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taher at unixwars

Sep 22, 2009, 7:14 AM

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Improving the Cherokee-Project website

Hi everybody.

I've been talking to Alvaro recently about our website, and both of us
think it has been needing a cleanup for some time now. The theme has
been around for some years, and though it was really nice at the time it
hasn't been aging too well. It's not bad, but there is something not
quite right either, and the contents are oddly structured.

Constant changes and additions have been making it start to look a
little worn around the edges, and it's not really too trendy anymore.
I'm not necessarily talking about a redesign here, but at least a major
cleanup is really needed. I'm willing to take the job, but not being
particularly gifted when it comes to anything remotely artistic, I was
hoping our community could give some advice, suggestions, or even some
help with this matter.

The only thing Alvaro and I have agreed on is that the site should still
be as clean and lightweight as possible.

Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)

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stefan at konink

Sep 22, 2009, 7:21 AM

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Taher Shihadeh schreef:
> Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)

The FAQ.

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Sep 22, 2009, 7:25 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

Agreed, although the homepage is the part that makes my eyes itch the most.
But I should have added "and how".

Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve, and how?
;-)

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>> Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)
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> The FAQ.
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> Stefan
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Sep 22, 2009, 7:26 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

Taher,

I had a similar conversation with Alvaro when I was getting started
with Cherokee.

I think the look and feel are fine, however the organizational part of
the information is what you pointed out needing revised mostly. I
would say get to work on the information part with current design.
After that is completed it will be much more useful and suitable to
reskin the look and feel. That's how I would approach it.

Search ability of the content would be a good feature I've needed many times.

I'll come up with some other recommendations as I get back to work later today.

-Paul

On 9/22/09, Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars> wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> I've been talking to Alvaro recently about our website, and both of us
> think it has been needing a cleanup for some time now. The theme has
> been around for some years, and though it was really nice at the time it
> hasn't been aging too well. It's not bad, but there is something not
> quite right either, and the contents are oddly structured.
>
> Constant changes and additions have been making it start to look a
> little worn around the edges, and it's not really too trendy anymore.
> I'm not necessarily talking about a redesign here, but at least a major
> cleanup is really needed. I'm willing to take the job, but not being
> particularly gifted when it comes to anything remotely artistic, I was
> hoping our community could give some advice, suggestions, or even some
> help with this matter.
>
> The only thing Alvaro and I have agreed on is that the site should still
> be as clean and lightweight as possible.
>
> Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)
>
> --
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>
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abarrera at neurosecurity

Sep 22, 2009, 7:27 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

On Tuesday 22 September 2009 16:21:34 Stefan de Konink wrote:
> aher Shihadeh schreef:
> > Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)
>
> The FAQ.

The news section. It has very old entries and doesn't really reflects what's
going on with the project. I would give it more protagonism.

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Sep 22, 2009, 7:33 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

I can talk with my friends... maybe I can "find" a new layout for
Cherokee-Project...

For now I can "share" layout that is on cherokee-project.pl.

I can help with any 'effects', jquery etc no problem. ( Some time ago
I've made a new download page for Cherokee-project.com )....

Generally I will help, with "anything" that I can... Naturally it
depends of my free time...

//I know alobbs... I know... ;P

Greetings
Jędrzej Nowak

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars> wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> I've been talking to Alvaro recently about our website, and both of us
> think it has been needing a cleanup for some time now. The theme has
> been around for some years, and though it was really nice at the time it
> hasn't been aging too well. It's not bad, but there is something not
> quite right either, and the contents are oddly structured.
>
> Constant changes and additions have been making it start to look a
> little worn around the edges, and it's not really too trendy anymore.
> I'm not necessarily talking about a redesign here, but at least a major
> cleanup is really needed. I'm willing to take the job, but not being
> particularly gifted when it comes to anything remotely artistic, I was
> hoping our community could give some advice, suggestions, or even some
> help with this matter.
>
> The only thing Alvaro and I have agreed on is that the site should still
> be as clean and lightweight as possible.
>
> Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)
>
> --
> taher [at] unixwars
> http://unixwars.com/
>
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linportal at gmail

