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dennispe at inetnw

Mar 1, 2005, 6:23 AM

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Matt Fretwell said:
> Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see one list, for similar reasons. I run Solaris but I can
>> see that a lot of folks here run Linux, and if they were on a separate
>> list probably all their general Q&A's would end up on that list, and
>> I'd end up reading it anyway. And if most of the users migrated over
>> there, it would be harder to ask questions on the Solaris list. It's
>> often hard to tell whether something is an OS-specific question
>> anyway.
>
> Personally, I totally agree :)
>
> With regards to Dennis's reply, (relevant section below):
>
>> There isn't time to wade through all the jabber about OS specific topics
>> for which I am not the solution nor an interested party. It is a simple
>> matter of efficiency and goes to effectivity as well.
>
> No offense intended, but the above is a very blinkered opinion. What you
> think is relevant, or irrelevant for that matter, is your opinion, and
> different for each person.

And what is quoted of what I said is totally out of context. I never
suggested to break up the list into os-oriented lists. I suggested a
second list for advanced users, but I also suggested that was unlikely to
happen but we could voluntarily add a tag to the subject line that
indicates the OS, such as [windows]. With that in place I would cheerfully
delete it and the entire thread. It is otherwise harmless to everyone else
in the world. How bad is that?

>
> I run BSD, and have no interest in Linux specific problems, but that
> does not mean that there is no information to be gleaned from reading
> a post which has a problem affecting a Linux system. A problem tends to be
> a problem, irrelevant of OS type, in a majority of cases, and to 'split'
> anything, list wise, would be nothing short of a crime, with regards to
> knowledge building.

I give it a 10 for drama. As for problems, please observe the great many
repeat questions from newbies regarding sources of rmp files, "my
freshclam log says my version is out of date - is my version out of date
then??", questions about winclam, cygwin, etc. These are related to
experience, or lack of it, or subjects that have no value to me and my
environment, and it is these that I'd like to avoid if possible.

>
> You do not have to wade through anything. The first post on a subject
> gives you an indication of the topic. If it is a subject of no interest, I
> am sure you have a keyboard with a delete key like the rest of us for the
> replies to that thread.

Reading this list daily from a variety of systems and using elm, webmail,
etc. as I do there is not always a first post from a thread on a given
day. In fact it would be very rare. On that point, btw, the threading on
the nntp server is pretty wacked, so you never know what you're going to
find in a thread.

>
> Efficiency and effectiveness obviously have vastly different meanings in
> my book to yours.

We work in different worlds, Matt. We will just have to agree as gentlemen
to disagree.

