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jimlinux at commspeed

Apr 20, 2010, 8:24 PM


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Steve Wray wrote:
> Spiro Harvey wrote:
>>> Shame you haven't talked to to others - like havp for example - before
>>> doing this.
>>
>> The announcement to EOL the old releases was made at the start of
>> october last year. If people using clam as an integral part of their
>> software don't read announcements, what fault is that of the clam
>> developers?
>>
>> They had 6 months to sort it out.
>
> The thing is that there are a few little issues here that, as points
> of law are not clear yet. In what follows words like 'vendor' may not
> be used entirely legally precisely, IANAL, but I am certain that with
> a bit of squinting my meaning will be clear.
>
> I know that in certain jurisdictions, reaching out to someone elses
> computer (ie not your property) and disabling functionality on it
> could constitute a criminal act.
>
> I sincerely hope that someone somewhere under such a jurisdiction goes
> to the police and reports the Clamav developers for such an offense.
>
> Why?
>
> Because Clamav is now in the same category as Apple, Amazon and Sony
> (to name three that come to mind right away). This is the category of
> vendors who have remotely disabled (or removed) software running on
> computers or devices belonging to their customers. Not on computers or
> devices belonging to the vendor and which are leased to customers, but
> the *property* of those customers.
>
> I believe that this is extremely inappropriate behavior for *any*
> vendor. I am shocked that an OSS vendor would even consider such an
> action.
>
> Note the massive amount of negative press that Amazon got for remotely
> deleting copies of George Orwell's 1984 from the Kindle. Sony have
> recently started remotely disabling Linux functionality on the PS3
> iirc. Do we really want the OSS community to be tarred with the same
> brush?
>
> This kind of high-handed arrogance NEEDS to be put down and hard.
>
> I imagine that the Clamav team would be hard put to raise a decent
> legal defense against this and, so, if they lose such a case a legal
> precedent could be set which could conceivably deter this kind of
> thing from larger organisations.
>
> I would really love to see that happen even if it destroys the Clamav
> project.
>
> No hard feelings against them, but if Clamav want to set themselves up
> as sacrificial lambs to test a point of law and it ultimately benefits
> society at large, great.

Well, prosecution would be justified if ClamAV had actually done
something illegal. What they did was modifiy their signature database to
support new features with advance notice and the fact that any
particular installation of unsupported software failed to handle it
properly is the onus of the owners / sysadmins of the individual
systems. If you happen to fall into that category, then it is time to
upgrade your system.

