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greminn at gmail

Jul 5, 2012, 1:37 PM

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Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2

Hi There,

We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird issue(s):

1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.

2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No Recipients" and "No Subject"

Ive tried with some other email clients and cant replicate the issue, so it seems its the Apple Mail client's issue.. has anyone else seen this and/or know of a fix or workaround?

Thanks!

Simon
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h.reindl at thelounge

Jul 5, 2012, 1:40 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Am 05.07.2012 22:37, schrieb Simon:
> Hi There,
>
> We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird issue(s):
>
> 1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.
>
> 2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No Recipients" and "No Subject"
>
> Ive tried with some other email clients and cant replicate the issue, so it seems its the Apple Mail client's issue.. has anyone else seen this and/or know of a fix or workaround?

not really, but i have seen so many issues with apple clients
the last years starting with a lot of fidderent "sent"-folders
from different mail.app an d differsent iOS versions, each containing
some messages

if there is no really good reason throw away any apple mail-client
and replace it with thunderbird
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greminn at gmail

Jul 5, 2012, 1:54 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 6/07/2012, at 8:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

> Am 05.07.2012 22:37, schrieb Simon:
>> Hi There,
>>
>> We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird issue(s):
>>
>> 1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.
>>
>> 2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No Recipients" and "No Subject"
>>
>> Ive tried with some other email clients and cant replicate the issue, so it seems its the Apple Mail client's issue.. has anyone else seen this and/or know of a fix or workaround?
>
> not really, but i have seen so many issues with apple clients
> the last years starting with a lot of fidderent "sent"-folders
> from different mail.app an d differsent iOS versions, each containing
> some messages
>
> if there is no really good reason throw away any apple mail-client
> and replace it with thunderbird

Oh i agree with you... :D

But that does not work in the real world with normal users... Move the client from their fav apple mail app to thunderbird all hell will brake loose :) Sorry but "move your client to another app" is really not an answer for any technical issue (but one that i hear all the time).

The client is more likely to say "we will find another supplier" than "yes we will move to thunderbird as the mail server software you said was so great does not work will apple mail".

I understand dbmail is open source, im not asking people to drop everything and "just fix it", im just checking to see if any one as seen this issue and or would understand how to go about trying to solve it before i move them to another mail server....

Thanks!

Simon



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h.reindl at thelounge

Jul 5, 2012, 2:06 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Am 05.07.2012 22:54, schrieb Simon:
>
> On 6/07/2012, at 8:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> not really, but i have seen so many issues with apple clients
>> the last years starting with a lot of fidderent "sent"-folders
>> from different mail.app an d differsent iOS versions, each containing
>> some messages
>>
>> if there is no really good reason throw away any apple mail-client
>> and replace it with thunderbird
>
> Oh i agree with you... :D
>
> But that does not work in the real world with normal users...
> Move the client from their fav apple mail app to thunderbird all
> hell will brake loose :)

yes and no :-)

some are glad to see there is better software
some are ignorant

> I understand dbmail is open source, im not asking people to drop everything
> and "just fix it", im just checking to see if any one as seen this issue and
> or would understand how to go about trying to solve it before i move them to
> another mail server....

i doubt move to another mail-server is not the solution
in the worst case you satisfy one mail-client while you
are introducing troubles to others worked before

we were running a long time (way too long) apple servers
and while for me it was normal to get a new mail and see
it in my inbox on linux with thunderbird my boss has even
to restart mail.app sometimes because "fetch mails" did not
anything

i am maintaining the mail systems since summer 2009
in the meantime i know "hey a apple client" after few
seconds wathcing at "cat maillog | grep -i error" or
"cat maillog | grep -i failed" (most time because sending
without authentication and trying every 5 minutes without
notify the user) sometimes over months for the same mail
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on my homepage some complaints to apple which was
deleted with the reason "rant" :-)

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daniel at gosi

Jul 5, 2012, 2:35 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Hi Simon,

I can feel your pain. One of my customers  runs roughly 25-30 Apple clients (Macs, iPhones, iPads, etc.) against dbmail 2.x and I havent seen any problem like the two you described.

I am sure Paul will give it a shot but you need to provide him with the proper logs for him to be able to dig up the issue.

The problems Harald describes are known to me and also happend to me but not just on dbmail, got those on Courier IMAP as well as dovecot. I assume that is truely the Apple clients screwing up.

So if you need a Mac guy helping you to debug the problem let me know.

Kind regards,
Daniel

PS: sadly only the INBOX folder is the same almost everywhere. I have seen quite a few webmail/mail clients using different names for the sent folder for example.Simon <greminn [at] gmail> hat geschrieben:Hi There,

We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird issue(s):

1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.

