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JMad at cityofevanston

Nov 3, 2009, 1:17 PM

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Outbound Call parameters?

So as I understand it my route group/list is what dictates my outbound
call gateway distribution. But what determines how I best use those
gateways seems to be limited to two algorithms, top down and
circular...neither of which seem to do what I want....

We have a new PRI in the mix that gives us a set number of free local
minutes (36,000). But the minutes after that are at a slightly higher
rate. Is there a way to get CUCM to best utilize the new PRI and it's
free minutes?

I don't think there's a way to tell CUCM to "use the first 36,000
minutes on PRI A then start using PRI B.

There doesn't appear to be a way to even set ratios for gateways. Like
a 2:3 ratio for PRI A and PRI B, respectively. In theory if this ratio
was similar to my amount of free minutes vs. total minutes I would, over
time come fairly close to using all the free minutes and as few of the
"after free, more expensive" minutes.

Am I missing something, or is this just a limitation of CUCM?

Even if I have to send all calls to the new PRI I will still save money
in the long run, but wasting money is still wasting money.

JonM

svoll.voip at gmail

Nov 3, 2009, 2:42 PM

Post #2 of 5 (115 views)
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Re: Outbound Call parameters? [In reply to]

I don't think there is anything in CM to do this. with some time and a lot
of energy you could look through CDRs and try and route calls based on past
calling patterns....... But that is not my idea of a good time.

Scott

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan <
JMad[at]cityofevanston.org> wrote:

> So as I understand it my route group/list is what dictates my outbound
> call gateway distribution. But what determines how I best use those
> gateways seems to be limited to two algorithms, top down and
> circular…neither of which seem to do what I want….
>
>
>
> We have a new PRI in the mix that gives us a set number of free local
> minutes (36,000). But the minutes after that are at a slightly higher
> rate. Is there a way to get CUCM to best utilize the new PRI and it’s free
> minutes?
>
>
>
> I don’t think there’s a way to tell CUCM to “use the first 36,000 minutes
> on PRI A then start using PRI B.
>
>
>
> There doesn’t appear to be a way to even set ratios for gateways. Like a
> 2:3 ratio for PRI A and PRI B, respectively. In theory if this ratio was
> similar to my amount of free minutes vs. total minutes I would, over time
> come fairly close to using all the free minutes and as few of the “after
> free, more expensive” minutes.
>
>
>
> Am I missing something, or is this just a limitation of CUCM?
>
>
>
> Even if I have to send all calls to the new PRI I will still save money in
> the long run, but wasting money is still wasting money.
>
>
>
> JonM
>
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dan.voip at danofive

Nov 3, 2009, 3:15 PM

Post #3 of 5 (115 views)
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Re: Outbound Call parameters? [In reply to]

Maybe some type of TCL IVR script that kept a record of time used.

You could use the TCL script to prefix numbers to a call and match them on
the pots dial peers to go out the correct PRI

Not that I would use this but just thinking if its possible.

The call could be answered by the TCL, Time variable checked, decide what
PRI to use prefix the number and dial again.

sounds feasible?

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think there is anything in CM to do this. with some time and a lot
> of energy you could look through CDRs and try and route calls based on past
> calling patterns....... But that is not my idea of a good time.
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan <
> JMad[at]cityofevanston.org> wrote:
>
>> So as I understand it my route group/list is what dictates my outbound
>> call gateway distribution. But what determines how I best use those
>> gateways seems to be limited to two algorithms, top down and
>> circular…neither of which seem to do what I want….
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a new PRI in the mix that gives us a set number of free local
>> minutes (36,000). But the minutes after that are at a slightly higher
>> rate. Is there a way to get CUCM to best utilize the new PRI and it’s free
>> minutes?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t think there’s a way to tell CUCM to “use the first 36,000 minutes
>> on PRI A then start using PRI B.
>>
>>
>>
>> There doesn’t appear to be a way to even set ratios for gateways. Like a
>> 2:3 ratio for PRI A and PRI B, respectively. In theory if this ratio was
>> similar to my amount of free minutes vs. total minutes I would, over time
>> come fairly close to using all the free minutes and as few of the “after
>> free, more expensive” minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something, or is this just a limitation of CUCM?
>>
>>
>>
>> Even if I have to send all calls to the new PRI I will still save money in
>> the long run, but wasting money is still wasting money.
>>
>>
>>
>> JonM
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cisco-voip mailing list
>> cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
>>
>>
>
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>

lelio at uoguelph

Nov 3, 2009, 6:21 PM

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Re: Outbound Call parameters? [In reply to]

With a little effort, you should be able to write a script that parses CDR records every X minutes and calculates based on route pattern/gateway the total number of long distance minutes used. It won't be live, but you can at least get an email message when you are getting close.
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel
To: Scott Voll
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Outbound Call parameters?

