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lelio at uoguelph

Aug 15, 2012, 6:43 AM

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OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups

I'm trying to get my head around the benefits of deploying a Cisco telepresence solution (TMS, VCS, C60, Movi, etc) vs simply buying one off Polycom units that dial each other and bridges when necessary. I understand the centralized address book, but what else? It seems like I'm building a contained solution that needs additional equipment and licenses in order to talk to these other devices, i.e. VCS Expressway.

Anything stand out for people who have investigated this route?

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ewellnitzvoip at gmail

Aug 15, 2012, 7:39 AM

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Re: OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups [In reply to]

The vcs-e can be a challenge if you have quirks in your environment or one-offs.

We only experimented with h323 though so SIP might be easier.

My thoughts are thst integrating the environment makes for a consistent user experience. You can register any GK compatible h323 endpoint with the vcs-e so you can migrate slowly if needed.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio [at] uoguelph> wrote:

>
> I'm trying to get my head around the benefits of deploying a Cisco telepresence solution (TMS, VCS, C60, Movi, etc) vs simply buying one off Polycom units that dial each other and bridges when necessary. I understand the centralized address book, but what else? It seems like I'm building a contained solution that needs additional equipment and licenses in order to talk to these other devices, i.e. VCS Expressway.
>
> Anything stand out for people who have investigated this route?
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>
>
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craig at staffin

Aug 15, 2012, 8:01 AM

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Re: OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups [In reply to]

So the first question is really going to be how large is the end state.

For a small install you are correct that ones offs are going to be
easier/cheaper.

The benefit of centralized comes from a few things.

Central Dial Plan
Central link to UC environment for PSTN access
Central Phone Books
Software Control
No firewall holes need to be punched through due to the VCS Expressway
acting as a gateway
Central monitoring and ticketing of issues

There are numerous other advantages dependent on the environment.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio [at] uoguelph> wrote:

>
> I'm trying to get my head around the benefits of deploying a Cisco
> telepresence solution (TMS, VCS, C60, Movi, etc) vs simply buying one off
> Polycom units that dial each other and bridges when necessary. I understand
> the centralized address book, but what else? It seems like I'm building a
> contained solution that needs additional equipment and licenses in order to
> talk to these other devices, i.e. VCS Expressway.
>
> Anything stand out for people who have investigated this route?
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cisco-voip mailing list
> cisco-voip [at] puck
> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
>
>

lelio at uoguelph

Aug 15, 2012, 8:02 AM

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Re: OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups [In reply to]

thanks. yes, the vcs-e does look like it can do some fancy stuff. i _do_ like the ability to segment things, especially on the voice side.

going to look into that a little more. adding that small component might benefit us greatly.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erick" <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio [at] uoguelph>
Cc: cisco-voip [at] puck
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:39:59 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups

The vcs-e can be a challenge if you have quirks in your environment or one-offs.

We only experimented with h323 though so SIP might be easier.

My thoughts are thst integrating the environment makes for a consistent user experience. You can register any GK compatible h323 endpoint with the vcs-e so you can migrate slowly if needed.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio [at] uoguelph > wrote:

I'm trying to get my head around the benefits of deploying a Cisco telepresence solution (TMS, VCS, C60, Movi, etc) vs simply buying one off Polycom units that dial each other and bridges when necessary. I understand the centralized address book, but what else? It seems like I'm building a contained solution that needs additional equipment and licenses in order to talk to these other devices, i.e. VCS Expressway.

Anything stand out for people who have investigated this route?

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

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lelio at uoguelph

Aug 15, 2012, 8:18 AM

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Re: OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups [In reply to]

these are great points. summarized what i was suspecting quite well.

thanks, Lelio

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Staffin" <craig [at] staffin>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio [at] uoguelph>
Cc: cisco-voip [at] puck
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:01:45 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups

So the first question is really going to be how large is the end state.

For a small install you are correct that ones offs are going to be easier/cheaper.

The benefit of centralized comes from a few things.

Central Dial Plan
Central link to UC environment for PSTN access
Central Phone Books
Software Control
No firewall holes need to be punched through due to the VCS Expressway acting as a gateway
Central monitoring and ticketing of issues

There are numerous other advantages dependent on the environment.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio [at] uoguelph > wrote:

I'm trying to get my head around the benefits of deploying a Cisco telepresence solution (TMS, VCS, C60, Movi, etc) vs simply buying one off Polycom units that dial each other and bridges when necessary. I understand the centralized address book, but what else? It seems like I'm building a contained solution that needs additional equipment and licenses in order to talk to these other devices, i.e. VCS Expressway.

Anything stand out for people who have investigated this route?

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

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rkulagow at gmail

Aug 15, 2012, 8:22 AM

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Re: OT: Cisco Telepresence vs. independant setups [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio [at] uoguelph> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get my head around the benefits of deploying a Cisco
> telepresence solution (TMS, VCS, C60, Movi, etc) vs simply buying one off
> Polycom units that dial each other and bridges when necessary. I understand
> the centralized address book, but what else? It seems like I'm building a
> contained solution that needs additional equipment and licenses in order to
> talk to these other devices, i.e. VCS Expressway.

We went with a hybrid solution; TMS for centralized address book,
GnuGK for our H.323 gatekeeper / proxy to the internet, Polycom
endpoints. There wasn't a cost justification to deploy the
triple-screen TP suite (back when it was a custom build,
room-within-a-room) at $500K each, and we wouldn't have been able to
talk to anyone anyway.

Polycom HDX 8000's are "good enough", especially if you can't get the
rest of the planet to deploy "true" telepresence.
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