2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No Recipients" and "No Subject"

Ive tried with some other email clients and cant replicate the issue, so it seems its the Apple Mail client's issue.. has anyone else seen this and/or know of a fix or workaround?

Thanks!

Simon
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greminn at gmail

Jul 5, 2012, 2:54 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 6/07/2012, at 9:35 AM, Daniel Urstöger wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> I can feel your pain. One of my customers runs roughly 25-30 Apple clients (Macs, iPhones, iPads, etc.) against dbmail 2.x and I havent seen any problem like the two you described.

Yes - our main customer dbmail cluster (1500+ mailboxes and 200GB+ data) runs on 2.x and does not have these issues with Apple Mail clients. Its just that this particular client wanted their own VM with their own "private mail cloud" :)

>
> I am sure Paul will give it a shot but you need to provide him with the proper logs for him to be able to dig up the issue.

And happy to provide all the proper logs... would someone be able to give me a quick outline as to what i should grab?

Thanks

Simon

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greminn at gmail

Jul 9, 2012, 2:31 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 6/07/2012, at 9:54 AM, Simon wrote:

>
> On 6/07/2012, at 9:35 AM, Daniel Urstöger wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> I can feel your pain. One of my customers runs roughly 25-30 Apple clients (Macs, iPhones, iPads, etc.) against dbmail 2.x and I havent seen any problem like the two you described.
>
> Yes - our main customer dbmail cluster (1500+ mailboxes and 200GB+ data) runs on 2.x and does not have these issues with Apple Mail clients. Its just that this particular client wanted their own VM with their own "private mail cloud" :)
>
>>
>> I am sure Paul will give it a shot but you need to provide him with the proper logs for him to be able to dig up the issue.
>
> And happy to provide all the proper logs... would someone be able to give me a quick outline as to what i should grab?

Ive double-triple checked on this as it is def OK on dbmail 2.x - if there is any assistance anyone can give that would be great... otherwise i guess migrate to 2.x right?

Fanks,

Simon

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paul at nfg

Aug 1, 2012, 4:05 AM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 07/05/2012 10:37 PM, Simon wrote:
> Hi There,
>
> We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird issue(s):
>
> 1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.

Since I now own an iPad3 I can look into it. No promisses though.

> 2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No Recipients" and "No Subject"




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greminn at gmail

Aug 16, 2012, 10:38 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Hey Paul,

Just wondering if you got anywhere with this?

We are happy to assist where ever we can... its only dbmail 3.0, 2.2.x
is absolutely fine :)

Thanks!

Simon

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg> wrote:
> On 07/05/2012 10:37 PM, Simon wrote:
>> Hi There,
>>
>> We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird issue(s):
>>
>> 1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.
>
> Since I now own an iPad3 I can look into it. No promisses though.
>
>> 2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No Recipients" and "No Subject"
>
>
>
>
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greminn at gmail

Aug 21, 2012, 8:11 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Sorry to keep asking.. but i really want to keep using dbmail (!!!), but cant with this client if there is not even an answer when it will be compatible with apple mail?

I understand that this is an issue with Mac Mail - i do. But its not going away?

This also puts a issue on us upgrading to dbmail3 for our core mail server platform.. many of our clients are mac users and use Mac Mail - asking them to change their mail program is not viable... so therefore we have to change our platform....

Thanks!

Simon

On 17/08/2012, at 5:38 PM, Simon <greminn [at] gmail> wrote:

> Hey Paul,
>
> Just wondering if you got anywhere with this?
>
> We are happy to assist where ever we can... its only dbmail 3.0, 2.2.x
> is absolutely fine :)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Simon
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg> wrote:
>> On 07/05/2012 10:37 PM, Simon wrote:
>>> Hi There,
>>>
>>> We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird issue(s):
>>>
>>> 1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.
>>
>> Since I now own an iPad3 I can look into it. No promisses though.
>>
>>> 2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No Recipients" and "No Subject"
>>
>>
>>
>>
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harald.leithner at itronic

Aug 22, 2012, 2:57 AM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Hi Simon,

I'm running dbmail 3 commit 22b964b, I tested it with one of our Imac
using Mail.app Version 5.2 (1278)
and have no problem... so could you give me a version number of Mail.app?

regards,

HaraLd Leithner

Am 22.08.2012, 05:11 Uhr, schrieb Simon <greminn [at] gmail>:

> Sorry to keep asking.. but i really want to keep using dbmail (!!!), but
> cant with this client if there is not even an answer when it will be
> compatible with apple mail?
>
> I understand that this is an issue with Mac Mail - i do. But its not
> going away?
>
> This also puts a issue on us upgrading to dbmail3 for our core mail
> server platform.. many of our clients are mac users and use Mac Mail -
> asking them to change their mail program is not viable... so therefore
> we have to change our platform....
>
> Thanks!
>
> Simon
>
> On 17/08/2012, at 5:38 PM, Simon <greminn [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> Hey Paul,
>>
>> Just wondering if you got anywhere with this?
>>
>> We are happy to assist where ever we can... its only dbmail 3.0, 2.2.x
>> is absolutely fine :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg> wrote:
>>> On 07/05/2012 10:37 PM, Simon wrote:
>>>> Hi There,
>>>>
>>>> We are running dbmail 3.0.2 on debian squeeze for a client who all
>>>> use Max OSX and Apple Mail for their client... there is a weird
>>>> issue(s):
>>>>
>>>> 1). When sending email, the email does not show up in the Sent Items
>>>> folder until they either "Rebuild" the folder or restart the app.
>>>
>>> Since I now own an iPad3 I can look into it. No promisses though.
>>>
>>>> 2). When saving something to draft, then subsequently sending the
>>>> email they end up with emails in the drafts folder with "No
>>>> Recipients" and "No Subject"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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paul at nfg

Aug 22, 2012, 7:55 AM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 08/22/2012 05:11 AM, Simon wrote:
> Sorry to keep asking.. but i really want to keep using dbmail (!!!), but cant with this client if there is not even an answer when it will be compatible with apple mail?
>
> I understand that this is an issue with Mac Mail - i do. But its not going away?

Supporting Mac Mail is important. All the hipster incrowd seem to use
macbooks there days...

I own an iPad, but that's a different animal all together. I can't even
save messages as drafts. But when I do sent it, it shows up in the Sent
folder just fine. In short: I'm unable to reproduce this.

So, In order to get a grip on what might be going on, at the very least
I need a protocol trace. A syslog_logging_levels = 64 should do the
trick, or a tshark/wireshark dump.

Also try to allow for the fact that I do need to make a living, and this
is an open-source project. Paying clients and projects do take precedence!

At the same time: all your patches/documentation/user-support is/are
most welcome.


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greminn at gmail

Aug 22, 2012, 1:22 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 23/08/2012, at 2:55 AM, Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg> wrote:

> On 08/22/2012 05:11 AM, Simon wrote:
>> Sorry to keep asking.. but i really want to keep using dbmail (!!!), but cant with this client if there is not even an answer when it will be compatible with apple mail?
>>
>> I understand that this is an issue with Mac Mail - i do. But its not going away?
>
> Supporting Mac Mail is important. All the hipster incrowd seem to use
> macbooks there days...

hipsters... *shudder*

> I own an iPad, but that's a different animal all together. I can't even
> save messages as drafts. But when I do sent it, it shows up in the Sent
> folder just fine. In short: I'm unable to reproduce this.
>
> So, In order to get a grip on what might be going on, at the very least
> I need a protocol trace. A syslog_logging_levels = 64 should do the
> trick, or a tshark/wireshark dump.

I will organise this and email to you.

> Also try to allow for the fact that I do need to make a living, and this
> is an open-source project. Paying clients and projects do take precedence!
>
> At the same time: all your patches/documentation/user-support is/are
> most welcome.

Absolutely!

Thanks

Simon

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greminn at gmail

Aug 22, 2012, 1:25 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 22/08/2012, at 9:57 PM, Harald Leithner <harald.leithner [at] itronic> wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> I'm running dbmail 3 commit 22b964b, I tested it with one of our Imac using Mail.app Version 5.2 (1278)
> and have no problem... so could you give me a version number of Mail.app?

Version 6.0 (1485), which comes with Mac OS X Mountain Lion. Im running dbmail-3.0.2 on debian 64-bit - i dont know what commit sorry, just from the standard download from the dbmail website.

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denverpilot at me

Aug 22, 2012, 11:42 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Simon,

Have you looked at the Mail.App logs on the user's system itself, or attempted to turn up the debugging level on Mail.App and have it write a log file? It is (somewhat) Unix-y after all.

https://blogs.oracle.com/chienr/entry/debugging_os_x_mail_app
http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2004101603285984

Those are just from a quick Google search. They're old (2007 and 2004 respectively), but the application itself probably has a help file when launched via the command line, like most other things Unix-y. Fire up Terminal and go to town... it's likely the client software itself can tell you what the problem is (or it's perceived problem is) with your DBMail server.

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harald.leithner at itronic

Aug 23, 2012, 2:01 AM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

I will check it tomorrow, 6.0 maybe we have luck.

