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mcrocker at crocker

Sep 9, 2007, 12:08 PM

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Routing recommendations

I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to grow.
This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my upstream,
1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/NPE-
G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?

-Matt

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christian at 0x1f

Sep 9, 2007, 12:52 PM

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the 7201 (1U) is built on the npe-g2, has 4 built in GigE ports and slot for
1 PA.. backplane is around 1.8gbps

im not sure the capacity of the 3800s...

On 9/9/07, Matthew Crocker <mcrocker[at]crocker.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
> 1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to grow.
> This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my upstream,
> 1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
> routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
> Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
> requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/NPE-
> G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?
>
> -Matt
>
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peter.salanki at bahnhof

Sep 9, 2007, 1:49 PM

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You may be able to pull this off with NPE-G2. I wouldn't say that a
GSR is overkill though, depending on lineards ofc. 1gbps of 64byte
traffic is pretty much.

Sincerely

Peter Salanki
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www.bahnhof.se
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Cell: +46709174932


9 sep 2007 kl. 21.08 skrev Matthew Crocker:

>
> I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
> 1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to grow.
> This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my upstream,
> 1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
> routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
> Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
> requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/NPE-
> G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?
>
> -Matt
>
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sthaug at nethelp

Sep 9, 2007, 3:15 PM

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> I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
> 1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to grow.
> This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my upstream,
> 1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
> routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
> Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
> requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/NPE-
> G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?

If other vendors are relevant you might look at the Juniper M7i.

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug[at]nethelp.no
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howard at leadmon

Sep 9, 2007, 6:33 PM

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If you really need that high packet rate, then I would agree the 7201 sounds
like a great solution. I was considering a 7201 myself, but ended up with an
7206/NPE-G2, as I also had the need for several T1's, and a T3, so the extra
slots are handy.

If your only going to have one transit point into the router, not sure I see
the need for the full BGP table, and if you could avoid that, there are some
nice switches that would really fit a GE only environment..


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-nsp-bounces[at]puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-
> bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of christian
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:52 PM
> To: Matthew Crocker
> Cc: Cisco-nsp List
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Routing recommendations
>
> the 7201 (1U) is built on the npe-g2, has 4 built in GigE ports and slot for
> 1 PA.. backplane is around 1.8gbps
>
> im not sure the capacity of the 3800s...
>
> On 9/9/07, Matthew Crocker <mcrocker[at]crocker.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
> > 1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to grow.
> > This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my upstream,
> > 1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
> > routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
> > Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
> > requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/NPE-
> > G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?
> >
> > -Matt
> >
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mcrocker at crocker

Sep 9, 2007, 7:36 PM

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I don't need the packet rate except to survive a DDoS, 1gbps @
64byte packets = 2.3Mpps which Cisco says the NPE-G2 can do. My
normal data rates are an order of magnitude less in PPS. I have
multiple upstreams, My plan is to get a 7201 (or J-series) for each
upstream, basically dedicate a router per upstream. 2 GigE
upstreams, 2 routers, GigE link between the two (iBGP) . I like the
7201 with 4 GigEs, 1 for upstream, 1 for x-router link, 2 for HSRP
to core switches.


-Matt


On Sep 9, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Howard Leadmon wrote:

>
> If you really need that high packet rate, then I would agree the
> 7201 sounds
> like a great solution. I was considering a 7201 myself, but ended
> up with an
> 7206/NPE-G2, as I also had the need for several T1's, and a T3, so
> the extra
> slots are handy.
>
> If your only going to have one transit point into the router, not
> sure I see
> the need for the full BGP table, and if you could avoid that, there
> are some
> nice switches that would really fit a GE only environment..
>
>
> ---
> Howard Leadmon
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cisco-nsp-bounces[at]puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-
>> bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of christian
>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:52 PM
>> To: Matthew Crocker
>> Cc: Cisco-nsp List
>> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Routing recommendations
>>
>> the 7201 (1U) is built on the npe-g2, has 4 built in GigE ports
>> and slot for
>> 1 PA.. backplane is around 1.8gbps
>>
>> im not sure the capacity of the 3800s...
>>
>> On 9/9/07, Matthew Crocker <mcrocker[at]crocker.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
>>> 1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to grow.
>>> This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my
>>> upstream,
>>> 1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
>>> routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
>>> Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
>>> requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/
>>> NPE-
>>> G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>>
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swmike at swm

