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MLoraditch at heliontechnologies

Feb 28, 2012, 8:43 AM

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Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade

I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this?
Thanks!


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Timonium, MD 21093

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salamka at gmail

Feb 28, 2012, 9:14 AM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

https://supportforums.cisco.com/thread/2085663

HTH


*---AS*




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Matthew Loraditch <
MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:

> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection
> licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free.
> The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS
> and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16
> ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250
> ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>
> Thanks!****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>
> 1965 Greenspring Drive
> Timonium, MD 21093
>
> voice. 410.252.8830
> fax. 410.252.9284
>
> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Helion/252157915296>
> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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tednugent73 at gmail

Feb 28, 2012, 9:36 AM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala
Carte... (not sure about UCL)
If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and that
should work for CUC 8 as well.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:

> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection
> licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free.
> The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS
> and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16
> ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250
> ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>
> Thanks!****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>
> 1965 Greenspring Drive
> Timonium, MD 21093
>
> voice. 410.252.8830
> fax. 410.252.9284
>
> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Helion/252157915296>
> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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msaskin at gmail

Feb 28, 2012, 10:57 AM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection,
as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if
necessary from cisco licensing operations.

-matthew

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail> wrote:

> I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala
> Carte... (not sure about UCL)
> If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and
> that should work for CUC 8 as well.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
> MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:
>
>> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection
>> licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free.
>> The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS
>> and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16
>> ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250
>> ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>>
>> Thanks!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>>
>> 1965 Greenspring Drive
>> Timonium, MD 21093
>>
>> voice. 410.252.8830
>> fax. 410.252.9284
>>
>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Helion/252157915296>
>> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
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MLoraditch at heliontechnologies

Feb 28, 2012, 12:05 PM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

Ok, time to confuse someone in licensing!
Thanks all!

Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA

1965 Greenspring Drive
Timonium, MD 21093

voice. 410.252.8830
fax. 410.252.9284

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From: Matthew Saskin [mailto:msaskin [at] gmail]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:58 PM
To: Ted Nugent
Cc: Matthew Loraditch; cisco-voip
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade

License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if necessary from cisco licensing operations.

-matthew
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>> wrote:
I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and that should work for CUC 8 as well.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies<mailto:MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies>> wrote:
I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this?
Thanks!


Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA

1965 Greenspring Drive
Timonium, MD 21093

voice. 410.252.8830<tel:410.252.8830>
fax. 410.252.9284<tel:410.252.9284>

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tednugent73 at gmail

Feb 28, 2012, 12:27 PM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

Matthew
Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this
during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got
shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the
licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC
and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was
sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line
and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and
thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on
the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then
was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity
Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an
Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max
Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin [at] gmail> wrote:

> License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection,
> as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if
> necessary from cisco licensing operations.
>
> -matthew
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>wrote:
>
>> I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala
>> Carte... (not sure about UCL)
>> If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and
>> that should work for CUC 8 as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
>> MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection
>>> licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free.
>>> The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS
>>> and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16
>>> ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250
>>> ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>>>
>>> Thanks!****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>>>
>>> 1965 Greenspring Drive
>>> Timonium, MD 21093
>>>
>>> voice. 410.252.8830
>>> fax. 410.252.9284
>>>
>>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Helion/252157915296>
>>> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
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>>>
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tednugent73 at gmail

Feb 28, 2012, 12:28 PM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

Good Luck and let us know what they come back with.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Matthew Loraditch <
MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:

