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bitfuzzy at campbus

Apr 21, 2010, 2:03 PM


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Re: (no subject) [In reply to]

I can't believe I've been suckered into this nonsense

>
> This is part of the attitude problem from many open source projects.
>
> They are (too often) run by technicians and programmers with no input
> from the business side.
OH, lets not forget certain users
>
> What the Clamav team did, I can't believe it would have made it
> through a business analyst and I can't believe that any executive
> would have signed off on something like that after considering the
> potential impact it could have on their clients.
>
> For the last 4 years or so I have had to shift my mindset from that of
> pure sysadmin to taking business considerations into account; its very
> easy for someone who is absorbed with programming and engineering to
> forget that IT is there to support business and that business is not
> there to support IT.
>
> This is something that I personally have struggled hard with, it can
> be difficult for a 'geek' to move in that direction.

You're giving yourself too much credit. Lets look at this (yet again)
shall we?

People (and you) are upset because they (not me, not them, not the
clamav dev team) decided to ignore the notifications and warnings and
their ( and your) out of date and E-O-L'd AV stopped working. On top of
this due to MTA configuration choices made by some of these same people
when their AV died, so did their mail system. Soooooooo it must be
somebody's fault other than the person(s) in charge of the configuration
and maintenance of these boxes that fault tolerance was not taken into
consideration? Who set up the mail system to die if clam-av was not
available? Not the the Clam dev team.

> So many OSS projects do not view their users as clients or customers;
> they view them either as experimental subjects or as fellow
> experimenters. They only take the technical considerations into
> account and largely ignore potential impact on business.
Business impact was caused by the person(s) maintaining, and configuring
the systems that tears are being spilled over. Speaking of impact, what
would the impact be if certain affected customers should find out that
the reason for the service interruption they experienced was because
their service provider couldn't be bothered to take notice of EOL
warnings and properly update their Anti-Virus?
>
> This is true both of the Clamav developers and of those people who
> didn't take precautions against potential problems such as the Clamav
> developers introduced. (And make no mistake; a problem was *created*
> by the Clamav team, a problem that did not exist prior to the changes
> they made).

There is no problem. If you want to run a EOL version of ClamAV all you
have to do (I believe) is stop running freshclam. The obvious issue with
this is that you will no longer be receiving virus updates.
If you want to receive virus updates, then UPDATE your version to the
current and functional version.

But no, you expect ClamAV to do what no other company would do. Keep the
old supported and fork the new version so both can be ran.
Perhaps all the fuss is because your dist is also out of date, and not
capable of supporting or compiling the new version? This too can be
fixed by upgrading either your dist, or components.
(Hint: The later only requires sources and the knowledge to use a compiler)

Like I'm sure Microsoft would support a EOL'd OS past it's DOD (Date of
Death). It's just not going to happen. And on the business side, it
doesn't make business sense for them to do so.

This isn't a vendor problem.