Sep 9, 2007, 10:13 PM

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On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Matthew Crocker wrote:

>
> I don't need the packet rate except to survive a DDoS, 1gbps @
> 64byte packets = 2.3Mpps which Cisco says the NPE-G2 can do. My
> normal data rates are an order of magnitude less in PPS. I have
> multiple upstreams, My plan is to get a 7201 (or J-series) for each
> upstream, basically dedicate a router per upstream. 2 GigE
> upstreams, 2 routers, GigE link between the two (iBGP) . I like the
> 7201 with 4 GigEs, 1 for upstream, 1 for x-router link, 2 for HSRP
> to core switches.

2.3 Mpps with a NPE-G2 at full routing table, I don't even think Cisco
markering would say that should work.

I'd recommend a used Cisco 7304 instead, or a 7604 with Sup720 and a 6724
LC, but that's also a bit overkill.

Otoh if you already have an Engine 2 or Engine 3 gig card in that 12008 of
yours, it's a good packet mover and you should stick with it.

--
Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike[at]swm.pp.se
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nick.nauwelaerts at thomson

Sep 10, 2007, 12:21 AM

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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:cisco-nsp-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of
> Matthew Crocker
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 21:08
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> Subject: [c-nsp] Routing recommendations
>
>
> I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
> 1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to
> grow.
> This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my
> upstream,
> 1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
> routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
> Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
> requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/NPE-
> G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?

And to complement the other responses. 3800's most likely won't cut it.
Our 3845 goes up to 45% cpu on a single 1gbit tcp stream. I'd hate to
think about what 64byte packets would do to it.

// nick
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frnkblk at iname

Sep 10, 2007, 7:42 PM

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Re: Routing recommendations [In reply to]

Would the right 3750-ME work?

Frank

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I'm looking for a router with 3 GigE interfaces, capable of moving
1gbps of traffic (64byte) and a full BGP table, with room to grow.
This would be for a border router scenario, 1 GigE from my upstream,
1 GigE to my core switch and 1 GigE to interconnect two of these
routers. Right now I have a GSR8 w/ GRP-B but that is overkill.
Redundant power/controllers would be nice but certainly not a
requirement. Would I be able to get anything smaller than 7204/NPE-
G1, Will anything in the 3800 series handle 1 gig of traffic?

-Matt

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efraim at clues

Sep 11, 2007, 6:08 AM

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Mikael, All,

[...]
> 2.3 Mpps with a NPE-G2 at full routing table, I don't even think Cisco
> markering would say that should work.
>
> I'd recommend a used Cisco 7304 instead, or a 7604 with Sup720 and a 6724
> LC, but that's also a bit overkill.

would the general public on this list agree and say that with us approaching
256k routes the use of the smaller 65xx based boxes makes only very limited
sense? I cannot help but think a M5 or M7i used or something is more up to
that task than any 6503/6504/6524ME or 7206.

If one compares the M5/M7i with 7304, what would you chose? I will happily
favour Juniper over any and all Cisco boxes personally - less limitations.

Alexander,
bored - and since that thread ran by...

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efraim at clues

Sep 11, 2007, 6:15 AM

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Folks,

before I get flamed:

> would the general public on this list agree and say that with us approaching
> 256k routes the use of the smaller 65xx based boxes makes only very limited
> sense? I cannot help but think a M5 or M7i used or something is more up to
> that task than any 6503/6504/6524ME or 7206.

65xx specifically because of the limit of up to 256k routes only, unless you
want to put a Sup 720 3BXL or so in a 6503/6504. The 7206 I ruled out as I was
thinking of something that can move maybe 2-3 Gigs of actual traffic.

