

Has anyone done this ?? if so HOW??

kerberus at microbsd

May 22, 2002, 2:58 AM

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majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

kerberus at microbsd

May 22, 2002, 4:02 AM

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Re: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

okay wait, is postfix using your aliases file ?? cause its not on mine setup,
so if i understand correctly postfix manages the aliases not dbmail ??

heres my postfix conf

# ALIAS DATABASE
#
# The alias_maps parameter specifies the list of alias databases used
# by the local delivery agent. The default list is system dependent.
# On systems with NIS, the default is to search the local alias
# database, then the NIS alias database. See aliases(5) for syntax
# details.
#
# If you change the alias database, run "postalias /etc/aliases" (or
# wherever your system stores the mail alias file), or simply run
# "newaliases" to build the necessary DBM or DB file.
#
# It will take a minute or so before changes become visible. Use
# "postfix reload" to eliminate the delay.
#
#alias_maps = dbm:/etc/aliases
#alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
#alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, nis:mail.aliases
#alias_maps = netinfo:/aliases

# The alias_database parameter specifies the alias database(s) that
# are built with "newaliases" or "sendmail -bi". This is a separate
# configuration parameter, because alias_maps (see above) may specify
# tables that are not necessarily all under control by Postfix.
#
#alias_database = dbm:/etc/aliases
#alias_database = dbm:/etc/aliases
#alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
#alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/opt/majordomo/aliases

which of these needs to be uncommented ??

On Wednesday 22 May 2002 10:33 am, Dave Logan wrote:
> Here's the entries I have in my aliases file for my one
> list (dbmail+postfix):
>
> secoutbound: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R
> -l SecOut
> Bound -f secoutbound-owner [at] list -h
> list.dsp-services.com -s sec
> outbound-outgoing [at] list"
> owner-secoutbound: davel
> secoutbound-owner: davel
> secoutbound-approval: davel
> secoutbound-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/secoutbound
> owner-secoutbound-outgoing: davel
>
> list name is 'secoutbound'
> "listens" on @list.dsp-services.com
> "list.dsp-services.com local:" in transport
> It behaves as I'd expect it to when I send mail to
> "secoutbound [at] list"
>
> Hope that helps some...

dingo at microbsd

May 22, 2002, 4:12 AM

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Re: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

I just uncommented the aliases part of my postfix conf and honestly restarted
postfix, and sent mail to majordomo [at] microbsd and as usual it bounces with
no such user.

On Wednesday 22 May 2002 10:33 am, Dave Logan wrote:
> Here's the entries I have in my aliases file for my one
> list (dbmail+postfix):
>
> secoutbound: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R
> -l SecOut
> Bound -f secoutbound-owner [at] list -h
> list.dsp-services.com -s sec
> outbound-outgoing [at] list"
> owner-secoutbound: davel
> secoutbound-owner: davel
> secoutbound-approval: davel
> secoutbound-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/secoutbound
> owner-secoutbound-outgoing: davel
>
> list name is 'secoutbound'
> "listens" on @list.dsp-services.com
> "list.dsp-services.com local:" in transport
> It behaves as I'd expect it to when I send mail to
> "secoutbound [at] list"
>
> Hope that helps some...

dingo at microbsd

May 22, 2002, 4:26 AM

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Re: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

Yupp i rebuilt the aliases with postmap, ive been beating on this for 2 days
now, cant seem to figure out why postfix doesnt see my aliases

On Wednesday 22 May 2002 11:24 am, Christopher Petrilli wrote:
> On 5/22/02 7:12 AM, "OutBack Dingo" <dingo [at] microbsd> wrote:
> > I just uncommented the aliases part of my postfix conf and honestly
> > restarted postfix, and sent mail to majordomo [at] microbsd and as usual
> > it bounces with no such user.
>
> Did you rebuild the database files? You use $POSTFIX/sbin/postmap to do
> this.
>
> Chris

dingo at microbsd

May 22, 2002, 4:38 AM

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Re: Re[2]: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

