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Sandy.Lee at dti

Nov 4, 2009, 11:44 AM

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CUC and AD integration

Hi,

I would like to know if any of you guys did an AD integration with Unity
Connection? We are replacing our legacy voicemail system with CUC in the
next few weeks. Our actual CUCM is not integrated with AD, so it would
be our first move towards it. What are the pros and cons? Eventually, we
plan to integrate CUCM and CUCCX when we migrate to 7.x

I just wonder what would be the best move: integrating CUC now or wait
and integrate with AD once all our apps are at 7.x?

Thanks and regards.

Sandy.

lelio at uoguelph

Nov 4, 2009, 11:47 AM

Post #2 of 10 (226 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

I have decided to integrate the two (Connection and CCM) separately. Well, I'm 99% sure anyways. I have not seen any advantage to integrating Connection into CCM so far. If it had a deeper integration, like updating display names, and extensions, maybe. But as far as I know it doesn't.

Plus, if you ever have to update your CCM, who knows what havoc it will do on the integration. I know our AD will be around and stable for a while. Hopefully.

I'm interested in hearing other thoughts.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy Lee" <Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca>
To: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 2:44:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

Hi,

I would like to know if any of you guys did an AD integration with Unity Connection? We are replacing our legacy voicemail system with CUC in the next few weeks. Our actual CUCM is not integrated with AD, so it would be our first move towards it. What are the pros and cons? Eventually, we plan to integrate CUCM and CUCCX when we migrate to 7.x

I just wonder what would be the best move: integrating CUC now or wait and integrate with AD once all our apps are at 7.x?

Thanks and regards.

Sandy.
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svoll.voip at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 12:50 PM

Post #3 of 10 (222 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

CM and UC "should" be totally separate.

if you do one it should not affect the other.

UCCx on the other hand is directly related to CM.

just my two cents.

and CM only does a LDAP lookup. it does nothing to AD. Unlike old windows
version of CM.

Scott

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio[at]uoguelph.ca> wrote:

> I have decided to integrate the two (Connection and CCM) separately. Well,
> I'm 99% sure anyways. I have not seen any advantage to integrating
> Connection into CCM so far. If it had a deeper integration, like updating
> display names, and extensions, maybe. But as far as I know it doesn't.
>
> Plus, if you ever have to update your CCM, who knows what havoc it will do
> on the integration. I know our AD will be around and stable for a while.
> Hopefully.
>
> I'm interested in hearing other thoughts.
>
>
> ---
>
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sandy Lee" <Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca>
> To: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 2:44:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I would like to know if any of you guys did an AD integration with Unity
> Connection? We are replacing our legacy voicemail system with CUC in the
> next few weeks. Our actual CUCM is not integrated with AD, so it would be
> our first move towards it. What are the pros and cons? Eventually, we plan
> to integrate CUCM and CUCCX when we migrate to 7.x
>
>
>
> I just wonder what would be the best move: integrating CUC now or wait and
> integrate with AD once all our apps are at 7.x?
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards.
>
>
>
> Sandy.
>
> _______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list
> cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
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>
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>
>

voicenoob at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 1:58 PM

Post #4 of 10 (222 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

Why should they be separate? I always integrate CUCM to LDAP and integrate
all other products to CUCM. Why should I not use the CUCM this way?

From: cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Scott Voll
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:51 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

CM and UC "should" be totally separate.

if you do one it should not affect the other.

UCCx on the other hand is directly related to CM.

just my two cents.

and CM only does a LDAP lookup. it does nothing to AD. Unlike old windows
version of CM.

Scott

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio[at]uoguelph.ca> wrote:

I have decided to integrate the two (Connection and CCM) separately. Well,
I'm 99% sure anyways. I have not seen any advantage to integrating
Connection into CCM so far. If it had a deeper integration, like updating
display names, and extensions, maybe. But as far as I know it doesn't.

Plus, if you ever have to update your CCM, who knows what havoc it will do
on the integration. I know our AD will be around and stable for a while.
Hopefully.

I'm interested in hearing other thoughts.

---

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sandy Lee" <Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca>
To: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 2:44:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

Hi,

I would like to know if any of you guys did an AD integration with Unity
Connection? We are replacing our legacy voicemail system with CUC in the
next few weeks. Our actual CUCM is not integrated with AD, so it would be
our first move towards it. What are the pros and cons? Eventually, we plan
to integrate CUCM and CUCCX when we migrate to 7.x

I just wonder what would be the best move: integrating CUC now or wait and
integrate with AD once all our apps are at 7.x?