Alexander

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justin at justinshore

Sep 11, 2007, 7:04 AM

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Especially considering that the 3845 is only capable of 256Mbps.

I'd recommend a 7201 or a short-stack 7600.

Justin

nick.nauwelaerts[at]thomson.com wrote:
> And to complement the other responses. 3800's most likely won't cut it.
> Our 3845 goes up to 45% cpu on a single 1gbit tcp stream. I'd hate to
> think about what 64byte packets would do to it.

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mtinka at globaltransit

Sep 12, 2007, 2:33 AM

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On Tuesday 11 September 2007 22:04, Justin Shore wrote:

> I'd recommend a 7201 or a short-stack 7600.

Skipping off a bit... considering that the 7600 uses the
same Supervisor (say, in this case, SUP720-3BXL) across all
supported chassis', I'd be careful in making sure I get a
chassis that will give me the mileage from such a spend
(especially if a redundant RP/SP design is in play).

But then again, perhaps chassis' are not as dramatically
expensive to upgrade as the line cards, PSU's and
Supervisor engines they need to house.

Mark.


frnkblk at iname

Sep 12, 2007, 9:43 AM

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Justin:

Can you explain where you found the 256 Mbps number?

Regards,

Frank

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Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Routing recommendations

Especially considering that the 3845 is only capable of 256Mbps.

I'd recommend a 7201 or a short-stack 7600.

Justin

nick.nauwelaerts[at]thomson.com wrote:
> And to complement the other responses. 3800's most likely won't cut it.
> Our 3845 goes up to 45% cpu on a single 1gbit tcp stream. I'd hate to
> think about what 64byte packets would do to it.

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justin at justinshore

Sep 12, 2007, 11:02 AM

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Sure. It's from Cisco's Portable Product Sheet for the routers.

http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf

With CEF switching the 3845 is capable of 256Mbps. Without CEF the 3845
can process switch at up to 17.92Mbps. These numbers are pretty
accurate. I've been in situations to test them out with lower-end
routers. The tests are performed with 64-byte IP packets with
absolutely no features enabled to get the max performance out of the
device. It's a handy PDF to keep in your toolchest. There's a
switching one out there too but I don't have a link. It's easier to
find with a Google search.

Justin


Frank Bulk wrote:
> Justin:
>
> Can you explain where you found the 256 Mbps number?
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:cisco-nsp-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Justin Shore
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:05 AM
> To: nick.nauwelaerts[at]thomson.com
> Cc: cisco-nsp[at]puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Routing recommendations
>
> Especially considering that the 3845 is only capable of 256Mbps.

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noc at mynet

Sep 12, 2007, 11:25 AM

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Re: Routing recommendations [In reply to]

I guess you found the switch pdf here:
http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/tools/quickreference/index.html

There you can find even more useful pdfs, like IOS Packing, Router
Memory, ...


Greets,
Bernd



Justin Shore schrieb:
> Sure. It's from Cisco's Portable Product Sheet for the routers.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>
> With CEF switching the 3845 is capable of 256Mbps. Without CEF the 3845
> can process switch at up to 17.92Mbps. These numbers are pretty
> accurate. I've been in situations to test them out with lower-end
> routers. The tests are performed with 64-byte IP packets with
> absolutely no features enabled to get the max performance out of the
> device. It's a handy PDF to keep in your toolchest. There's a
> switching one out there too but I don't have a link. It's easier to
> find with a Google search.
>
> Justin
>
>
> Frank Bulk wrote:
>
>> Justin:
>>
>> Can you explain where you found the 256 Mbps number?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cisco-nsp-bounces[at]puck.nether.net
>> [mailto:cisco-nsp-bounces[at]puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Justin Shore
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>> To: nick.nauwelaerts[at]thomson.com
>> Cc: cisco-nsp[at]puck.nether.net
>> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Routing recommendations
>>
>> Especially considering that the 3845 is only capable of 256Mbps.
>>
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