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(no subject) lobredor at telered Aug 1, 2003, 11:55 AM
    RE: (no subject) njh at bandsman Sep 23, 2003, 2:06 PM
        RE: (no subject) newsgroup at auratia Sep 24, 2003, 5:43 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Sep 24, 2003, 8:42 AM
        Re: (no subject) newsgroup at auratia Sep 24, 2003, 11:30 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Sep 24, 2003, 11:40 AM
        Re: (no subject) newsgroup at auratia Sep 24, 2003, 11:53 AM
    Re: (no subject) tk at lodz Feb 10, 2004, 5:08 AM
    RE: (no subject) njh at bandsman Feb 26, 2004, 3:44 PM
        RE: (no subject) scott.deacon at sympatico Feb 26, 2004, 7:28 PM
    Re: (no subject) Antony at Soft-Solutions Aug 12, 2004, 3:29 AM
        Re: Mail-ClamAV installed virus junkmail at phoenix-blaze Aug 12, 2004, 7:07 AM
            Re: Mail-ClamAV installed virus trog at uncon Aug 12, 2004, 7:18 AM
    Re: (no subject) niek at packetstorm Sep 7, 2004, 9:07 AM
        Re: (no subject) niek at packetstorm Sep 7, 2004, 10:09 AM
    RE: (no subject) sdimoff at usnetworksinc Oct 5, 2004, 6:17 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 6:17 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 6:22 AM
        Re: (no subject) sasab at pixteam Oct 5, 2004, 6:28 AM
        RE: (no subject) bclark at eccotours Oct 5, 2004, 6:33 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 6:30 AM
    Re: (no subject) math at mlists Oct 5, 2004, 7:21 AM
        RE: (no subject) bclark at eccotours Oct 5, 2004, 7:43 AM
    Re: (no subject) Jose-Marcio.Martins at ensmp Oct 5, 2004, 7:41 AM
    Re: (no subject) shane.wise at nashvilleweather Oct 5, 2004, 7:52 AM
        Re: (no subject) math at mlists Oct 5, 2004, 8:07 AM
            Re: (no subject) shane.wise at nashvilleweather Oct 5, 2004, 8:27 AM
                Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 8:42 AM
                Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 8:51 AM
    Re: (no subject) math at mlists Oct 5, 2004, 8:11 AM
    Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 25, 2005, 7:24 AM
        Re: (no subject) tkojm at clamav Feb 25, 2005, 7:30 AM
            Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 25, 2005, 9:16 AM
        Re: (no subject) bdm at fenrir Feb 25, 2005, 8:06 AM
            Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 25, 2005, 9:47 AM
    RE: (no subject) daniel at goitrain Feb 25, 2005, 11:43 AM
    RE: (no subject) daniel at goitrain Feb 25, 2005, 6:48 PM
    RE: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Feb 25, 2005, 10:58 PM
        RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dan.mcdonald at austinenergy Feb 28, 2005, 5:09 AM
            RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] evan at pierce Feb 28, 2005, 5:46 AM
            RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dennispe at inetnw Feb 28, 2005, 8:36 AM
                RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dennispe at inetnw Feb 28, 2005, 8:43 AM
                    Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] betsy.schwartz at gmail Feb 28, 2005, 11:30 AM
                        Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] mattf at bauchan Mar 1, 2005, 5:52 AM
                            Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dennispe at inetnw Mar 1, 2005, 6:23 AM
    Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 26, 2005, 7:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) mattf at bauchan May 17, 2005, 2:50 PM
    Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw May 17, 2005, 3:02 PM
    Re: (no subject) bdm at fenrir Oct 9, 2005, 6:50 AM
        Re: (no subject) webmaster at kf6plh Oct 9, 2005, 9:45 AM
    Re: (no subject) bdm at fenrir Oct 9, 2005, 3:17 PM
    Re: (no subject) jmaul at elih Jul 26, 2006, 10:35 AM
    Re: (no subject) cswiger at mac Jul 26, 2006, 10:37 AM
    Re: (no subject) DStaal at usa Jul 26, 2006, 10:46 AM
    Re: (no subject) fedora at drussell Jul 26, 2006, 10:48 AM
    Re: (no subject) oboltus at bigmir Oct 23, 2007, 12:30 AM
        Re: (no subject) rob.macgregor at gmail Oct 23, 2007, 1:13 AM
    Re: (no subject) oboltus at bigmir Oct 23, 2007, 4:18 AM
        Re: (no subject) rob.macgregor at gmail Oct 23, 2007, 5:00 AM
    Re: (no subject) edwintorok at gmail Apr 16, 2010, 12:37 AM
        Re: (no subject) steve at greengecko Apr 16, 2010, 12:54 AM
            Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 18, 2010, 1:27 PM
                Re: (no subject) bitfuzzy at campbus Apr 18, 2010, 1:40 PM
                    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 18, 2010, 2:03 PM
                        Re: (no subject) bitfuzzy at campbus Apr 18, 2010, 2:39 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 18, 2010, 2:45 PM
                Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Apr 18, 2010, 1:43 PM
                Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 20, 2010, 7:36 PM
                    Re: (no subject) Jason.Haar at trimble Apr 20, 2010, 8:19 PM
                    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 20, 2010, 8:24 PM
                        Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 20, 2010, 8:31 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 20, 2010, 8:34 PM
                                Re: (no subject) lists at retrochoons Apr 20, 2010, 11:10 PM
                                    Re: (no subject) mslucas at taos-it Apr 20, 2010, 11:27 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 20, 2010, 8:38 PM
                                Re: (no subject) francesco at fampeeters Apr 20, 2010, 11:00 PM
                        Re: (no subject) mslucas at taos-it Apr 20, 2010, 11:20 PM
                    Re: (no subject) dave-usenet at djwcomputers Apr 20, 2010, 11:24 PM
                    Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 12:15 AM
                        Re: (no subject) clamav.user at seibercom Apr 21, 2010, 2:30 AM
                            Re: (no subject) tbb at hideout Apr 21, 2010, 2:38 AM
                                Re: (no subject) R.Sterenborg at netsourcing Apr 21, 2010, 3:18 AM
                                Re: (no subject) steveb_clamav at sanesecurity Apr 21, 2010, 3:30 AM
                            Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 8:45 AM
                                Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 9:41 AM
                                    Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 11:08 AM
                                Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 2:11 PM