Am 22.08.2012, 22:25 Uhr, schrieb Simon <greminn [at] gmail>:

>
> On 22/08/2012, at 9:57 PM, Harald Leithner <harald.leithner [at] itronic>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> I'm running dbmail 3 commit 22b964b, I tested it with one of our Imac
>> using Mail.app Version 5.2 (1278)
>> and have no problem... so could you give me a version number of
>> Mail.app?
>
> Version 6.0 (1485), which comes with Mac OS X Mountain Lion. Im running
> dbmail-3.0.2 on debian 64-bit - i dont know what commit sorry, just from
> the standard download from the dbmail website.
>
> Simon
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harald.leithner at itronic

Aug 24, 2012, 7:37 AM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

Hi Simon,

I have similar problems in Mail.app 6.0 but I'm not sure if we have the
sample problems ;-)
I added my own account to mail.app (bad Idea adding a 5Gb mailbox) after
downloading my mails (I'm still not sure if all mails has been downloaded)
I tried to send a mail, the mail was saved in the "Gesendet" Mailbox local
or so, because its in none of IMAP folders, the same with drafts. Maybe
I'm wrong.

I created a new User and tried to send another message, mail.app created a
new directory on the server "Sent Messages" and worked as expected. (I
found the mail of my main account also in this folder so it works also
there)

The same for Drafts, I created a Mail saved it as draft (a new Folder was
created), I loaded the draft and send it without problems....

The only difference to is the version you use and I use, but there are
only 3 commits between us and I think non of them has something todo with
your problem.
---------------
commit 22b964b653ba149b63b9b6787aeac7803c2121e5
Author: Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg>
Date: Tue Apr 10 09:31:07 2012 +0200

AUTOREPLY: check Precedence header

commit 9e2f272541621d898d9485bfbf43818d7dce708c
Author: Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg>
Date: Fri Apr 6 21:23:37 2012 +0200

IMAP: fix SORT-ing on multiple criteria

commit 64cedfabfee664471a9129ac744609853f2d5463
Author: Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg>
Date: Thu Mar 15 23:53:23 2012 +0100

fix literal-s2c #963
---------------

Maybe the update of OS X 10.8.1 helps you.

Harald


Am 22.08.2012, 22:25 Uhr, schrieb Simon <greminn [at] gmail>:

>
> On 22/08/2012, at 9:57 PM, Harald Leithner <harald.leithner [at] itronic>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> I'm running dbmail 3 commit 22b964b, I tested it with one of our Imac
>> using Mail.app Version 5.2 (1278)
>> and have no problem... so could you give me a version number of
>> Mail.app?
>
> Version 6.0 (1485), which comes with Mac OS X Mountain Lion. Im running
> dbmail-3.0.2 on debian 64-bit - i dont know what commit sorry, just from
> the standard download from the dbmail website.
>
> Simon
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Aug 26, 2012, 1:01 PM

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Re: Drafts & sent items with apple mail and dbmail 3.0.2 [In reply to]

On 25/08/2012, at 2:37 AM, Harald Leithner <harald.leithner [at] itronic> wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> I have similar problems in Mail.app 6.0 but I'm not sure if we have the sample problems ;-)
> I added my own account to mail.app (bad Idea adding a 5Gb mailbox) after downloading my mails (I'm still not sure if all mails has been downloaded) I tried to send a mail, the mail was saved in the "Gesendet" Mailbox local or so, because its in none of IMAP folders, the same with drafts. Maybe I'm wrong.
>
> I created a new User and tried to send another message, mail.app created a new directory on the server "Sent Messages" and worked as expected. (I found the mail of my main account also in this folder so it works also there)
>
> The same for Drafts, I created a Mail saved it as draft (a new Folder was created), I loaded the draft and send it without problems....
>
> The only difference to is the version you use and I use, but there are only 3 commits between us and I think non of them has something todo with your problem.
> ---------------
> commit 22b964b653ba149b63b9b6787aeac7803c2121e5
> Author: Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg>
> Date: Tue Apr 10 09:31:07 2012 +0200
>
> AUTOREPLY: check Precedence header
>
> commit 9e2f272541621d898d9485bfbf43818d7dce708c
> Author: Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg>
> Date: Fri Apr 6 21:23:37 2012 +0200
>
> IMAP: fix SORT-ing on multiple criteria
>
> commit 64cedfabfee664471a9129ac744609853f2d5463
> Author: Paul J Stevens <paul [at] nfg>
> Date: Thu Mar 15 23:53:23 2012 +0100
>
> fix literal-s2c #963
> ---------------
>
> Maybe the update of OS X 10.8.1 helps you.

Thanks for the Feedback on this one... I will check out 10.8.1 and see if this makes a difference. I might try re-setting this up and run thru compile again and see what happens.

Thanks again,

Simon





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