Sep 22, 2009, 7:37 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

Taher Shihadeh wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> I've been talking to Alvaro recently about our website, and both of us
> think it has been needing a cleanup for some time now. The theme has
> been around for some years, and though it was really nice at the time it
> hasn't been aging too well. It's not bad, but there is something not
> quite right either, and the contents are oddly structured.
>
> Constant changes and additions have been making it start to look a
> little worn around the edges, and it's not really too trendy anymore.
> I'm not necessarily talking about a redesign here, but at least a major
> cleanup is really needed. I'm willing to take the job, but not being
> particularly gifted when it comes to anything remotely artistic, I was
> hoping our community could give some advice, suggestions, or even some
> help with this matter.
>
> The only thing Alvaro and I have agreed on is that the site should still
> be as clean and lightweight as possible.
>
> Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)
>

Please, get rid of those popups jumping at me just because I'm moving
mouse pointer on the screen. Happens near "Can you improve this entry?"
lines, and is so annoying.

Other than that, the site looks pretty to me as it is :), I'd probably
put more useful links right on the front page, e.g. link to the
repository, bug tracking system and other stuff...

It looks like the site would render just fine in 800x600, which is other
way of saying that it pretty much sucks at 1680x1050 and more. I'd use
1024x768 as a minimum supported screen size, I think it's reasonable
choice these days, but if you don't believe me consult your favorite
analytics package and check what is common these days. :)
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Sep 22, 2009, 4:37 PM

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars> wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> I've been talking to Alvaro recently about our website, and both of us
> think it has been needing a cleanup for some time now. The theme has
> been around for some years, and though it was really nice at the time it
> hasn't been aging too well. It's not bad, but there is something not
> quite right either, and the contents are oddly structured.

Nope. I'd say put all the effort you guys can into updating the
documentation. Great docs == great website.
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jorge.sarmiento at gmail

Sep 22, 2009, 6:30 PM

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> Nope. I'd say put all the effort you guys can into updating the
> documentation. Great docs == great website.
>

I agree on that, the design and colors are fine (for me), but the general
documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little reorganization and more
detail on certain parts too.

In case you need hands on this, I got some time for helping

Jorge S.

email at davebv

Sep 22, 2009, 11:32 PM

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I think one of the most important thing is to have a forum. The mailing list
is ok, but in the forum is easier to find the information.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Jorge Sarmiento
<jorge.sarmiento [at] gmail>wrote:

>
> Nope. I'd say put all the effort you guys can into updating the
>> documentation. Great docs == great website.
>>
>
> I agree on that, the design and colors are fine (for me), but the general
> documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little reorganization and more
> detail on certain parts too.
>
> In case you need hands on this, I got some time for helping
>
> Jorge S.
>
>
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>

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Sep 23, 2009, 12:02 AM

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+1, a forum is the best place for support and structured discussion.

Tom Peach

On 23 Sep 2009, at 08:32, David Becerril <email [at] davebv> wrote:

> I think one of the most important thing is to have a forum. The
> mailing list is ok, but in the forum is easier to find the
> information.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Jorge Sarmiento <jorge.sarmiento [at] gmail
> > wrote:
>
> Nope. I'd say put all the effort you guys can into updating the
> documentation. Great docs == great website.
>
> I agree on that, the design and colors are fine (for me), but the
> general documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little
> reorganization and more detail on certain parts too.
>
> In case you need hands on this, I got some time for helping
>
> Jorge S.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> neral
>> documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little reorganization
>> and more
>> detail on certain parts too.
>>
>> In case you need hands on

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Sep 23, 2009, 1:09 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

+1 for forums also :)