Thanks and regards.

Sandy.

_______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list
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svoll.voip at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 2:04 PM

Post #5 of 10 (222 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

didn't know UC used CM.

I'm a Unity shop and that always does LDAP directly to AD.

I must be wrong with UC.

Sorry

Scott

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM, VoiceNoob <voicenoob[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> Why should they be separate? I always integrate CUCM to LDAP and
> integrate all other products to CUCM. Why should I not use the CUCM this
> way?
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net [mailto:
> cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Scott Voll
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:51 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi
> *Cc:* cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration
>
>
>
> CM and UC "should" be totally separate.
>
>
>
> if you do one it should not affect the other.
>
>
>
> UCCx on the other hand is directly related to CM.
>
>
>
> just my two cents.
>
>
>
> and CM only does a LDAP lookup. it does nothing to AD. Unlike old windows
> version of CM.
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio[at]uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>
> I have decided to integrate the two (Connection and CCM) separately. Well,
> I'm 99% sure anyways. I have not seen any advantage to integrating
> Connection into CCM so far. If it had a deeper integration, like updating
> display names, and extensions, maybe. But as far as I know it doesn't.
>
> Plus, if you ever have to update your CCM, who knows what havoc it will do
> on the integration. I know our AD will be around and stable for a while.
> Hopefully.
>
> I'm interested in hearing other thoughts.
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Sandy Lee" <Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca>
> To: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 2:44:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I would like to know if any of you guys did an AD integration with Unity
> Connection? We are replacing our legacy voicemail system with CUC in the
> next few weeks. Our actual CUCM is not integrated with AD, so it would be
> our first move towards it. What are the pros and cons? Eventually, we plan
> to integrate CUCM and CUCCX when we migrate to 7.x
>
>
>
> I just wonder what would be the best move: integrating CUC now or wait and
> integrate with AD once all our apps are at 7.x?
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards.
>
>
>
> Sandy.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list
> cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cisco-voip mailing list
> cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
>
>
>

voicenoob at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 2:20 PM

Post #6 of 10 (218 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

You can setup Connection to look at UCM or an external LDAP or use an
internal directory.

If you didn't know the products we were talking about why did you chime in
with an opinion?

From: Scott Voll [mailto:svoll.voip[at]gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:04 PM
To: VoiceNoob
Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi; cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

didn't know UC used CM.

I'm a Unity shop and that always does LDAP directly to AD.

I must be wrong with UC.

Sorry

Scott

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM, VoiceNoob <voicenoob[at]gmail.com> wrote:

Why should they be separate? I always integrate CUCM to LDAP and integrate
all other products to CUCM. Why should I not use the CUCM this way?

From: cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Scott Voll
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:51 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

CM and UC "should" be totally separate.

if you do one it should not affect the other.

UCCx on the other hand is directly related to CM.

just my two cents.

and CM only does a LDAP lookup. it does nothing to AD. Unlike old windows
version of CM.

Scott

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio[at]uoguelph.ca> wrote:

I have decided to integrate the two (Connection and CCM) separately. Well,
I'm 99% sure anyways. I have not seen any advantage to integrating
Connection into CCM so far. If it had a deeper integration, like updating
display names, and extensions, maybe. But as far as I know it doesn't.

Plus, if you ever have to update your CCM, who knows what havoc it will do
on the integration. I know our AD will be around and stable for a while.
Hopefully.

I'm interested in hearing other thoughts.

---

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sandy Lee" <Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca>
To: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 2:44:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

Hi,

I would like to know if any of you guys did an AD integration with Unity
Connection? We are replacing our legacy voicemail system with CUC in the
next few weeks. Our actual CUCM is not integrated with AD, so it would be
our first move towards it. What are the pros and cons? Eventually, we plan
to integrate CUCM and CUCCX when we migrate to 7.x

I just wonder what would be the best move: integrating CUC now or wait and
integrate with AD once all our apps are at 7.x?

Thanks and regards.

Sandy.

_______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list
cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip

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Sandy.Lee at dti

Nov 5, 2009, 8:00 AM

Post #7 of 10 (198 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

Is it a big deal to integrate UCM with AD? Because I'm in the voice
team, then there's the "windows" team which manages the AD and then,
there's the "security" team, which are very very very afraid of anything
that might talk to the AD. So if I want to integrate with AD, I have to
justify and prove without a doubt to the security team, that my voice
system won't be messing around with the AD. Like I said, I'm in voice,
so I don't know anything about the AD.

