raychorn at hotmail
Aug 31, 2009, 2:21 PM
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FW: Cannot start Cherokee 0.99.23
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WARNING: You might want to block my email address from posting to this list - I have run into an issue you cannot resolve and therefore you should block my ability to speak about it lest others also realize Cherokee is not a serious effort.
BTW - I am really good at finding bugs in the software I use... I do this for a living.
Ray C. Horn
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From: raychorn [at] hotmail
To: abarrera [at] neurosecurity
Subject: RE: [Cherokee] Cannot start Cherokee 0.99.23
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:19:47 -0700
What do you mean, "update from unstable" ?
Do you people deploy your code to an unstable update system and then wait for unsuspecting people to use that code rather than the stable stuff ?
I used the following commands:
"apt-get update"
"apt-get upgrade -V"
Which command requires the option to upgrade from known good and stable ?
Also I built Cherokee from what I suppose is a stable release and it still fails to work.
You can ignore me all you want. You can refuse to make Cherokee functional for my use all you want.
You cannot get me to say I use Cherokee unless it works.
You cannot get me to write about the joy of using Cherokee unless it works.
I guess I have learned the extent of the usefulness of Cherokee as a Production server.
Perhaps Cherokee is not the web server I thought it should be.
Perhaps I should be telling people to use Apache when I have been telling people to use Cherokee.
I feel as though I jumped on the Cherokee band-wagon way too early ! You people are just not ready for anything that even remotely resembles Prime-Time but this is why so many people want to use Apache - Apache is more stable and better supported. In all the time I have used Apache I have never run into this sort of issue after an upgrade where Apache refuses to function.
"Cherokee is an interesting toy and an interesting experiment but DO NOT use it for Production servers." <-- Is this what you want me to tell people ?!? If so, consider it done...
Ray C. Horn
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> From: abarrera [at] neurosecurity
> To: raychorn [at] hotmail
> Subject: Re: [Cherokee] Cannot start Cherokee 0.99.23
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:02:43 +0200
> CC: cherokee [at] lists; pablosaro [at] gmail
>
> On Monday 31 August 2009 22:37:57 ray horn wrote:
> > This exactly why some people will not use Open Source - because there is no
> > end-user support. Shall I abandon Cherokee in favor of Apache just so I can
>
> Excuse me?? Oh, so you think that end-user support should be free isn't it
> that?
>
> > avoid being in this situation ? Shall I code my own web server so I avoid
> > being in this situation ? Which alternative works for the rest of you ?!?
>
> Be my guest. Most people collaborating with Cherokee have full-time jobs. Non
> of them get payed to code for Cherokee. If you want to change web servers, be
> my guest. Keep your Apache... oh and please, do install it from trunk and then
> request free end-user support.
>
> > I mean, it was a nice run with Cherokee while it lasted... until I upgraded
> > to the latest version and then "poof", up in smoke.
>
> That's what happens when you update from unstable. If you can't learn the
> difference, then open source isn't for you. Please, go and download IIS and
> wait for the next SP.
>
> > Why is this problem so
> > darned difficult for you guys ?!? Just write some Python code and get the
> > problem solved ! This is what I would do were I trying to make people
> > believe my software was worth using... that or allow some to feel my work
> > is useless by the masses.
>
> It's not difficult to understand. The one that doesn't gets it is you. Cherokee
> isn't fucking Windows. It's never been and most probably it will never be.
> Cherokee is a high performance web server. That means that it's user base is,
> by definition, highly technical and skilled. It will always be part of a very
> reduced group of people.
>
> Even though the Cherokee guys do everything in their hand to make it easy to
> use and install, it's, to some extend an experimental piece of software with
> very short development cycles... that has nothing to do with Apache nor
> Windows nor regular commercial applications.
>
> Your statement clearly indicates you have no clue about open source projects.
> It's easy to say: "Just write some Python code and get the problem solved !"
> but what you don't get is that here no one gets payed for it, priorities are
> full-time jobs, not fixing a marginal error, you should thank developers, not
> piss them off...
>
> You basically want to sit down and wait until this gets fixed without even
> attempting to aid developers into what might be the issue with your
> installation, that sir, is selfish. And get this, there isn't a fucking PREMIUM
> GOLD support team for Cherokee. Got it? So you either help the people that are
> trying to help you or you go and grab the next shinny open source project.
>
> > You all have done some wonderful work - you sold
> > me on Cherokee - now you are being asked to make your software usable and
> > doing so is too extreme for you ?!?
>
> Extreme? Yeah, it's extreme when you don't even attempt to help fixing the
> problem on an UNSTABLE piece of code... so again, not only you don't get open
> source, not only you're a lazy bastard, but you go on and piss everyone that's
> trying to help you...
>
> Good luck man.
>
> And after this rant, I'm pretty sure you won't be using Cherokee any more.
> kthxs.
>
> --
> http://www.neurosecurity.com
>
> "We must be the change we wish to see in the world"
> Mahatma Gandhi
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