                        Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 9:16 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 9:26 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") rob.macgregor at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 9:45 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") bill at inetmsg Apr 21, 2010, 10:45 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 10:48 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") bill at inetmsg Apr 21, 2010, 10:56 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") jonnykent at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 10:51 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 11:08 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") bill at inetmsg Apr 21, 2010, 11:13 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 11:15 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 11:30 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 11:44 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:25 PM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") dave-usenet at djwcomputers Apr 21, 2010, 6:22 PM
                        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 1:53 PM
                        Re: (no subject) boheme at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 6:02 PM
                    Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 21, 2010, 12:50 PM
                        Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 1:19 PM
                            Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 21, 2010, 1:36 PM
                                Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 1:44 PM
                            Re: (no subject) chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 1:39 PM
                                Re: (no subject) bonivart at opencsw Apr 21, 2010, 1:46 PM
                            Re: (no subject) bitfuzzy at campbus Apr 21, 2010, 2:03 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:43 PM
    Re: (no subject) tkojm at clamav Apr 16, 2010, 2:07 AM
    Re: (no subject) clamav-users at uchange Apr 16, 2010, 2:09 AM
        Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 16, 2010, 3:59 AM
            Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 18, 2010, 1:38 PM
                Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 18, 2010, 3:26 PM
                    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 19, 2010, 9:22 AM
                        Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 19, 2010, 11:14 AM
                        Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Apr 19, 2010, 5:28 PM
                            Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 19, 2010, 11:48 PM
                            Re: (no subject) bernd at petrovitsch Apr 20, 2010, 1:45 AM
    Re: (no subject) tkojm at clamav Apr 16, 2010, 2:32 AM
    Re: (no subject) edwintorok at gmail Apr 16, 2010, 3:22 AM
        Re: (no subject) leolistas at solutti Apr 16, 2010, 5:15 AM
            Re: (no subject) francis.stevens at bristow Apr 16, 2010, 6:10 AM
        Re: (no subject) jobst at barrett May 2, 2010, 10:24 PM
    Re: (no subject) lists at retrochoons Apr 20, 2010, 11:35 PM
        Re: (no subject) mort at chalmers Apr 21, 2010, 1:20 AM
            Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 2:26 AM
        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:54 AM
        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 7:50 AM
            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 8:28 AM
            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 9:04 AM
                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 9:12 AM
                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 9:27 AM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 11:53 AM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steveb_clamav at sanesecurity Apr 21, 2010, 1:19 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine clamav at clubneon Apr 21, 2010, 1:26 PM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 12:12 PM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 12:34 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine cswiger at mac Apr 21, 2010, 12:49 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 12:56 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 1:23 PM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chupacerveza at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 6:55 PM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 8:03 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine dennispe at inetnw Apr 21, 2010, 8:20 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine dennispe at inetnw Apr 21, 2010, 8:24 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine conrad at enetworks Apr 21, 2010, 8:44 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 11:39 PM
                                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 22, 2010, 7:18 AM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 22, 2010, 1:39 AM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jarif at iki Apr 21, 2010, 9:10 PM
                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chupacerveza at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 2:48 PM
                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:58 PM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 5:42 PM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:08 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 6:19 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:21 PM
            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 10:50 PM
        Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 8:59 AM
    Re: (no subject) skraw at ithnet Apr 21, 2010, 1:29 AM
    Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 1:51 PM
        Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 21, 2010, 2:07 PM
            Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 2:09 PM
                Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:56 PM
            Re: (no subject) steve at greengecko Apr 21, 2010, 2:51 PM
                Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 5:00 PM
                    Re: (no subject) steve at greengecko Apr 21, 2010, 5:08 PM
                        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:04 PM
                            Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 10:06 PM
                                Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Apr 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 8:59 PM
        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:52 PM
    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:09 PM
    Re: (no subject) alvarnell at mac Nov 8, 2010, 2:39 PM
    Re: (no subject) edwin+ml-clamav at etorok Mar 3, 2012, 7:16 AM
        Re: (no subject) jayzon915 at gmail Mar 3, 2012, 7:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) jesler at sourcefire May 11, 2012, 10:40 AM
    Re: (no subject) alvarnell at mac Oct 17, 2012, 12:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) StEwert at c-onServices Oct 17, 2012, 5:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) azidouemba at sourcefire Oct 17, 2012, 6:16 AM

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