Jim
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(no subject) lobredor at telered Aug 1, 2003, 11:55 AM
    RE: (no subject) njh at bandsman Sep 23, 2003, 2:06 PM
        RE: (no subject) newsgroup at auratia Sep 24, 2003, 5:43 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Sep 24, 2003, 8:42 AM
        Re: (no subject) newsgroup at auratia Sep 24, 2003, 11:30 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Sep 24, 2003, 11:40 AM
        Re: (no subject) newsgroup at auratia Sep 24, 2003, 11:53 AM
    Re: (no subject) tk at lodz Feb 10, 2004, 5:08 AM
    RE: (no subject) njh at bandsman Feb 26, 2004, 3:44 PM
        RE: (no subject) scott.deacon at sympatico Feb 26, 2004, 7:28 PM
    Re: (no subject) Antony at Soft-Solutions Aug 12, 2004, 3:29 AM
        Re: Mail-ClamAV installed virus junkmail at phoenix-blaze Aug 12, 2004, 7:07 AM
            Re: Mail-ClamAV installed virus trog at uncon Aug 12, 2004, 7:18 AM
    Re: (no subject) niek at packetstorm Sep 7, 2004, 9:07 AM
        Re: (no subject) niek at packetstorm Sep 7, 2004, 10:09 AM
    RE: (no subject) sdimoff at usnetworksinc Oct 5, 2004, 6:17 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 6:17 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 6:22 AM
        Re: (no subject) sasab at pixteam Oct 5, 2004, 6:28 AM
        RE: (no subject) bclark at eccotours Oct 5, 2004, 6:33 AM
    Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 6:30 AM
    Re: (no subject) math at mlists Oct 5, 2004, 7:21 AM
        RE: (no subject) bclark at eccotours Oct 5, 2004, 7:43 AM
    Re: (no subject) Jose-Marcio.Martins at ensmp Oct 5, 2004, 7:41 AM
    Re: (no subject) shane.wise at nashvilleweather Oct 5, 2004, 7:52 AM
        Re: (no subject) math at mlists Oct 5, 2004, 8:07 AM
            Re: (no subject) shane.wise at nashvilleweather Oct 5, 2004, 8:27 AM
                Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 8:42 AM
                Re: (no subject) njh at bandsman Oct 5, 2004, 8:51 AM
    Re: (no subject) math at mlists Oct 5, 2004, 8:11 AM
    Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 25, 2005, 7:24 AM
        Re: (no subject) tkojm at clamav Feb 25, 2005, 7:30 AM
            Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 25, 2005, 9:16 AM
        Re: (no subject) bdm at fenrir Feb 25, 2005, 8:06 AM
            Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 25, 2005, 9:47 AM
    RE: (no subject) daniel at goitrain Feb 25, 2005, 11:43 AM
    RE: (no subject) daniel at goitrain Feb 25, 2005, 6:48 PM
    RE: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Feb 25, 2005, 10:58 PM
        RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dan.mcdonald at austinenergy Feb 28, 2005, 5:09 AM
            RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] evan at pierce Feb 28, 2005, 5:46 AM
            RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dennispe at inetnw Feb 28, 2005, 8:36 AM
                RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dennispe at inetnw Feb 28, 2005, 8:43 AM
                    Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] betsy.schwartz at gmail Feb 28, 2005, 11:30 AM
                        Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] mattf at bauchan Mar 1, 2005, 5:52 AM
                            Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)] dennispe at inetnw Mar 1, 2005, 6:23 AM
    Re: (no subject) clamav-users at plumlee Feb 26, 2005, 7:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) mattf at bauchan May 17, 2005, 2:50 PM
    Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw May 17, 2005, 3:02 PM
    Re: (no subject) bdm at fenrir Oct 9, 2005, 6:50 AM
        Re: (no subject) webmaster at kf6plh Oct 9, 2005, 9:45 AM
    Re: (no subject) bdm at fenrir Oct 9, 2005, 3:17 PM
    Re: (no subject) jmaul at elih Jul 26, 2006, 10:35 AM
    Re: (no subject) cswiger at mac Jul 26, 2006, 10:37 AM
    Re: (no subject) DStaal at usa Jul 26, 2006, 10:46 AM
    Re: (no subject) fedora at drussell Jul 26, 2006, 10:48 AM
    Re: (no subject) oboltus at bigmir Oct 23, 2007, 12:30 AM
        Re: (no subject) rob.macgregor at gmail Oct 23, 2007, 1:13 AM
    Re: (no subject) oboltus at bigmir Oct 23, 2007, 4:18 AM
        Re: (no subject) rob.macgregor at gmail Oct 23, 2007, 5:00 AM
    Re: (no subject) edwintorok at gmail Apr 16, 2010, 12:37 AM
        Re: (no subject) steve at greengecko Apr 16, 2010, 12:54 AM
            Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 18, 2010, 1:27 PM
                Re: (no subject) bitfuzzy at campbus Apr 18, 2010, 1:40 PM
                    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 18, 2010, 2:03 PM
                        Re: (no subject) bitfuzzy at campbus Apr 18, 2010, 2:39 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 18, 2010, 2:45 PM
                Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Apr 18, 2010, 1:43 PM
                Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 20, 2010, 7:36 PM
                    Re: (no subject) Jason.Haar at trimble Apr 20, 2010, 8:19 PM
                    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 20, 2010, 8:24 PM
                        Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 20, 2010, 8:31 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 20, 2010, 8:34 PM
                                Re: (no subject) lists at retrochoons Apr 20, 2010, 11:10 PM
                                    Re: (no subject) mslucas at taos-it Apr 20, 2010, 11:27 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 20, 2010, 8:38 PM
                                Re: (no subject) francesco at fampeeters Apr 20, 2010, 11:00 PM
                        Re: (no subject) mslucas at taos-it Apr 20, 2010, 11:20 PM
                    Re: (no subject) dave-usenet at djwcomputers Apr 20, 2010, 11:24 PM
                    Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 12:15 AM
                        Re: (no subject) clamav.user at seibercom Apr 21, 2010, 2:30 AM
                            Re: (no subject) tbb at hideout Apr 21, 2010, 2:38 AM
                                Re: (no subject) R.Sterenborg at netsourcing Apr 21, 2010, 3:18 AM
                                Re: (no subject) steveb_clamav at sanesecurity Apr 21, 2010, 3:30 AM
                            Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 8:45 AM
                                Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 9:41 AM
                                    Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 11:08 AM
                                Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 2:11 PM
                        Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 9:16 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 9:26 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") rob.macgregor at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 9:45 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") bill at inetmsg Apr 21, 2010, 10:45 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 10:48 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") bill at inetmsg Apr 21, 2010, 10:56 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") jonnykent at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 10:51 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 11:08 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") bill at inetmsg Apr 21, 2010, 11:13 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 11:15 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 11:30 AM