dp

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(no subject)	lobredor at telered	Aug 1, 2003, 11:55 AM
RE: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Sep 23, 2003, 2:06 PM
RE: (no subject)	newsgroup at auratia	Sep 24, 2003, 5:43 AM
Re: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Sep 24, 2003, 8:42 AM
Re: (no subject)	newsgroup at auratia	Sep 24, 2003, 11:30 AM
Re: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Sep 24, 2003, 11:40 AM
Re: (no subject)	newsgroup at auratia	Sep 24, 2003, 11:53 AM
Re: (no subject)	tk at lodz	Feb 10, 2004, 5:08 AM
RE: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Feb 26, 2004, 3:44 PM
RE: (no subject)	scott.deacon at sympatico	Feb 26, 2004, 7:28 PM
Re: (no subject)	Antony at Soft-Solutions	Aug 12, 2004, 3:29 AM
Re: Mail-ClamAV installed virus	junkmail at phoenix-blaze	Aug 12, 2004, 7:07 AM
Re: Mail-ClamAV installed virus	trog at uncon	Aug 12, 2004, 7:18 AM
Re: (no subject)	niek at packetstorm	Sep 7, 2004, 9:07 AM
Re: (no subject)	niek at packetstorm	Sep 7, 2004, 10:09 AM
RE: (no subject)	sdimoff at usnetworksinc	Oct 5, 2004, 6:17 AM
Re: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Oct 5, 2004, 6:17 AM
Re: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Oct 5, 2004, 6:22 AM
Re: (no subject)	sasab at pixteam	Oct 5, 2004, 6:28 AM
RE: (no subject)	bclark at eccotours	Oct 5, 2004, 6:33 AM
Re: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Oct 5, 2004, 6:30 AM
Re: (no subject)	math at mlists	Oct 5, 2004, 7:21 AM
RE: (no subject)	bclark at eccotours	Oct 5, 2004, 7:43 AM
Re: (no subject)	Jose-Marcio.Martins at ensmp	Oct 5, 2004, 7:41 AM
Re: (no subject)	shane.wise at nashvilleweather	Oct 5, 2004, 7:52 AM
Re: (no subject)	math at mlists	Oct 5, 2004, 8:07 AM
Re: (no subject)	shane.wise at nashvilleweather	Oct 5, 2004, 8:27 AM
Re: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Oct 5, 2004, 8:42 AM
Re: (no subject)	njh at bandsman	Oct 5, 2004, 8:51 AM
Re: (no subject)	math at mlists	Oct 5, 2004, 8:11 AM
Re: (no subject)	clamav-users at plumlee	Feb 25, 2005, 7:24 AM
Re: (no subject)	tkojm at clamav	Feb 25, 2005, 7:30 AM
Re: (no subject)	clamav-users at plumlee	Feb 25, 2005, 9:16 AM
Re: (no subject)	bdm at fenrir	Feb 25, 2005, 8:06 AM
Re: (no subject)	clamav-users at plumlee	Feb 25, 2005, 9:47 AM
RE: (no subject)	daniel at goitrain	Feb 25, 2005, 11:43 AM
RE: (no subject)	daniel at goitrain	Feb 25, 2005, 6:48 PM
RE: (no subject)	dennispe at inetnw	Feb 25, 2005, 10:58 PM
RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)]	dan.mcdonald at austinenergy	Feb 28, 2005, 5:09 AM
RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)]	evan at pierce	Feb 28, 2005, 5:46 AM
RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)]	dennispe at inetnw	Feb 28, 2005, 8:36 AM
RE: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)]	dennispe at inetnw	Feb 28, 2005, 8:43 AM
Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)]	betsy.schwartz at gmail	Feb 28, 2005, 11:30 AM
Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)]	mattf at bauchan	Mar 1, 2005, 5:52 AM
Re: Clueless Newbies [was: (no subject)]	dennispe at inetnw	Mar 1, 2005, 6:23 AM
Re: (no subject)	clamav-users at plumlee	Feb 26, 2005, 7:28 AM
Re: (no subject)	mattf at bauchan	May 17, 2005, 2:50 PM
Re: (no subject)	dennispe at inetnw	May 17, 2005, 3:02 PM
Re: (no subject)	bdm at fenrir	Oct 9, 2005, 6:50 AM
Re: (no subject)	webmaster at kf6plh	Oct 9, 2005, 9:45 AM
Re: (no subject)	bdm at fenrir	Oct 9, 2005, 3:17 PM
Re: (no subject)	jmaul at elih	Jul 26, 2006, 10:35 AM
Re: (no subject)	cswiger at mac	Jul 26, 2006, 10:37 AM
Re: (no subject)	DStaal at usa	Jul 26, 2006, 10:46 AM
Re: (no subject)	fedora at drussell	Jul 26, 2006, 10:48 AM
Re: (no subject)	oboltus at bigmir	Oct 23, 2007, 12:30 AM
Re: (no subject)	rob.macgregor at gmail	Oct 23, 2007, 1:13 AM
Re: (no subject)	oboltus at bigmir	Oct 23, 2007, 4:18 AM
Re: (no subject)	rob.macgregor at gmail	Oct 23, 2007, 5:00 AM
Re: (no subject)	edwintorok at gmail	Apr 16, 2010, 12:37 AM
Re: (no subject)	steve at greengecko	Apr 16, 2010, 12:54 AM
Re: (no subject)	spiro at knossos	Apr 18, 2010, 1:27 PM
Re: (no subject)	bitfuzzy at campbus	Apr 18, 2010, 1:40 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 18, 2010, 2:03 PM
Re: (no subject)	bitfuzzy at campbus	Apr 18, 2010, 2:39 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 18, 2010, 2:45 PM
Re: (no subject)	dennispe at inetnw	Apr 18, 2010, 1:43 PM
Re: (no subject)	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 20, 2010, 7:36 PM
Re: (no subject)	Jason.Haar at trimble	Apr 20, 2010, 8:19 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 20, 2010, 8:24 PM
Re: (no subject)	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 20, 2010, 8:31 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 20, 2010, 8:34 PM
Re: (no subject)	lists at retrochoons	Apr 20, 2010, 11:10 PM
Re: (no subject)	mslucas at taos-it	Apr 20, 2010, 11:27 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 20, 2010, 8:38 PM
Re: (no subject)	francesco at fampeeters	Apr 20, 2010, 11:00 PM
Re: (no subject)	mslucas at taos-it	Apr 20, 2010, 11:20 PM
Re: (no subject)	dave-usenet at djwcomputers	Apr 20, 2010, 11:24 PM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 12:15 AM
Re: (no subject)	clamav.user at seibercom	Apr 21, 2010, 2:30 AM
Re: (no subject)	tbb at hideout	Apr 21, 2010, 2:38 AM
Re: (no subject)	R.Sterenborg at netsourcing	Apr 21, 2010, 3:18 AM
Re: (no subject)	steveb_clamav at sanesecurity	Apr 21, 2010, 3:30 AM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 8:45 AM