> ** **
>
> Ok, time to confuse someone in licensing!****
>
> Thanks all!****
>
> ** **
>
> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>
> 1965 Greenspring Drive
> Timonium, MD 21093
>
> voice. 410.252.8830
> fax. 410.252.9284
>
> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Helion/252157915296>
> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Matthew Saskin [mailto:msaskin [at] gmail]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:58 PM
> *To:* Ted Nugent
> *Cc:* Matthew Loraditch; cisco-voip
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade****
>
> ** **
>
> License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection,
> as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if
> necessary from cisco licensing operations.
>
> -matthew****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>
> wrote:****
>
> I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala
> Carte... (not sure about UCL)****
>
> If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and
> that should work for CUC 8 as well.****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
> MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:****
>
> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection
> licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free.
> The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS
> and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16
> ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250
> ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>
> Thanks!****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>
> 1965 Greenspring Drive
> Timonium, MD 21093
>
> voice. 410.252.8830
> fax. 410.252.9284
>
> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Helion/252157915296>
> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> _______________________________________________
> cisco-voip mailing list
> cisco-voip [at] puck
> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip****
>
>
>
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>
> ** **
>


ewellnitzvoip at gmail

Feb 29, 2012, 6:55 AM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple
months. Here is what I have learned:

1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala carte'
licensing. It is now UCL.
2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no
additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all
included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more
confusing when migrating and upgrading.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail> wrote:

> Matthew
> Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this
> during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got
> shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the
> licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC
> and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was
> sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line
> and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and
> thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on
> the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then
> was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity
> Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an
> Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max
> Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection,
>> as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if
>> necessary from cisco licensing operations.
>>
>> -matthew
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>wrote:
>>
>>> I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala
>>> Carte... (not sure about UCL)
>>> If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and
>>> that should work for CUC 8 as well.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
>>> MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity
>>>> Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed
>>>> for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer
>>>> has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their
>>>> original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber
>>>> now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>>>>
>>>> 1965 Greenspring Drive
>>>> Timonium, MD 21093
>>>>
>>>> voice. 410.252.8830
>>>> fax. 410.252.9284
>>>>
>>>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Helion/252157915296>
>>>> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
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lelio at uoguelph

Feb 29, 2012, 7:16 AM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

The "except for version 7" has exceptions.

I believe that pre v7.1.5 you can still buy DLUs, but once you upgrade to 7.1.5 you're supposed to be buying UCLs.

I think.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>
To: "Ted Nugent" <tednugent73 [at] gmail>
Cc: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip [at] puck>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:55:26 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade


I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple months. Here is what I have learned:

1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala carte' licensing. It is now UCL.
2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more confusing when migrating and upgrading.


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent < tednugent73 [at] gmail > wrote:



Matthew
Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin < msaskin [at] gmail > wrote:


License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if necessary from cisco licensing operations.

-matthew




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent < tednugent73 [at] gmail > wrote:



I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and that should work for CUC 8 as well.




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch < MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies > wrote:








I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this?

Thanks!





Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA

1965 Greenspring Drive
Timonium, MD 21093

voice. 410.252.8830
fax. 410.252.9284

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ewellnitzvoip at gmail

Feb 29, 2012, 8:31 AM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

Perhaps due to the quantity of business we give to Cisco they are allowing
us to migrate at no cost but Ted is correct, there is a fee associated with
migrating to UCL. I've found the listing in the configuration tool.

What bugs me about the whole 'migration cost' is you're effectively
re-purchasing licenses you already own.


On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail> wrote:

> As of UC 8.5 from a licensing stand point “Ala Carte” licensing is no more
> as Erick mentioned however is there is absolutely a fee associated with the
> migration to UCL. Currently that migration fee is $3 per Enhanced Seat
> providing you purchase 3 Years of UCSS at the same time @ $26 List, I
> believe that is a promotion so that may change in the future. You will not
> run into this until your UCSS renewal or until you’re UCSS/ESW lapses and
> you attempt to renew it. At which point you will need to select a licensing
> model (CUWL or UCL) in order to renew or reactivate UCSS. I would like a
> Cisco PM (if one watches this list) to jump in and give some insight on how
> renewals will be enforced? Our renewal department still appears to be
> pumping out UCSS renewals without requiring a licensing migration as
> outlined in the UCSS ordering guide, will that change?
>
>
>
> Those with access can see the “Ordering Guide for Cisco IP Communications
> 8.5, UCL-based” for more info about migration pricing. Migration SKUs start
> on page 31.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>wrote:
>
>> I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple
>> months. Here is what I have learned:
>>
>> 1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala
>> carte' licensing. It is now UCL.
>> 2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no
>> additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all
>> included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
>> 3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
>> 4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more
>> confusing when migrating and upgrading.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>wrote:
>>
>>> Matthew
>>> Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this
>>> during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got
>>> shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the
>>> licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC
>>> and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was
>>> sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line
>>> and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and
>>> thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on
>>> the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then
>>> was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity
>>> Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an
>>> Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max
>>> Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin [at] gmail>wrote:
>>>
>>>> License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity
>>>> Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses
>>>> if necessary from cisco licensing operations.
>>>>
>>>> -matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for
>>>>> Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
>>>>> If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and
>>>>> that should work for CUC 8 as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
>>>>> MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity
>>>>>> Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed
>>>>>> for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer
>>>>>> has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their
>>>>>> original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber
>>>>>> now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1965 Greenspring Drive
>>>>>> Timonium, MD 21093
>>>>>>
>>>>>> voice. 410.252.8830
>>>>>> fax. 410.252.9284
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Helion/252157915296>
>>>>>> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
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lelio at uoguelph

Feb 29, 2012, 8:47 AM

Post #11 of 15 (4054 views)
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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

This scares me a little... from what I understood, this 3+3 (currently a promo as I understand it as well) is for upgrading from one major version to another major version if you were not on UCSS.

I can't imagine Cisco telling you at time of UCSS renewal you have to do this. If you let UCSS lapse, then yes, this will likely kick in.

Lelio


---
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Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>
To: "Ted Nugent" <tednugent73 [at] gmail>
Cc: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip [at] puck>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:31:40 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade


Perhaps due to the quantity of business we give to Cisco they are allowing us to migrate at no cost but Ted is correct, there is a fee associated with migrating to UCL. I've found the listing in the configuration tool.

What bugs me about the whole 'migration cost' is you're effectively re-purchasing licenses you already own.



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ted Nugent < tednugent73 [at] gmail > wrote:




As of UC 8.5 from a licensing stand point “Ala Carte” licensing is no more as Erick mentioned however is there is absolutely a fee associated with the migration to UCL. Currently that migration fee is $3 per Enhanced Seat providing you purchase 3 Years of UCSS at the same time @ $26 List, I believe that is a promotion so that may change in the future. You will not run into this until your UCSS renewal or until you’re UCSS/ESW lapses and you attempt to renew it. At which point you will need to select a licensing model (CUWL or UCL) in order to renew or reactivate UCSS. I would like a Cisco PM (if one watches this list) to jump in and give some insight on how renewals will be enforced? Our renewal department still appears to be pumping out UCSS renewals without requiring a licensing migration as outlined in the UCSS ordering guide, will that change?



Those with access can see the “Ordering Guide for Cisco IP Communications 8.5, UCL-based” for more info about migration pricing. Migration SKUs start on page 31.


On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Erick Wellnitz < ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail > wrote:



I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple months. Here is what I have learned:

1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala carte' licensing. It is now UCL.
2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more confusing when migrating and upgrading.




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent < tednugent73 [at] gmail > wrote:



Matthew
Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin < msaskin [at] gmail > wrote:


License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if necessary from cisco licensing operations.

-matthew




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent < tednugent73 [at] gmail > wrote:



I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and that should work for CUC 8 as well.




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch < MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies > wrote:








I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this?

Thanks!