Okay now im really confused. the name of the machine its physically on is

mail.microbsd.net

i have postfix and dbmail runnning fine on that machine!

now id like to add majordomo, so i installed the software, it created aliases
in /etc/aliases for the lists

i did NOT add a user "majordomo" with dbmail-adduser

but

1. postfix doesnt see the /etc/aliases
2. the system name is mail.microbsd.net
3. What do i need to do

Signed

Getting Frustrated with mail

On Wednesday 22 May 2002 11:32 am, Jeff Brenton wrote:
> Just a thought, but...
>
> If this machine is NOT named 'list.dsp-services.com', then you need to
> use the virtual table, not the aliases table, for this function.

dingo at microbsd

May 22, 2002, 7:02 AM

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Re: Re[4]: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

Okay so far majordomo thank to the insight of Jeff Brenton & Dave Logan is
working as suggested! now if kmail would only recognize a subscription
process, someone want top try to subscribe to

majordomo [at] mail

subscribe microbsd-discussion youremail [at] domain

and let me know the results! kmail doesnt want to comply with the auth reply.
so I cant verify the list is 100% working

> Have you tried sending to 'majordomo [at] mail', to see if it
> bounces? It should NOT, because postfix will recognize this as a local
> address, and should apply the /etc/aliases table to it.
>
> If that works, then make the following 2 entries in the file
> /etc/postfix/virtual:
>
> list.dsp-services.com placeholder
> majordomo [at] list majordomo
>
> run 'postmap /etc/postfix/virtual' on the saved file.
>
> Tell postfix about the virtual domain table by adding this line to
> main.cf:
>
> virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
>
> *Now* the mail for 'majordomo [at] list' should be put in
> the majordomo mailbox.
>
> OD> now id like to add majordomo, so i installed the software, it created
> aliases OD> in /etc/aliases for the lists
>
> OD> i did NOT add a user "majordomo" with dbmail-adduser
>
> OD> but
>
> OD> 1. postfix doesnt see the /etc/aliases
> OD> 2. the system name is mail.microbsd.net
> OD> 3. What do i need to do
>
> To summarize, postfix ONLY looks at the aliases table for the local
> machine/domain. That is, whatever is covered by the 'myhostname' and
> 'mydomain' variables. Anything else will be ignored, as far as the
> /etc/aliases table is concerned.
>
> The majordomo install obviously assumes that the host name matches the
> list address...
>
> Please note: All of this is based upon my reading of the postfix
> documentation, the Sams Postfix book, and trying to beat a
> multi-domain server into shape. I am NOT running any list managers
> right now, so I haven't gone through exactly what you're doing.
>
> OD> Getting Frustrated with mail
>
> Could be worse - could be sendmail! B-)

davel at kci

May 22, 2002, 7:33 AM

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Re: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

Here's the entries I have in my aliases file for my one
list (dbmail+postfix):

secoutbound: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R
-l SecOut
Bound -f secoutbound-owner [at] list -h
list.dsp-services.com -s sec
outbound-outgoing [at] list"
owner-secoutbound: davel
secoutbound-owner: davel
secoutbound-approval: davel
secoutbound-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/secoutbound
owner-secoutbound-outgoing: davel

list name is 'secoutbound'
"listens" on @list.dsp-services.com
"list.dsp-services.com local:" in transport
It behaves as I'd expect it to when I send mail to
"secoutbound [at] list"

Hope that helps some...

--
Fight the Power
Dave Logan - Kentec Communications - Network Operations Center

"There is no right to fair use. Fair use is a defense against
infringement."
- Preston Padden, head of government relations for Walt Disney Company

petrilli at amber

May 22, 2002, 8:24 AM

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Re: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

On 5/22/02 7:12 AM, "OutBack Dingo" <dingo [at] microbsd> wrote:

> I just uncommented the aliases part of my postfix conf and honestly restarted
> postfix, and sent mail to majordomo [at] microbsd and as usual it bounces with
> no such user.