Re: (no subject)	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 9:41 AM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 11:08 AM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 2:11 PM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 9:16 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 9:26 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	rob.macgregor at gmail	Apr 21, 2010, 9:45 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	bill at inetmsg	Apr 21, 2010, 10:45 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 10:48 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	bill at inetmsg	Apr 21, 2010, 10:56 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	jonnykent at gmail	Apr 21, 2010, 10:51 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 11:08 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	bill at inetmsg	Apr 21, 2010, 11:13 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 11:15 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 11:30 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 11:44 AM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 4:25 PM
Re: illegal or not, make a valid argument (was "no subject")	dave-usenet at djwcomputers	Apr 21, 2010, 6:22 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 1:53 PM
Re: (no subject)	boheme at gmail	Apr 21, 2010, 6:02 PM
Re: (no subject)	spiro at knossos	Apr 21, 2010, 12:50 PM
Re: (no subject)	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 21, 2010, 1:19 PM
Re: (no subject)	spiro at knossos	Apr 21, 2010, 1:36 PM
Re: (no subject)	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 21, 2010, 1:44 PM
Re: (no subject)	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 1:39 PM
Re: (no subject)	bonivart at opencsw	Apr 21, 2010, 1:46 PM
Re: (no subject)	bitfuzzy at campbus	Apr 21, 2010, 2:03 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 4:43 PM
Re: (no subject)	tkojm at clamav	Apr 16, 2010, 2:07 AM
Re: (no subject)	clamav-users at uchange	Apr 16, 2010, 2:09 AM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 16, 2010, 3:59 AM
Re: (no subject)	spiro at knossos	Apr 18, 2010, 1:38 PM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 18, 2010, 3:26 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 19, 2010, 9:22 AM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 19, 2010, 11:14 AM
Re: (no subject)	dennispe at inetnw	Apr 19, 2010, 5:28 PM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 19, 2010, 11:48 PM
Re: (no subject)	bernd at petrovitsch	Apr 20, 2010, 1:45 AM
Re: (no subject)	tkojm at clamav	Apr 16, 2010, 2:32 AM
Re: (no subject)	edwintorok at gmail	Apr 16, 2010, 3:22 AM
Re: (no subject)	leolistas at solutti	Apr 16, 2010, 5:15 AM
Re: (no subject)	francis.stevens at bristow	Apr 16, 2010, 6:10 AM
Re: (no subject)	jobst at barrett	May 2, 2010, 10:24 PM
Re: (no subject)	lists at retrochoons	Apr 20, 2010, 11:35 PM
Re: (no subject)	mort at chalmers	Apr 21, 2010, 1:20 AM
Re: (no subject)	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 2:26 AM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 6:54 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 7:50 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 8:28 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	eray.aslan at caf	Apr 21, 2010, 9:04 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 9:12 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 9:27 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	chris at westnet	Apr 21, 2010, 11:53 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	steveb_clamav at sanesecurity	Apr 21, 2010, 1:19 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	clamav at clubneon	Apr 21, 2010, 1:26 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 12:12 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	linux at thehobsons	Apr 21, 2010, 12:34 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	cswiger at mac	Apr 21, 2010, 12:49 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 12:56 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	eray.aslan at caf	Apr 21, 2010, 1:23 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	chupacerveza at gmail	Apr 21, 2010, 6:55 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 21, 2010, 8:03 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	dennispe at inetnw	Apr 21, 2010, 8:20 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	dennispe at inetnw	Apr 21, 2010, 8:24 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	conrad at enetworks	Apr 21, 2010, 8:44 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	eray.aslan at caf	Apr 21, 2010, 11:39 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 22, 2010, 7:18 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	linux at thehobsons	Apr 22, 2010, 1:39 AM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	jarif at iki	Apr 21, 2010, 9:10 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	chupacerveza at gmail	Apr 21, 2010, 2:48 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 4:58 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 21, 2010, 5:42 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 6:08 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 21, 2010, 6:19 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 6:21 PM
Re: Clubbing a deceased equine	eray.aslan at caf	Apr 21, 2010, 10:50 PM
Re: (no subject)	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 8:59 AM
Re: (no subject)	skraw at ithnet	Apr 21, 2010, 1:29 AM
Re: (no subject)	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 21, 2010, 1:51 PM
Re: (no subject)	spiro at knossos	Apr 21, 2010, 2:07 PM
Re: (no subject)	steve.wray at cwa	Apr 21, 2010, 2:09 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 4:56 PM
Re: (no subject)	steve at greengecko	Apr 21, 2010, 2:51 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 5:00 PM
Re: (no subject)	steve at greengecko	Apr 21, 2010, 5:08 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 6:04 PM
Re: (no subject)	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 10:06 PM
Re: (no subject)	dennispe at inetnw	Apr 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
Re: (no subject)	rostetter at mail	Apr 21, 2010, 8:59 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 4:52 PM
Re: (no subject)	jimlinux at commspeed	Apr 21, 2010, 6:09 PM
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