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tednugent73 at gmail

Feb 29, 2012, 9:18 AM

Post #12 of 15 (4039 views)
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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

Agreed Lelio... renewal is a VERY gray area I would like to hear from Cisco
how they will be handling this and how they will be effectively forcing
people to pick a licensing platform if their UCSS does not expire.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio [at] uoguelph> wrote:

> This scares me a little... from what I understood, this 3+3 (currently a
> promo as I understand it as well) is for upgrading from one major version
> to another major version if you were not on UCSS.
>
> I can't imagine Cisco telling you at time of UCSS renewal you have to do
> this. If you let UCSS lapse, then yes, this will likely kick in.
>
> Lelio
>
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>
> *To: *"Ted Nugent" <tednugent73 [at] gmail>
> *Cc: *"cisco-voip" <cisco-voip [at] puck>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:31:40 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade
>
> Perhaps due to the quantity of business we give to Cisco they are
> allowing us to migrate at no cost but Ted is correct, there is a fee
> associated with migrating to UCL. I've found the listing in the
> configuration tool.
>
> What bugs me about the whole 'migration cost' is you're effectively
> re-purchasing licenses you already own.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>wrote:
>
>> As of UC 8.5 from a licensing stand point “Ala Carte” licensing is no
>> more as Erick mentioned however is there is absolutely a fee associated
>> with the migration to UCL. Currently that migration fee is $3 per Enhanced
>> Seat providing you purchase 3 Years of UCSS at the same time @ $26 List, I
>> believe that is a promotion so that may change in the future. You will not
>> run into this until your UCSS renewal or until you’re UCSS/ESW lapses and
>> you attempt to renew it. At which point you will need to select a licensing
>> model (CUWL or UCL) in order to renew or reactivate UCSS. I would like a
>> Cisco PM (if one watches this list) to jump in and give some insight on how
>> renewals will be enforced? Our renewal department still appears to be
>> pumping out UCSS renewals without requiring a licensing migration as
>> outlined in the UCSS ordering guide, will that change?
>>
>>
>>
>> Those with access can see the “Ordering Guide for Cisco IP Communications
>> 8.5, UCL-based” for more info about migration pricing. Migration SKUs start
>> on page 31.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>wrote:
>>
>>> I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple
>>> months. Here is what I have learned:
>>>
>>> 1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala
>>> carte' licensing. It is now UCL.
>>> 2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no
>>> additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all
>>> included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
>>> 3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with
>>> CUWL.
>>> 4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more
>>> confusing when migrating and upgrading.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>> Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this
>>>> during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got
>>>> shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the
>>>> licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC
>>>> and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was
>>>> sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line
>>>> and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and
>>>> thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on
>>>> the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then
>>>> was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity
>>>> Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an
>>>> Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max
>>>> Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin [at] gmail>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity
>>>>> Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses
>>>>> if necessary from cisco licensing operations.
>>>>>
>>>>> -matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for
>>>>>> Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
>>>>>> If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD
>>>>>> and that should work for CUC 8 as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
>>>>>> MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity
>>>>>>> Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed
>>>>>>> for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer
>>>>>>> has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their
>>>>>>> original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber
>>>>>>> now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matthew G. Loraditch - CCVP, CCNA, CCDA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1965 Greenspring Drive
>>>>>>> Timonium, MD 21093
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> voice. 410.252.8830
>>>>>>> fax. 410.252.9284
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/heliontech> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Helion/252157915296>
>>>>>>> | Website <http://www.heliontechnologies.com/> | Email Support<support [at] heliontechnologies?subject=Technical%20Support%20Request>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
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MLoraditch at heliontechnologies

Feb 29, 2012, 10:00 AM

Post #13 of 15 (4027 views)
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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

The way I understand from a logistical point of view (NOT from a this is officially the way you do it POV) is that as long as whatever you have on your esw is not EOL you can keep renewing that along with the applicable UCSS
Once whatever parts you have on there fade from existence you will have to add ESW for what the new parts would be to your contract. Whatever renewal that is, is in most cases going to cost you more than your last renewal.

Now frankly, I would suggest not waiting for EOL and doing this ahead of time, but as of right now. I am not aware of being forced to do this early.

