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rcsheets at picosecond

Feb 5, 2009, 8:22 PM

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Simple test for database schema version?

I have just reinstalled dbmail, after testing it out several months ago,
and it would be very convenient to use the same database tables I was
using when I tried it out before. I'm not entirely sure which version I
was using before, though, and I'd like to determine if I need to make
any schema changes.

Given just the database tables, is there a way to tell whether any
updates are needed to get up to the current schema?
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paul at nfg

Feb 5, 2009, 11:56 PM

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Re: Simple test for database schema version? [In reply to]

Did you run a stable (2.2) version or a development (2.3) version?

In case of the first: no schema changes have happened in the stable series.

In case of the latter: I'd need to see a schema dump.

Robert C. Sheets wrote:
> I have just reinstalled dbmail, after testing it out several months ago,
> and it would be very convenient to use the same database tables I was
> using when I tried it out before. I'm not entirely sure which version I
> was using before, though, and I'd like to determine if I need to make
> any schema changes.
>
> Given just the database tables, is there a way to tell whether any
> updates are needed to get up to the current schema?

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rcsheets at picosecond

Feb 6, 2009, 12:04 AM

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Re: Simple test for database schema version? [In reply to]

Paul J Stevens wrote:
> Did you run a stable (2.2) version or a development (2.3) version?

I'm almost certain it would've been a 2.2 version, but the servers are
long since gone so I can't actually check.

> In case of the first: no schema changes have happened in the stable series.

Cool. If I happen to get it horribly wrong and attempt to run a 2.2
version against a 2.3.x database schema, would you expect everything to
fail in some very obvious way, or might things seem to work fine for a
while and then catch fire later?
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paul at nfg

Feb 6, 2009, 12:09 AM

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Re: Simple test for database schema version? [In reply to]

Robert C. Sheets wrote:
> Paul J Stevens wrote:
>> Did you run a stable (2.2) version or a development (2.3) version?
>
> I'm almost certain it would've been a 2.2 version, but the servers are
> long since gone so I can't actually check.
>
>> In case of the first: no schema changes have happened in the stable
>> series.
>
> Cool. If I happen to get it horribly wrong and attempt to run a 2.2
> version against a 2.3.x database schema, would you expect everything to
> fail in some very obvious way, or might things seem to work fine for a
> while and then catch fire later?

I don't know. I've never tried that. The other way around won't work. If
you run 2.3 on a 2.2 schema, sanity checks will kick in. But those are
rather crude and will only check for the presence of some new table or
other. Those checks will *not* verify smaller changes like the width of
a field, the presence of a index, and stuff like that.

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michael.monnerie at is

Feb 6, 2009, 2:12 AM

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Re: Simple test for database schema version? [In reply to]

On Freitag 06 Februar 2009 Robert C. Sheets wrote:
> I'm almost certain it would've been a 2.2 version, but the servers
> are long since gone so I can't actually check.

Restore the DB then show us which tables exist now. Then it's possible
to see which version was used.

BTW Paul: Wouldn't it be good to create a table "version" with two
columns "name" & "version" where you write schema=2.2.10 or whatever? So
the scripts that upgrade the schema could verify what version we are on
and what to do to upgrade (to any desired version)?

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paul at nfg

Feb 6, 2009, 2:29 AM

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michael.monnerie at is

Feb 6, 2009, 2:52 AM

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On Freitag 06 Februar 2009 Paul J Stevens wrote:
> Since schema changes in mysql are not atomic, I don't see how that
> could be done reliably.

insert (name,value) = 'go_to_version','2.3.5'
before the script starts, and remove that if everything went OK. And if
something broke, you can see both old and new versions to debug.

Because anyway, if it's not atomic and the script breaks, you'll have a
mess in case of problems. That can't be solved automatically, right?

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jake at vapourforge

Feb 6, 2009, 3:05 AM

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Re: Simple test for database schema version? [In reply to]

Michael Monnerie wrote:
> On Freitag 06 Februar 2009 Paul J Stevens wrote:
>
>> Since schema changes in mysql are not atomic, I don't see how that
>> could be done reliably.
>>
>
> insert (name,value) = 'go_to_version','2.3.5'
> before the script starts, and remove that if everything went OK. And if
> something broke, you can see both old and new versions to debug.
>
> Because anyway, if it's not atomic and the script breaks, you'll have a
> mess in case of problems. That can't be solved automatically, right?
>
> mfg zmi
>
I'm for it, perhaps even a "general info" table.
It wouldn't be absolutely guaranteed but it would be helpful when
looking at old dumps and the like.

michael.monnerie at is

Feb 6, 2009, 5:23 AM

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Re: Simple test for database schema version? [In reply to]

On Freitag 06 Februar 2009 Jake Anderson wrote:
> It wouldn't be absolutely guaranteed but it would be helpful when
> looking at old dumps and the like.

You could then use it as history:
date,name,value
1.1.2002 version_hist 2.0.0
15.10.2005 version_hist 2.2.7
17.10.2005 version_hist 2.2.9
1.1.2009 version 2.3.5

And on upgrade, version becomes version_hist.

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rcsheets at picosecond

Feb 6, 2009, 7:08 AM

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paul at nfg

Feb 6, 2009, 8:07 AM

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rcsheets at picosecond

Feb 6, 2009, 9:58 AM

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Re: Simple test for database schema version? [In reply to]

Paul J Stevens wrote:
> That's a 2.2 schema

Thank you very much!

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