On 9/23/09, Tom Peach <mail [at] tompeach> wrote:
> +1, a forum is the best place for support and structured discussion.
>
> Tom Peach
>
> On 23 Sep 2009, at 08:32, David Becerril <email [at] davebv> wrote:
>
>> I think one of the most important thing is to have a forum. The
>> mailing list is ok, but in the forum is easier to find the
>> information.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Jorge Sarmiento
>> <jorge.sarmiento [at] gmail
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Nope. I'd say put all the effort you guys can into updating the
>> documentation. Great docs == great website.
>>
>> I agree on that, the design and colors are fine (for me), but the
>> general documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little
>> reorganization and more detail on certain parts too.
>>
>> In case you need hands on this, I got some time for helping
>>
>> Jorge S.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cherokee mailing list
>> Cherokee [at] lists
>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee
>>
>>
>> neral
>>> documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little reorganization
>>> and more
>>> detail on certain parts too.
>>>
>>> In case you need hands on
>
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Sep 23, 2009, 1:26 AM

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The present cherokee website looks very professional. And the big font is
very soothing to the eyes to read.

A forum or a wiki would be good addition .

http://www.octality.com/ - this website looks damn cool ; if you can theme
the site similarly that had be great
:)

That would give a very professional touch .

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:39 PM, pub crawler <pubcrawler.com [at] gmail>wrote:

> +1 for forums also :)
>
> On 9/23/09, Tom Peach <mail [at] tompeach> wrote:
> > +1, a forum is the best place for support and structured discussion.
> >
> > Tom Peach
> >
> > On 23 Sep 2009, at 08:32, David Becerril <email [at] davebv> wrote:
> >
> >> I think one of the most important thing is to have a forum. The
> >> mailing list is ok, but in the forum is easier to find the
> >> information.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Jorge Sarmiento
> >> <jorge.sarmiento [at] gmail
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Nope. I'd say put all the effort you guys can into updating the
> >> documentation. Great docs == great website.
> >>
> >> I agree on that, the design and colors are fine (for me), but the
> >> general documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little
> >> reorganization and more detail on certain parts too.
> >>
> >> In case you need hands on this, I got some time for helping
> >>
> >> Jorge S.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cherokee mailing list
> >> Cherokee [at] lists
> >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee
> >>
> >>
> >> neral
> >>> documentation needs not only a cleanup, but a little reorganization
> >>> and more
> >>> detail on certain parts too.
> >>>
> >>> In case you need hands on
> >
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taher at unixwars

Sep 23, 2009, 2:50 AM

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OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more
compact ;)
So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less (please
do correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):

FAQ: +
Reorganize: ++
Search ability: +
News: +
Reskin: ~~+--
Documentation: ++
Forum: +++
Wiki: +

I would say FAQ fits in Documentation, and the '~' in reskin would fit
into the website reorganization category (I've used these when the
opinion was in the line of liking the theme but recommending resolution
improvements and things like that).

It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can
tell, there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001
onward), but it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough
man power to keep it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the
whole story since my involvement with the project started after the
removal. I think Alvaro should have the final word on this (when he gets
some free time to look into it) ;)

It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now,
in the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power.
Do we agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on
the site?

Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good
place to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the
tabs you've got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got
the time, do you think you could do something like that?

I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
accordingly), so wish me luck.

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Sep 23, 2009, 3:59 AM

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Taher: No problem, tabs similar to that one that I have on
cherokee-project.pl are easy to "setup". Anyway Have you seen my
download site for cherokee-project.com ??

Pozdrawiam
Jędrzej Nowak

2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
> OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more compact
> ;)
> So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less (please do
> correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):
>
> FAQ: +
> Reorganize: ++
> Search ability: +
> News: +
> Reskin: ~~+--
> Documentation: ++
> Forum: +++
> Wiki: +
>
> I would say FAQ fits in Documentation, and the '~' in reskin would fit into
> the website reorganization category (I've used these when the opinion was in
> the line of liking the theme but recommending resolution improvements and
> things like that).
>
> It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can tell,
> there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001 onward), but
> it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough man power to keep
> it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the whole story since my
> involvement with the project started after the removal. I think Alvaro
> should have the final word on this (when he gets some free time to look into
> it) ;)
>
> It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now, in
> the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power. Do we
> agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on the site?
>
> Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
> offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
> Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good place
> to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the tabs you've
> got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got the time, do you
> think you could do something like that?
>
> I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
> accordingly), so wish me luck.
>
> --
> taher [at] unixwars
> http://unixwars.com/
>
>
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Sep 23, 2009, 4:21 AM

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I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what exactly you are talking about.
Is it one of these ([1], [2]), or are we talking about something else?
Maybe I missed something. Btw, the list of mirrors on [2] is a bit
outdated ;-)

Anyway, I believe you have a lot more taste than I do when it comes to
design, so by all means... :)
We've also got the website on SVN ([3]). As you can see, the main idea
is to keep the content as static as possible.
Just let me know if you need anything.