So you will not be paying for upgraded licenses per se but the more expensive ESW that is associated with the new licenses you got for "free"




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1965 Greenspring Drive
Timonium, MD 21093

voice. 410.252.8830
fax. 410.252.9284

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From: cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck] On Behalf Of Ted Nugent
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: cisco-voip
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade

Agreed Lelio... renewal is a VERY gray area I would like to hear from Cisco how they will be handling this and how they will be effectively forcing people to pick a licensing platform if their UCSS does not expire.
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio [at] uoguelph<mailto:lelio [at] uoguelph>> wrote:
This scares me a little... from what I understood, this 3+3 (currently a promo as I understand it as well) is for upgrading from one major version to another major version if you were not on UCSS.

I can't imagine Cisco telling you at time of UCSS renewal you have to do this. If you let UCSS lapse, then yes, this will likely kick in.

Lelio



---
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Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

________________________________
From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail<mailto:ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>>
To: "Ted Nugent" <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>>
Cc: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip [at] puck<mailto:cisco-voip [at] puck>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:31:40 AM

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade
Perhaps due to the quantity of business we give to Cisco they are allowing us to migrate at no cost but Ted is correct, there is a fee associated with migrating to UCL. I've found the listing in the configuration tool.

What bugs me about the whole 'migration cost' is you're effectively re-purchasing licenses you already own.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>> wrote:
As of UC 8.5 from a licensing stand point "Ala Carte" licensing is no more as Erick mentioned however is there is absolutely a fee associated with the migration to UCL. Currently that migration fee is $3 per Enhanced Seat providing you purchase 3 Years of UCSS at the same time @ $26 List, I believe that is a promotion so that may change in the future. You will not run into this until your UCSS renewal or until you're UCSS/ESW lapses and you attempt to renew it. At which point you will need to select a licensing model (CUWL or UCL) in order to renew or reactivate UCSS. I would like a Cisco PM (if one watches this list) to jump in and give some insight on how renewals will be enforced? Our renewal department still appears to be pumping out UCSS renewals without requiring a licensing migration as outlined in the UCSS ordering guide, will that change?

Those with access can see the "Ordering Guide for Cisco IP Communications 8.5, UCL-based" for more info about migration pricing. Migration SKUs start on page 31.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail<mailto:ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>> wrote:
I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple months. Here is what I have learned:

1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala carte' licensing. It is now UCL.
2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more confusing when migrating and upgrading.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>> wrote:
Matthew
Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin [at] gmail<mailto:msaskin [at] gmail>> wrote:
License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if necessary from cisco licensing operations.

-matthew

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>> wrote:
I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and that should work for CUC 8 as well.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies<mailto:MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies>> wrote:
I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this?
Thanks!


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1965 Greenspring Drive
Timonium, MD 21093

voice. 410.252.8830<tel:410.252.8830>
fax. 410.252.9284<tel:410.252.9284>

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Feb 29, 2012, 1:52 PM

Post #14 of 15 (4017 views)
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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

AH HAH... I found the answer I was looking for actually documented... If
you have Active UCSS then you automatically migrate from Ala Carte to UCL
during an upgrade to CM 8.x+. So as Erick mentioned above "3. There is no
migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL." absolutely
true if you have active UCSS.
IF you let your ESW or UCSS lapse then you're stuck paying for the
Migration.... FYI for those that don't know if your ESW lapses so does your
UCSS since you can't have active UCSS without ESW.

Reference - Page 21
http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/UK/public_sector/ict/assets/Microsoft_PowerPoint_-_Hot_Topic_Welcome.pdf





On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Matthew Loraditch <
MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:

> The way I understand from a logistical point of view (NOT from a this is
> officially the way you do it POV) is that as long as whatever you have on
> your esw is not EOL you can keep renewing that along with the applicable
> UCSS****
>
> Once whatever parts you have on there fade from existence you will have to
> add ESW for what the new parts would be to your contract. Whatever renewal
> that is, is in most cases going to cost you more than your last renewal.**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Now frankly, I would suggest not waiting for EOL and doing this ahead of
> time, but as of right now. I am not aware of being forced to do this early.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> So you will not be paying for upgraded licenses per se but the more
> expensive ESW that is associated with the new licenses you got for “free”*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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> ** **
>
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>
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> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck [mailto:
> cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck] *On Behalf Of *Ted Nugent
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi
> *Cc:* cisco-voip
>
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade****
>
> ** **
>
> Agreed Lelio... renewal is a VERY gray area I would like to hear from
> Cisco how they will be handling this and how they will be effectively
> forcing people to pick a licensing platform if their UCSS does not expire.
> ****
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio [at] uoguelph>
> wrote:****
>
> This scares me a little... from what I understood, this 3+3 (currently a
> promo as I understand it as well) is for upgrading from one major version
> to another major version if you were not on UCSS.
>
> I can't imagine Cisco telling you at time of UCSS renewal you have to do
> this. If you let UCSS lapse, then yes, this will likely kick in.
>
> Lelio****
>
>
>
>
> ---
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> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
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>
> *From: *"Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>
> *To: *"Ted Nugent" <tednugent73 [at] gmail>
> *Cc: *"cisco-voip" <cisco-voip [at] puck>****
>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:31:40 AM****
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade****
>
> Perhaps due to the quantity of business we give to Cisco they are
> allowing us to migrate at no cost but Ted is correct, there is a fee
> associated with migrating to UCL. I've found the listing in the
> configuration tool.****
>
> ****
>
> What bugs me about the whole 'migration cost' is you're effectively
> re-purchasing licenses you already own.****
>
> ****
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>
> wrote:****
>
> As of UC 8.5 from a licensing stand point “Ala Carte” licensing is no more
> as Erick mentioned however is there is absolutely a fee associated with the
> migration to UCL. Currently that migration fee is $3 per Enhanced Seat
> providing you purchase 3 Years of UCSS at the same time @ $26 List, I
> believe that is a promotion so that may change in the future. You will not
> run into this until your UCSS renewal or until you’re UCSS/ESW lapses and
> you attempt to renew it. At which point you will need to select a licensing
> model (CUWL or UCL) in order to renew or reactivate UCSS. I would like a
> Cisco PM (if one watches this list) to jump in and give some insight on how
> renewals will be enforced? Our renewal department still appears to be
> pumping out UCSS renewals without requiring a licensing migration as
> outlined in the UCSS ordering guide, will that change?****
>
> ****
>
> Those with access can see the “Ordering Guide for Cisco IP Communications
> 8.5, UCL-based” for more info about migration pricing. Migration SKUs start
> on page 31.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>
> wrote:****
>
> I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple
> months. Here is what I have learned:****
>
> ****
>
> 1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala carte'
> licensing. It is now UCL. ****
>
> 2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no
> additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all
> included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.****
>
> 3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
> ****
>
> 4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more
> confusing when migrating and upgrading.****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail> wrote:
> ****
>
> Matthew****
>
> Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this
> during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got
> shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the
> licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC
> and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was
> sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line
> and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and
> thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on
> the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then
> was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity
> Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an
> Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max
> Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....****
>
>
> ****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin [at] gmail> wrote:
> ****
>
> License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection,
> as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if
> necessary from cisco licensing operations.
>
> -matthew ****
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail>
> wrote:****
>
> I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala
> Carte... (not sure about UCL)****
>
> If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and
> that should work for CUC 8 as well.****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
> MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies> wrote:****
>
> I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection
> licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free.
> The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS
> and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16
> ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250
> ports! Does anyone know the process for this? ****
>
> Thanks!****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
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>
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Mar 7, 2012, 7:04 AM

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Re: Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade [In reply to]

So an update for folks on my original query, you can just order them for free!
Top Level Part L-UNITYCN8-LIC-UPG
Then there is the L-UNCN8-ADD-PORT and you can pick as many as you want. My distributor successfully placed an order for it. It's edelivery so it's only a day or so turnaround.