Did you rebuild the database files? You use $POSTFIX/sbin/postmap to do
this.

Chris
--
| Christopher Petrilli
| petrilli [at] amber

jeffb at espi

May 22, 2002, 8:32 AM

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Re[2]: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

Just a thought, but...

If this machine is NOT named 'list.dsp-services.com', then you need to
use the virtual table, not the aliases table, for this function.

DL> Here's the entries I have in my aliases file for my one
DL> list (dbmail+postfix):

DL> secoutbound: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R
DL> -l SecOut
DL> Bound -f secoutbound-owner [at] list -h
DL> list.dsp-services.com -s sec
DL> outbound-outgoing [at] list"
DL> owner-secoutbound: davel
DL> secoutbound-owner: davel
DL> secoutbound-approval: davel
DL> secoutbound-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/secoutbound
DL> owner-secoutbound-outgoing: davel

DL> list name is 'secoutbound'
DL> "listens" on @list.dsp-services.com
DL> "list.dsp-services.com local:" in transport
DL> It behaves as I'd expect it to when I send mail to
DL> "secoutbound [at] list"

DL> Hope that helps some...

--
Jeff Brenton
President,
Engineered Software Products, Inc
http://espi.com
Questionable web page: http://dididahdahdidit.com

Liberalism grants you the freedom to advocate any idea*.
* Please see http://www.dididahdahdidit.com/except.php for a
current list of exceptions

jeffb at espi

May 22, 2002, 9:14 AM

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Re[4]: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

OD> Okay now im really confused. the name of the machine its physically on is
OD> mail.microbsd.net
OD> i have postfix and dbmail runnning fine on that machine!

Have you tried sending to 'majordomo [at] mail', to see if it
bounces? It should NOT, because postfix will recognize this as a local
address, and should apply the /etc/aliases table to it.

If that works, then make the following 2 entries in the file
/etc/postfix/virtual:

list.dsp-services.com placeholder
majordomo [at] list majordomo

run 'postmap /etc/postfix/virtual' on the saved file.

Tell postfix about the virtual domain table by adding this line to
main.cf:

virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

*Now* the mail for 'majordomo [at] list' should be put in
the majordomo mailbox.

OD> now id like to add majordomo, so i installed the software, it created aliases
OD> in /etc/aliases for the lists

OD> i did NOT add a user "majordomo" with dbmail-adduser

OD> but

OD> 1. postfix doesnt see the /etc/aliases
OD> 2. the system name is mail.microbsd.net
OD> 3. What do i need to do

To summarize, postfix ONLY looks at the aliases table for the local
machine/domain. That is, whatever is covered by the 'myhostname' and
'mydomain' variables. Anything else will be ignored, as far as the
/etc/aliases table is concerned.

The majordomo install obviously assumes that the host name matches the
list address...

Please note: All of this is based upon my reading of the postfix
documentation, the Sams Postfix book, and trying to beat a
multi-domain server into shape. I am NOT running any list managers
right now, so I haven't gone through exactly what you're doing.

OD> Getting Frustrated with mail

Could be worse - could be sendmail! B-)

--
Jeff Brenton
President,
Engineered Software Products, Inc
http://espi.com
Questionable web page: http://dididahdahdidit.com

Liberalism grants you the freedom to advocate any idea*.
* Please see http://www.dididahdahdidit.com/except.php for a
current list of exceptions

davel at kci

May 22, 2002, 9:33 AM

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Re: majordomo & DBmail [In reply to]

OK, so for my setup, the machine _does_ answer to the name
'mail.dsp-services.com', and it's entered in 'transport', not
in 'virtual'.
I don't have any entry in main.cf for "alias maps".
My setup works, perhaps it shouldn't.

--
Fight the Power
Dave Logan - Kentec Communications - Network Operations Center

"There is no right to fair use. Fair use is a defense against
infringement."
- Preston Padden, head of government relations for Walt Disney Company

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