Maybe some type of TCL IVR script that kept a record of time used.

You could use the TCL script to prefix numbers to a call and match them on the pots dial peers to go out the correct PRI

Not that I would use this but just thinking if its possible.

The call could be answered by the TCL, Time variable checked, decide what PRI to use prefix the number and dial again.

sounds feasible?

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip[at]gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think there is anything in CM to do this. with some time and a lot of energy you could look through CDRs and try and route calls based on past calling patterns....... But that is not my idea of a good time.

Scott

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan <JMad[at]cityofevanston.org> wrote:

So as I understand it my route group/list is what dictates my outbound call gateway distribution. But what determines how I best use those gateways seems to be limited to two algorithms, top down and circular…neither of which seem to do what I want….

We have a new PRI in the mix that gives us a set number of free local minutes (36,000). But the minutes after that are at a slightly higher rate. Is there a way to get CUCM to best utilize the new PRI and it’s free minutes?

I don’t think there’s a way to tell CUCM to “use the first 36,000 minutes on PRI A then start using PRI B.

There doesn’t appear to be a way to even set ratios for gateways. Like a 2:3 ratio for PRI A and PRI B, respectively. In theory if this ratio was similar to my amount of free minutes vs. total minutes I would, over time come fairly close to using all the free minutes and as few of the “after free, more expensive” minutes.

Am I missing something, or is this just a limitation of CUCM?

Even if I have to send all calls to the new PRI I will still save money in the long run, but wasting money is still wasting money.

JonM

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JMad at cityofevanston

Nov 4, 2009, 8:59 AM

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Re: Outbound Call parameters? [In reply to]

Oooo interesting ideas, I will have to play with them.

Thanks!

Jonathan

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[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:21 PM
To: Daniel; Scott Voll
Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Outbound Call parameters?

With a little effort, you should be able to write a script that parses
CDR records every X minutes and calculates based on route
pattern/gateway the total number of long distance minutes used. It won't
be live, but you can at least get an email message when you are getting
close.

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel <mailto:dan.voip[at]danofive.id.au>

To: Scott Voll <mailto:svoll.voip[at]gmail.com>

Cc: cisco-voip[at]puck.nether.net

Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Outbound Call parameters?

Maybe some type of TCL IVR script that kept a record of time
used.

You could use the TCL script to prefix numbers to a call and
match them on the pots dial peers to go out the correct PRI

Not that I would use this but just thinking if its possible.

The call could be answered by the TCL, Time variable checked,
decide what PRI to use prefix the number and dial again.

sounds feasible?

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Scott Voll
<svoll.voip[at]gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think there is anything in CM to do this. with some
time and a lot of energy you could look through CDRs and try and route
calls based on past calling patterns....... But that is not my idea of a
good time.

Scott

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan
<JMad[at]cityofevanston.org> wrote:

So as I understand it my route group/list is what
dictates my outbound call gateway distribution. But what determines how
I best use those gateways seems to be limited to two algorithms, top
down and circular...neither of which seem to do what I want....

We have a new PRI in the mix that gives us a set number
of free local minutes (36,000). But the minutes after that are at a
slightly higher rate. Is there a way to get CUCM to best utilize the
new PRI and it's free minutes?

I don't think there's a way to tell CUCM to "use the
first 36,000 minutes on PRI A then start using PRI B.

There doesn't appear to be a way to even set ratios for
gateways. Like a 2:3 ratio for PRI A and PRI B, respectively. In
theory if this ratio was similar to my amount of free minutes vs. total
minutes I would, over time come fairly close to using all the free
minutes and as few of the "after free, more expensive" minutes.

Am I missing something, or is this just a limitation of
CUCM?

Even if I have to send all calls to the new PRI I will
still save money in the long run, but wasting money is still wasting
money.

JonM

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