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From: Ted Nugent [mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:52 PM
To: Matthew Loraditch
Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi; cisco-voip
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade

AH HAH... I found the answer I was looking for actually documented... If you have Active UCSS then you automatically migrate from Ala Carte to UCL during an upgrade to CM 8.x+. So as Erick mentioned above "3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL." absolutely true if you have active UCSS.
IF you let your ESW or UCSS lapse then you're stuck paying for the Migration.... FYI for those that don't know if your ESW lapses so does your UCSS since you can't have active UCSS without ESW.

Reference - Page 21
http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/UK/public_sector/ict/assets/Microsoft_PowerPoint_-_Hot_Topic_Welcome.pdf





On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Matthew Loraditch <MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies<mailto:MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies>> wrote:
The way I understand from a logistical point of view (NOT from a this is officially the way you do it POV) is that as long as whatever you have on your esw is not EOL you can keep renewing that along with the applicable UCSS
Once whatever parts you have on there fade from existence you will have to add ESW for what the new parts would be to your contract. Whatever renewal that is, is in most cases going to cost you more than your last renewal.

Now frankly, I would suggest not waiting for EOL and doing this ahead of time, but as of right now. I am not aware of being forced to do this early.

So you will not be paying for upgraded licenses per se but the more expensive ESW that is associated with the new licenses you got for "free"




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From: cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces [at] puck>] On Behalf Of Ted Nugent
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: cisco-voip

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade

Agreed Lelio... renewal is a VERY gray area I would like to hear from Cisco how they will be handling this and how they will be effectively forcing people to pick a licensing platform if their UCSS does not expire.
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio [at] uoguelph<mailto:lelio [at] uoguelph>> wrote:
This scares me a little... from what I understood, this 3+3 (currently a promo as I understand it as well) is for upgrading from one major version to another major version if you were not on UCSS.

I can't imagine Cisco telling you at time of UCSS renewal you have to do this. If you let UCSS lapse, then yes, this will likely kick in.

Lelio



---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

________________________________
From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail<mailto:ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>>
To: "Ted Nugent" <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>>
Cc: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip [at] puck<mailto:cisco-voip [at] puck>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:31:40 AM

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade
Perhaps due to the quantity of business we give to Cisco they are allowing us to migrate at no cost but Ted is correct, there is a fee associated with migrating to UCL. I've found the listing in the configuration tool.

What bugs me about the whole 'migration cost' is you're effectively re-purchasing licenses you already own.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>> wrote:
As of UC 8.5 from a licensing stand point "Ala Carte" licensing is no more as Erick mentioned however is there is absolutely a fee associated with the migration to UCL. Currently that migration fee is $3 per Enhanced Seat providing you purchase 3 Years of UCSS at the same time @ $26 List, I believe that is a promotion so that may change in the future. You will not run into this until your UCSS renewal or until you're UCSS/ESW lapses and you attempt to renew it. At which point you will need to select a licensing model (CUWL or UCL) in order to renew or reactivate UCSS. I would like a Cisco PM (if one watches this list) to jump in and give some insight on how renewals will be enforced? Our renewal department still appears to be pumping out UCSS renewals without requiring a licensing migration as outlined in the UCSS ordering guide, will that change?

Those with access can see the "Ordering Guide for Cisco IP Communications 8.5, UCL-based" for more info about migration pricing. Migration SKUs start on page 31.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail<mailto:ewellnitzvoip [at] gmail>> wrote:
I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple months. Here is what I have learned:

1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala carte' licensing. It is now UCL.
2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no additional cost. CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more confusing when migrating and upgrading.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>> wrote:
Matthew
Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got shot down by licensing. In normal migration fashion, I had to take the licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin [at] gmail<mailto:msaskin [at] gmail>> wrote:
License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter. For Unity Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if necessary from cisco licensing operations.

-matthew

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 [at] gmail<mailto:tednugent73 [at] gmail>> wrote:
I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and that should work for CUC 8 as well.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies<mailto:MLoraditch [at] heliontechnologies>> wrote:
I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this?
Thanks!


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