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william.mccall at gmail

Nov 22, 2009, 11:20 AM

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Re: [j-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???

Sorry to re-open. Good job to HP for generating noise. Anyone want to
buy some procurve switches?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:34 AM, christian koch <ck [at] sandcastl> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Omachonu Ogali <oogali [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> How much is "buzz" worth? About the same as YouTube views. (In South Park
>> speak, "theoretical dollars").
>>
>> If you can't convert *positive* buzz into revenue, your marketing efforts
>> will serve as nothing more than "brand awareness" campaigns.
>>
>> By this point in the conversation, it should be obvious the buzz is turning
>> negative:
>> a) overtones of disinterest due to dubious marketing,
>> b) people biting the bait on what seems to be a month long viral campaign
>> that *still* has 15 more days to go before phase 2,
>> c) conversation shift from the mystery product, to debating whether the
>> marketing works -- and we still don't know what's being marketed other than
>> common sense ("You hate vendor lock-in, I hate vendor lock-in, let's be
>> friends")
>>
>
> well said, and agreed
>
> -ck
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sethm at rollernet

Nov 22, 2009, 11:32 AM

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William McCall wrote:
> Sorry to re-open. Good job to HP for generating noise. Anyone want to
> buy some procurve switches?
>

I have a few that I've been comparing to Cisco in the L2-only arena. Had
to deal with support once for a switch stuck in a reboot loop. They
overnighted me a new one after one call. Much faster and more pleasant
experience than a comparable 4 day experience with TAC replacing an 877W
that wouldn't even post. The university I worked at as a student did a
whole campus replacement of Cisco for ProCurve.

~Seth
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justin at justinshore

Nov 22, 2009, 9:31 PM

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William McCall wrote:
> Sorry to re-open. Good job to HP for generating noise. Anyone want to
> buy some procurve switches?

I don't own a boat, hence no need for a boat anchor.

Justin

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chris at lavin-llc

Nov 25, 2009, 1:07 PM

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Snippet:

>The university I worked at as a student did a
> whole campus replacement of Cisco for ProCurve.
>
> ~Seth

I'm involved in an 'alternative switch vendor' discussion and lab testing.
ProCurve and Juniper switches are in our lab and undergoing some poking
and proding.

I am not at all familiar with HP ProCurve. The recent announcement
concerns me. What happens if during the overlap analysis HP dumps some of
their product line? Did we lose time making an effort to learn new
products, configurations and vendor-suggested best practices? Knowing
almost everyone's shop runs too thin and too fast, losing ground to
incorporate something that may no longer be sold seems like a possible
mistake in judgement and a blow to morale.

-chris

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pavel.skovajsa at gmail

Nov 27, 2009, 1:46 AM

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In my opinion HP bought 3com in order to get its market share in China and
Asia, I doubt they will dump their product lines of the Provision ASIC
switches.

"""""
The acquisition of 3Com will dramatically expand HP’s Ethernet switching
offerings, add routing solutions and significantly strengthen the company’s
position in China – one of the world’s fastest-growing markets – via the H3C
offerings. In addition, the combination will add a large and talented
research and development team in China that will drive the acceleration of
innovations to HP’s networking solutions.
"""""

-pavel skovajsa

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:07 PM, <chris [at] lavin-llc> wrote:

> Snippet:
>
> >The university I worked at as a student did a
> > whole campus replacement of Cisco for ProCurve.
> >
> > ~Seth
>
> I'm involved in an 'alternative switch vendor' discussion and lab testing.
> ProCurve and Juniper switches are in our lab and undergoing some poking
> and proding.
>
> I am not at all familiar with HP ProCurve. The recent announcement
> concerns me. What happens if during the overlap analysis HP dumps some of
> their product line? Did we lose time making an effort to learn new
> products, configurations and vendor-suggested best practices? Knowing
> almost everyone's shop runs too thin and too fast, losing ground to
> incorporate something that may no longer be sold seems like a possible
> mistake in judgement and a blow to morale.
>
> -chris
>
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mtinka at globaltransit

Nov 27, 2009, 1:54 AM

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On Thursday 26 November 2009 05:07:04 am chris [at] lavin-llc
wrote:

> I am not at all familiar with HP ProCurve. The recent
> announcement concerns me. What happens if during the
> overlap analysis HP dumps some of their product line?
> Did we lose time making an effort to learn new products,
> configurations and vendor-suggested best practices?
> Knowing almost everyone's shop runs too thin and too
> fast, losing ground to incorporate something that may no
> longer be sold seems like a possible mistake in
> judgement and a blow to morale.

It is a risk we all take when working with vendors. That is
why we try to stick to the ones who have a track record for
"surviving" :-).

Some have been gobbled up, others have straight-out
collapsed. There might be a higher cost to pay, in the short
term, for limiting your choices, but the long term benefit
of not having to "worry" about it are worth it.

We've had it all - Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Alcatel, Nortel,
BayStack, Xyplex, 3Com, HP, Foundry, e.t.c. When I joined,
we cut all that out and stuck with Cisco + Juniper. We've
been better off for it.

Cheers,

Mark.

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