Also, what if I integrate UC with the AD, let say in a few months, will
it have a big impact on the users? Am I better to do it right now from
the start ?

Thanks.

Sandy.

From: cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of VoiceNoob
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:21 PM
To: 'Scott Voll'
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

You can setup Connection to look at UCM or an external LDAP or use an
internal directory.

If you didn't know the products we were talking about why did you chime
in with an opinion?

svoll.voip at gmail

Nov 5, 2009, 8:15 AM

Post #8 of 10 (198 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

What version of CM?

CM only looks at AD. it does not insert anything like CM 4.x and previous.

it's just using AD for pass through authentication.

Scott

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Sandy Lee <Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca> wrote:

> Is it a big deal to integrate UCM with AD? Because I�m in the voice team,
> then there�s the �windows� team which manages the AD and then, there�s the
> �security� team, which are very very very afraid of anything that might talk
> to the AD. So if I want to integrate with AD, I have to justify and prove
> without a doubt to the security team, that my voice system won�t be messing
> around with the AD. Like I said, I�m in voice, so I don�t know anything
> about the AD.
>
>
>
> Also, what if I integrate UC with the AD, let say in a few months, will it
> have a big impact on the users? Am I better to do it right now from the
> start ?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sandy.
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net [mailto:
> cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *VoiceNoob
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:21 PM
> *To:* 'Scott Voll'
>
> *Cc:* cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration
>
>
>
> You can setup Connection to look at UCM or an external LDAP or use an
> internal directory.
>
>
>
> If you didn�t know the products we were talking about why did you chime in
> with an opinion?
>
> _______________________________________________
> cisco-voip mailing list
> cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
>
>

Matt.Slaga at us

Nov 5, 2009, 8:20 AM

Post #9 of 10 (195 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

UCM 5.x and later AD synchronization is one-way read only, from AD to Cisco. Cisco has no access to make changes or insert any data into AD. This usually gets the green light to the security teams. If you are on an earlier version, the integration is much more intense.

From: cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Scott Voll
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:15 AM
To: Sandy Lee
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

What version of CM?

CM only looks at AD. it does not insert anything like CM 4.x and previous.

it's just using AD for pass through authentication.

Scott
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Sandy Lee <Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca<mailto:Sandy.Lee[at]dti.ulaval.ca>> wrote:
Is it a big deal to integrate UCM with AD? Because I'm in the voice team, then there's the "windows" team which manages the AD and then, there's the "security" team, which are very very very afraid of anything that might talk to the AD. So if I want to integrate with AD, I have to justify and prove without a doubt to the security team, that my voice system won't be messing around with the AD. Like I said, I'm in voice, so I don't know anything about the AD.

Also, what if I integrate UC with the AD, let say in a few months, will it have a big impact on the users? Am I better to do it right now from the start ?

Thanks.
Sandy.

From: cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net>] On Behalf Of VoiceNoob
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:21 PM
To: 'Scott Voll'

Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

You can setup Connection to look at UCM or an external LDAP or use an internal directory.

If you didn't know the products we were talking about why did you chime in with an opinion?

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:25 AM

Post #10 of 10 (195 views)
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Re: CUC and AD integration [In reply to]

CUCM linking to AD is a read-only function (CUCM reads several attributes
from AD, changes nothing). It is a pretty easy integration and I'd
recommend doing it from the start. Only thing to be careful of is that once
integrated CUCM needs to see a phone number in AD, otherwise the CUCM
directory will be empty. The other thing is that AD sync at a minimum of
every 6 hours. Rush adds require you to re-sycn the direcoty and I know
this does impose some penalty on the publisher.

I've not worked with Unity Connections much, but I know there was a schema
update that Unity required be run on AD. I do not know if UC requires the
same.

From: cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:00 AM
To: VoiceNoob
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

Is it a big deal to integrate UCM with AD? Because I'm in the voice team,
then there's the "windows" team which manages the AD and then, there's the
"security" team, which are very very very afraid of anything that might talk
to the AD. So if I want to integrate with AD, I have to justify and prove
without a doubt to the security team, that my voice system won't be messing
around with the AD. Like I said, I'm in voice, so I don't know anything
about the AD.

Also, what if I integrate UC with the AD, let say in a few months, will it
have a big impact on the users? Am I better to do it right now from the
start ?

Thanks.

Sandy.

From: cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of VoiceNoob
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:21 PM
To: 'Scott Voll'
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUC and AD integration

You can setup Connection to look at UCM or an external LDAP or use an
internal directory.

If you didn't know the products we were talking about why did you chime in
with an opinion?

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