[1] http://www.cherokee-project.com/downloads.html
[2] http://cherokee-project.pl/pages/download
[3] svn.cherokee-project.com/web

Jędrzej Nowak wrote:
> Taher: No problem, tabs similar to that one that I have on
> cherokee-project.pl are easy to "setup". Anyway Have you seen my
> download site for cherokee-project.com ??
>
>
> Pozdrawiam
> Jędrzej Nowak
>
>
>
> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>
>> OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more compact
>> ;)
>> So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less (please do
>> correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):
>>
>> FAQ: +
>> Reorganize: ++
>> Search ability: +
>> News: +
>> Reskin: ~~+--
>> Documentation: ++
>> Forum: +++
>> Wiki: +
>>
>> I would say FAQ fits in Documentation, and the '~' in reskin would fit into
>> the website reorganization category (I've used these when the opinion was in
>> the line of liking the theme but recommending resolution improvements and
>> things like that).
>>
>> It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can tell,
>> there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001 onward), but
>> it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough man power to keep
>> it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the whole story since my
>> involvement with the project started after the removal. I think Alvaro
>> should have the final word on this (when he gets some free time to look into
>> it) ;)
>>
>> It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now, in
>> the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power. Do we
>> agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on the site?
>>
>> Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
>> offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
>> Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good place
>> to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the tabs you've
>> got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got the time, do you
>> think you could do something like that?
>>
>> I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
>> accordingly), so wish me luck.
>>
>> --
>> taher [at] unixwars
>> http://unixwars.com/
>>
>>
>>

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Sep 23, 2009, 5:16 AM

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Taher,

That's old version of that page... I've made some times ago different
one, with that tabs... but really NO idea where it is now...

Alobbs should have it on disk... Me too but where it is ;D

Pozdrawiam
Jędrzej Nowak

2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
> I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what exactly you are talking about.
> Is it one of these ([1], [2]), or are we talking about something else? Maybe
> I missed something. Btw, the list of mirrors on [2] is a bit outdated ;-)
>
> Anyway, I believe you have a lot more taste than I do when it comes to
> design, so by all means... :)
> We've also got the website on SVN ([3]). As you can see, the main idea is to
> keep the content as static as possible.
> Just let me know if you need anything.
>
> [1] http://www.cherokee-project.com/downloads.html
> [2] http://cherokee-project.pl/pages/download
> [3] svn.cherokee-project.com/web
>
> Jędrzej Nowak wrote:
>>
>> Taher: No problem, tabs similar to that one that I have on
>> cherokee-project.pl are easy to "setup". Anyway Have you seen my
>> download site for cherokee-project.com ??
>>
>>
>> Pozdrawiam
>> Jędrzej Nowak
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>>
>>>
>>> OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more
>>> compact
>>> ;)
>>> So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less (please
>>> do
>>> correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):
>>>
>>> FAQ: +
>>> Reorganize: ++
>>> Search ability: +
>>> News: +
>>> Reskin: ~~+--
>>> Documentation: ++
>>> Forum: +++
>>> Wiki: +
>>>
>>> I would say FAQ fits in Documentation, and the '~' in reskin would fit
>>> into
>>> the website reorganization category (I've used these when the opinion was
>>> in
>>> the line of liking the theme but recommending resolution improvements and
>>> things like that).
>>>
>>> It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can tell,
>>> there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001 onward),
>>> but
>>> it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough man power to
>>> keep
>>> it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the whole story since my
>>> involvement with the project started after the removal. I think Alvaro
>>> should have the final word on this (when he gets some free time to look
>>> into
>>> it) ;)
>>>
>>> It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now, in
>>> the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power. Do
>>> we
>>> agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on the site?
>>>
>>> Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
>>> offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
>>> Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good
>>> place
>>> to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the tabs
>>> you've
>>> got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got the time, do
>>> you
>>> think you could do something like that?
>>>
>>> I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
>>> accordingly), so wish me luck.
>>>
>>> --
>>> taher [at] unixwars
>>> http://unixwars.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> taher [at] unixwars
> http://unixwars.com/
>
>
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Sep 23, 2009, 5:18 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