                            Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 11:44 AM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:25 PM
                                Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject") dave-usenet at djwcomputers Apr 21, 2010, 6:22 PM
                        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 1:53 PM
                        Re: (no subject) boheme at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 6:02 PM
                    Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 21, 2010, 12:50 PM
                        Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 1:19 PM
                            Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 21, 2010, 1:36 PM
                                Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 1:44 PM
                            Re: (no subject) chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 1:39 PM
                                Re: (no subject) bonivart at opencsw Apr 21, 2010, 1:46 PM
                            Re: (no subject) bitfuzzy at campbus Apr 21, 2010, 2:03 PM
                            Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:43 PM
    Re: (no subject) tkojm at clamav Apr 16, 2010, 2:07 AM
    Re: (no subject) clamav-users at uchange Apr 16, 2010, 2:09 AM
        Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 16, 2010, 3:59 AM
            Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 18, 2010, 1:38 PM
                Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 18, 2010, 3:26 PM
                    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 19, 2010, 9:22 AM
                        Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 19, 2010, 11:14 AM
                        Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Apr 19, 2010, 5:28 PM
                            Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 19, 2010, 11:48 PM
                            Re: (no subject) bernd at petrovitsch Apr 20, 2010, 1:45 AM
    Re: (no subject) tkojm at clamav Apr 16, 2010, 2:32 AM
    Re: (no subject) edwintorok at gmail Apr 16, 2010, 3:22 AM
        Re: (no subject) leolistas at solutti Apr 16, 2010, 5:15 AM
            Re: (no subject) francis.stevens at bristow Apr 16, 2010, 6:10 AM
        Re: (no subject) jobst at barrett May 2, 2010, 10:24 PM
    Re: (no subject) lists at retrochoons Apr 20, 2010, 11:35 PM
        Re: (no subject) mort at chalmers Apr 21, 2010, 1:20 AM
            Re: (no subject) linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 2:26 AM
        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:54 AM
        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 7:50 AM
            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 8:28 AM
            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 9:04 AM
                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 9:12 AM
                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 9:27 AM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chris at westnet Apr 21, 2010, 11:53 AM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steveb_clamav at sanesecurity Apr 21, 2010, 1:19 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine clamav at clubneon Apr 21, 2010, 1:26 PM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 12:12 PM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 21, 2010, 12:34 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine cswiger at mac Apr 21, 2010, 12:49 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 12:56 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 1:23 PM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chupacerveza at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 6:55 PM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 8:03 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine dennispe at inetnw Apr 21, 2010, 8:20 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine dennispe at inetnw Apr 21, 2010, 8:24 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine conrad at enetworks Apr 21, 2010, 8:44 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 11:39 PM
                                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 22, 2010, 7:18 AM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine linux at thehobsons Apr 22, 2010, 1:39 AM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jarif at iki Apr 21, 2010, 9:10 PM
                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine chupacerveza at gmail Apr 21, 2010, 2:48 PM
                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:58 PM
                        Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 5:42 PM
                            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:08 PM
                                Re: Clubbing a deceased equine steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 6:19 PM
                                    Re: Clubbing a deceased equine jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:21 PM
            Re: Clubbing a deceased equine eray.aslan at caf Apr 21, 2010, 10:50 PM
        Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 8:59 AM
    Re: (no subject) skraw at ithnet Apr 21, 2010, 1:29 AM
    Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 1:51 PM
        Re: (no subject) spiro at knossos Apr 21, 2010, 2:07 PM
            Re: (no subject) steve.wray at cwa Apr 21, 2010, 2:09 PM
                Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:56 PM
            Re: (no subject) steve at greengecko Apr 21, 2010, 2:51 PM
                Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 5:00 PM
                    Re: (no subject) steve at greengecko Apr 21, 2010, 5:08 PM
                        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:04 PM
                            Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 10:06 PM
                                Re: (no subject) dennispe at inetnw Apr 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                Re: (no subject) rostetter at mail Apr 21, 2010, 8:59 PM
        Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 4:52 PM
    Re: (no subject) jimlinux at commspeed Apr 21, 2010, 6:09 PM
    Re: (no subject) alvarnell at mac Nov 8, 2010, 2:39 PM
    Re: (no subject) edwin+ml-clamav at etorok Mar 3, 2012, 7:16 AM
        Re: (no subject) jayzon915 at gmail Mar 3, 2012, 7:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) jesler at sourcefire May 11, 2012, 10:40 AM
    Re: (no subject) alvarnell at mac Oct 17, 2012, 12:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) StEwert at c-onServices Oct 17, 2012, 5:28 AM
    Re: (no subject) azidouemba at sourcefire Oct 17, 2012, 6:16 AM

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