It's here: http://pigmej.eu/cherokee_temp/downloads_cherokee.html (
enable JS ), without JS it looks like current one.

Pozdrawiam
Jędrzej Nowak

2009/9/23 Jędrzej Nowak <me [at] pigmej>:
> Taher,
>
> That's old version of that page... I've made some times ago different
> one, with that tabs... but really NO idea where it is now...
>
> Alobbs should have it on disk... Me too but where it is ;D
>
>
> Pozdrawiam
> Jędrzej Nowak
>
>
>
> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>> I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what exactly you are talking about.
>> Is it one of these ([1], [2]), or are we talking about something else? Maybe
>> I missed something. Btw, the list of mirrors on [2] is a bit outdated ;-)
>>
>> Anyway, I believe you have a lot more taste than I do when it comes to
>> design, so by all means... :)
>> We've also got the website on SVN ([3]). As you can see, the main idea is to
>> keep the content as static as possible.
>> Just let me know if you need anything.
>>
>> [1] http://www.cherokee-project.com/downloads.html
>> [2] http://cherokee-project.pl/pages/download
>> [3] svn.cherokee-project.com/web
>>
>> Jędrzej Nowak wrote:
>>>
>>> Taher: No problem, tabs similar to that one that I have on
>>> cherokee-project.pl are easy to "setup". Anyway Have you seen my
>>> download site for cherokee-project.com ??
>>>
>>>
>>> Pozdrawiam
>>> Jędrzej Nowak
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more
>>>> compact
>>>> ;)
>>>> So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less (please
>>>> do
>>>> correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):
>>>>
>>>> FAQ: +
>>>> Reorganize: ++
>>>> Search ability: +
>>>> News: +
>>>> Reskin: ~~+--
>>>> Documentation: ++
>>>> Forum: +++
>>>> Wiki: +
>>>>
>>>> I would say FAQ fits in Documentation, and the '~' in reskin would fit
>>>> into
>>>> the website reorganization category (I've used these when the opinion was
>>>> in
>>>> the line of liking the theme but recommending resolution improvements and
>>>> things like that).
>>>>
>>>> It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can tell,
>>>> there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001 onward),
>>>> but
>>>> it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough man power to
>>>> keep
>>>> it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the whole story since my
>>>> involvement with the project started after the removal. I think Alvaro
>>>> should have the final word on this (when he gets some free time to look
>>>> into
>>>> it) ;)
>>>>
>>>> It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now, in
>>>> the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power. Do
>>>> we
>>>> agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on the site?
>>>>
>>>> Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
>>>> offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
>>>> Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good
>>>> place
>>>> to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the tabs
>>>> you've
>>>> got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got the time, do
>>>> you
>>>> think you could do something like that?
>>>>
>>>> I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
>>>> accordingly), so wish me luck.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> taher [at] unixwars
>>>> http://unixwars.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> taher [at] unixwars
>> http://unixwars.com/
>>
>>
>
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Sep 23, 2009, 5:29 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

That's definitely an improvement. Great work!
I like it very much :-)

Jędrzej Nowak wrote:
> It's here: http://pigmej.eu/cherokee_temp/downloads_cherokee.html (
> enable JS ), without JS it looks like current one.
>
>
> Pozdrawiam
> Jędrzej Nowak
>
>
>
> 2009/9/23 Jędrzej Nowak <me [at] pigmej>:
>
>> Taher,
>>
>> That's old version of that page... I've made some times ago different
>> one, with that tabs... but really NO idea where it is now...
>>
>> Alobbs should have it on disk... Me too but where it is ;D
>>
>>
>> Pozdrawiam
>> Jędrzej Nowak
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>>
>>> I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what exactly you are talking about.
>>> Is it one of these ([1], [2]), or are we talking about something else? Maybe
>>> I missed something. Btw, the list of mirrors on [2] is a bit outdated ;-)
>>>
>>> Anyway, I believe you have a lot more taste than I do when it comes to
>>> design, so by all means... :)
>>> We've also got the website on SVN ([3]). As you can see, the main idea is to
>>> keep the content as static as possible.
>>> Just let me know if you need anything.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.cherokee-project.com/downloads.html
>>> [2] http://cherokee-project.pl/pages/download
>>> [3] svn.cherokee-project.com/web
>>>
>>> Jędrzej Nowak wrote:
>>>
>>>> Taher: No problem, tabs similar to that one that I have on
>>>> cherokee-project.pl are easy to "setup". Anyway Have you seen my
>>>> download site for cherokee-project.com ??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pozdrawiam
>>>> Jędrzej Nowak
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more
>>>>> compact
>>>>> ;)
>>>>> So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less (please
>>>>> do
>>>>> correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):
>>>>>
>>>>> FAQ: +
>>>>> Reorganize: ++
>>>>> Search ability: +
>>>>> News: +
>>>>> Reskin: ~~+--
>>>>> Documentation: ++
>>>>> Forum: +++
>>>>> Wiki: +
>>>>>
>>>>> I would say FAQ fits in Documentation, and the '~' in reskin would fit
>>>>> into
>>>>> the website reorganization category (I've used these when the opinion was
>>>>> in
>>>>> the line of liking the theme but recommending resolution improvements and
>>>>> things like that).
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can tell,
>>>>> there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001 onward),
>>>>> but
>>>>> it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough man power to
>>>>> keep
>>>>> it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the whole story since my
>>>>> involvement with the project started after the removal. I think Alvaro
>>>>> should have the final word on this (when he gets some free time to look
>>>>> into
>>>>> it) ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now, in
>>>>> the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power. Do
>>>>> we
>>>>> agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on the site?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
>>>>> offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
>>>>> Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good
>>>>> place
>>>>> to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the tabs
>>>>> you've
>>>>> got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got the time, do
>>>>> you
>>>>> think you could do something like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
>>>>> accordingly), so wish me luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> taher [at] unixwars
>>>>> http://unixwars.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> --
>>> taher [at] unixwars
>>> http://unixwars.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

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Sep 23, 2009, 5:43 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

It's really old, April 2009 ;p

Pozdrawiam
Jędrzej Nowak

2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
> That's definitely an improvement. Great work!
> I like it very much :-)
>
> Jędrzej Nowak wrote:
>>
>> It's here: http://pigmej.eu/cherokee_temp/downloads_cherokee.html (
>> enable JS ), without JS it looks like current one.
>>
>>
>> Pozdrawiam
>> Jędrzej Nowak
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/23 Jędrzej Nowak <me [at] pigmej>:
>>
>>>
>>> Taher,
>>>
>>> That's old version of that page... I've made some times ago different
>>> one, with that tabs... but really NO idea where it is now...
>>>
>>> Alobbs should have it on disk... Me too but where it is ;D
>>>
>>>
>>> Pozdrawiam
>>> Jędrzej Nowak
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what exactly you are talking about.
>>>> Is it one of these ([1], [2]), or are we talking about something else?
>>>> Maybe
>>>> I missed something. Btw, the list of mirrors on [2] is a bit outdated
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I believe you have a lot more taste than I do when it comes to
>>>> design, so by all means... :)
>>>> We've also got the website on SVN ([3]). As you can see, the main idea
>>>> is to
>>>> keep the content as static as possible.
>>>> Just let me know if you need anything.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.cherokee-project.com/downloads.html
>>>> [2] http://cherokee-project.pl/pages/download
>>>> [3] svn.cherokee-project.com/web
>>>>
>>>> Jędrzej Nowak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Taher: No problem, tabs similar to that one that I have on
>>>>> cherokee-project.pl are easy to "setup". Anyway Have you seen my
>>>>> download site for cherokee-project.com ??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pozdrawiam
>>>>> Jędrzej Nowak
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/9/23 Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more
>>>>>> compact
>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>> So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less
>>>>>> (please
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FAQ: +
>>>>>> Reorganize: ++
>>>>>> Search ability: +
>>>>>> News: +
>>>>>> Reskin: ~~+--
>>>>>> Documentation: ++
>>>>>> Forum: +++
>>>>>> Wiki: +
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would say FAQ fits in Documentation, and the '~' in reskin would fit
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> the website reorganization category (I've used these when the opinion
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the line of liking the theme but recommending resolution improvements
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> things like that).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can
>>>>>> tell,
>>>>>> there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001 onward),
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough man power to
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the whole story since my
>>>>>> involvement with the project started after the removal. I think Alvaro
>>>>>> should have the final word on this (when he gets some free time to
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> it) ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now,
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power.
>>>>>> Do
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on the
>>>>>> site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
>>>>>> offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
>>>>>> Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the tabs
>>>>>> you've
>>>>>> got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got the time,
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> think you could do something like that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
>>>>>> accordingly), so wish me luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> taher [at] unixwars
>>>>>> http://unixwars.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> taher [at] unixwars
>>>> http://unixwars.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> taher [at] unixwars
> http://unixwars.com/
>
>
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Sep 23, 2009, 3:10 PM

Post #21 of 25 (1054 views)
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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

Hi!

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars> wrote:

> OK. I'm addressing several of you here just to keep the thread more
> compact ;)
> So, to summarize it all, we've got these proposals more or less (please
> do correct me if you see my interpretation as biased ;-) ):
>
> FAQ: +

+1

> Reorganize: ++

+1

> Search ability: +

+1

> News: +

+1

> Reskin: ~~+--

I think the general look is very good... I vote for minor changes.

> Documentation: ++

+1

> Forum: +++

+0.5

> Wiki: +

+1x10¹⁰

> It seems like the forum is a very demanded feature. As far as I can
> tell, there was a forum back in the early days of the project (2001
> onward), but it got removed some years ago because there wasn't enough
> man power to keep it clean of spammers and trolls. I don't know the
> whole story since my involvement with the project started after the
> removal. I think Alvaro should have the final word on this (when he gets
> some free time to look into it) ;)

I have an forum with phpBB 3 that deal very well with the spam.

The Wiki would be a great idea, but need work to avoid spam...

> It also seems reasonable to leave the reskinning task on hold for now,
> in the line of what most messages sugested about focusing the man power.
> Do we agree on documentation and reorganization of the information on
> the site?

Yes, I agree.

> Jorge: About your offer for the documentation, needless to say that an
> offering to lend a hand is always more than welcome ;-)
> Pigmej: Likewise. I think that restructuring our main page is a good
> place to start. Last time I spoke to Alvaro, we particularly liked the
> tabs you've got for "Aktualności, SVN, Lista Mailingowa". If you've got
> the time, do you think you could do something like that?

> I intend to write a lot of wizards these days (and modify the recipes
> accordingly), so wish me luck.

Good luck guy!... You did a really good job with the doc in the past,
so I expect a lot of good and useful wizards now... ;)

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Sep 24, 2009, 4:41 PM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Taher Shihadeh <taher [at] unixwars> wrote:

> I've been talking to Alvaro recently about our website, and both of us
> think it has been needing a cleanup for some time now.
>
> [snip]
>
> Please, feel free to jump in: what would you improve? ;-)
>

The design is fine. The only really lacking thing that I see is updated
documentation. Assuming that this gets done, it would be nice to keep docs
for older versions as well, similar to how Django keeps docs for the
development version, 1.0 and .96 [1]. Making docs a wiki would make this
much harder, but perhaps docs could be kept in a separate repository,
something that you could give more people commit access to (so you can
offload some of the work, but not trust everyone with code-commit access)?
Of course, hosting it on something like GitHub makes it that much easier for
us to submit changes. See, for instance, uzbl's website on GitHub.[5]

All I ask, if you do any AJAX changes, is to make sure that it's all
uninstrusive - that is, I can still do everything with Javascript turned
off.

A combination mailing list-forum would be quite useful; I haven't found any
packaged software to do that, but the Ruby forums[2] are pretty close. If
we go for standalone forums, might I suggest FluxBB[3]? It's simple and
light, which makes me think that it would be fairly well-viewed by Cherokee
users.

Mm, now that I'm thinking about design again, I'd suggest you keep the
easy2read[4] standard in mind. In short: don't make the body fonts smaller
than the default, make the line-spacing at least 1.5, and use whitespace to
make things easier on my eyes. As a general rule, when creating a new
design, I make sure to try and use the site while it's 2 or 3 hours past my
bedtime. If I can still read things with my blurry eyes, then it's alright.
:)

[1]: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/
[2]: http://www.ruby-forum.com/
[3]: http://fluxbb.org/
[4]: http://informationarchitects.jp/100E2R/
[5]: http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl-website

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Sep 24, 2009, 4:50 PM

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Regarding the website, could we maybe directly move to a Wiki (or Trac
wiki) site, so at least people that *know* how to improve documentation
can actually start doing this?

- From my point of view it doesn't have to be on the main site yet, but it
would be very good it people could actually start to contribute.

Stefan
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Sep 29, 2009, 12:12 AM

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM, pub crawler <pubcrawler.com [at] gmail>wrote:

+1 for forums also :)
>
> On 9/23/09, Tom Peach <mail [at] tompeach> wrote:
> > +1, a forum is the best place for support and structured discussion.
> >
> > Tom Peach
> >
> > On 23 Sep 2009, at 08:32, David Becerril <email [at] davebv> wrote:
> >
> >> I think one of the most important thing is to have a forum. The
> >> mailing list is ok, but in the forum is easier to find the
> >> information.
>

Wouldn't it be almost the same thing?

http://groups.google.com/group/cherokee-http

The idea is to have an unique discussion forum, independent of the specific
way you access the messages/posts (BBS-like software, mailing list, etc).
This Google groups works as a bridge between the main mailing list and its
forum-like interface.

We did try to run a forum some time ago (2 or 3 years ago) and it became a
royal pain. Each day we got more and more spam, and none of the automatic
anti-spam mechanisms worked well enough.

I'd be glad if we had a web forum, although IMO, we should check first how
to deal with spam, and if possible, how to keep it in sync with this mailing
list.

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Sep 29, 2009, 1:22 AM

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Re: Improving the Cherokee-Project website [In reply to]

+1 BBS + mailing list + simplistic website

On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 14:12 +0700, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM, pub crawler
> <pubcrawler.com [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> +1 for forums also :)
>
>
> On 9/23/09, Tom Peach <mail [at] tompeach> wrote:
> > +1, a forum is the best place for support and structured
> discussion.
> >
> > Tom Peach
> >
> > On 23 Sep 2009, at 08:32, David Becerril <email [at] davebv>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I think one of the most important thing is to have a forum.
> The
> >> mailing list is ok, but in the forum is easier to find the
> >> information.
>
>
> Wouldn't it be almost the same thing?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/cherokee-http
>
>
> The idea is to have an unique discussion forum, independent of the
> specific way you access the messages/posts (BBS-like software, mailing
> list, etc). This Google groups works as a bridge between the main
> mailing list and its forum-like interface.
>
> We did try to run a forum some time ago (2 or 3 years ago) and it
> became a royal pain. Each day we got more and more spam, and none of
> the automatic anti-spam mechanisms worked well enough.
>
> I'd be glad if we had a web forum, although IMO, we should check first
> how to deal with spam, and if possible, how to keep it in sync with
> this mailing list.
>
> --
> Greetings, alo
> http://www.alobbs.com/
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