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Jun 30, 2009, 1:55 PM

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question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts

Hi,

How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
the other ip address b ?

And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)

Kind regards,

Michiel
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stefan at konink

Jun 30, 2009, 4:35 PM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
> the other ip address b ?

It is as simple as configuring your BIND and configuring your bind ;)

Aka, configure your DNS that it has two A records for the SSL site.


> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)

...and go in the admin to: General -> Ports to listen and specify the
Bind to. Technically it will bind to all anyway :) so you don't even
have to worry.

Now you can create a new virtual server, enable https only if you are
paraniod, and if you really don't like your clients do something nice
with incomming port or the http hearder.


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Jun 30, 2009, 5:03 PM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
>> the other ip address b ?
>
> It is as simple as configuring your BIND and configuring your bind ;)
>
> Aka, configure your DNS that it has two A records for the SSL site.
I have 2 websites with both use SSL..why should I make a round robin dns
rule per SSL website?

>
>
>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>
> ...and go in the admin to: General -> Ports to listen and specify the
> Bind to. Technically it will bind to all anyway :) so you don't even
> have to worry.
>
> Now you can create a new virtual server, enable https only if you are
> paraniod, and if you really don't like your clients do something nice
> with incomming port or the http hearder.

How can I tell which virtual host should use ip adress A and the other
ip adress B ?

For example:

website a - 1.2.3.4:443
website b - 1.2.3.5:443

>
>
> Stefan
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Jul 1, 2009, 5:08 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

Sorry for bothering but I am trying to set up multiple SSL virtual hosts.
How does Cherokee know which https request goes to which virtual server?
(if it does not allow binding virtual hosts to diffirent ip adresses)

Kind regards,

Michiel

>
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
>>> the other ip address b ?
>> It is as simple as configuring your BIND and configuring your bind ;)
>>
>> Aka, configure your DNS that it has two A records for the SSL site.
> I have 2 websites with both use SSL..why should I make a round robin dns
> rule per SSL website?
>
>>
>>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>> ...and go in the admin to: General -> Ports to listen and specify the
>> Bind to. Technically it will bind to all anyway :) so you don't even
>> have to worry.
>>
>> Now you can create a new virtual server, enable https only if you are
>> paraniod, and if you really don't like your clients do something nice
>> with incomming port or the http hearder.
>
> How can I tell which virtual host should use ip adress A and the other
> ip adress B ?
>
> For example:
>
> website a - 1.2.3.4:443
> website b - 1.2.3.5:443
>
>>
>> Stefan
> Michiel
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arcepi at arcepi

Jul 1, 2009, 5:15 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

Cherokee supports TLS Server Name Indication[1], which is similar to the
Host: field in HTTP, but for HTTPS.

Armando.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication

Michiel van Es wrote:
> Sorry for bothering but I am trying to set up multiple SSL virtual hosts.
> How does Cherokee know which https request goes to which virtual server?
> (if it does not allow binding virtual hosts to diffirent ip adresses)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Michiel
>
>
>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>
>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>>>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
>>>> the other ip address b ?
>>>>
>>> It is as simple as configuring your BIND and configuring your bind ;)
>>>
>>> Aka, configure your DNS that it has two A records for the SSL site.
>>>
>> I have 2 websites with both use SSL..why should I make a round robin dns
>> rule per SSL website?
>>
>>
>>>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>>>>
>>> ...and go in the admin to: General -> Ports to listen and specify the
>>> Bind to. Technically it will bind to all anyway :) so you don't even
>>> have to worry.
>>>
>>> Now you can create a new virtual server, enable https only if you are
>>> paraniod, and if you really don't like your clients do something nice
>>> with incomming port or the http hearder.
>>>
>> How can I tell which virtual host should use ip adress A and the other
>> ip adress B ?
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> website a - 1.2.3.4:443
>> website b - 1.2.3.5:443
>>
>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>> Michiel
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stefan at konink

Jul 1, 2009, 5:16 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:

> Sorry for bothering but I am trying to set up multiple SSL virtual hosts.
> How does Cherokee know which https request goes to which virtual server?
> (if it does not allow binding virtual hosts to diffirent ip adresses)

Obvious question, did you already try to set it up?


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Jul 1, 2009, 5:32 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

Hi Armando,

Thanks for the documentation.
But how do I set this up in Cherokee?

I have:
www.pcintelligence.nl => 80.79.194.24
webmail.pcintelligence.nl => 80.79.194.25

Make certs for every virtual host, add them to the virtual hosts.

And on the general tab I add
80.79.194.24 and 80.79.194.25 with TLS ?

That is it?

Where can I find this documentation on the cherokee wiki?

Kind regards,

Michiel


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Armando Camarero <arcepi[at]arcepi.net>
To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
Date: 07/01/2009 02:15 PM

> Cherokee supports TLS Server Name Indication[1], which is similar to the
> Host: field in HTTP, but for HTTPS.
>
> Armando.
>
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
>
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Sorry for bothering but I am trying to set up multiple SSL virtual hosts.
>> How does Cherokee know which https request goes to which virtual server?
>> (if it does not allow binding virtual hosts to diffirent ip adresses)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Michiel
>>
>>
>>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>>>>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a
>>>>> and the other ip address b ?
>>>>>
>>>> It is as simple as configuring your BIND and configuring your bind ;)
>>>>
>>>> Aka, configure your DNS that it has two A records for the SSL site.
>>>>
>>> I have 2 websites with both use SSL..why should I make a round robin dns
>>> rule per SSL website?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>>>>>
>>>> ...and go in the admin to: General -> Ports to listen and specify the
>>>> Bind to. Technically it will bind to all anyway :) so you don't even
>>>> have to worry.
>>>>
>>>> Now you can create a new virtual server, enable https only if you are
>>>> paraniod, and if you really don't like your clients do something nice
>>>> with incomming port or the http hearder.
>>>>
>>> How can I tell which virtual host should use ip adress A and the other
>>> ip adress B ?
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> website a - 1.2.3.4:443
>>> website b - 1.2.3.5:443
>>>
>>>
>>>> Stefan
>>>>
>>> Michiel
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Cherokee[at]lists.octality.com
>>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee
>>>
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stefan at konink

Jul 1, 2009, 5:36 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:

> That is it?

*try it*

It even works without your extra IP. But since that will not work in
ancient versions of IE, people still waste v4 space.


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Jul 1, 2009, 5:40 AM

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Stefan de Konink <stefan[at]konink.de>
To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
Date: 07/01/2009 02:36 PM

> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:
>
>> That is it?
>
> *try it*

*I did it but it does not work*
That is why I am asking if I am doing something wrong with this config?

>
> It even works without your extra IP. But since that will not work in
> ancient versions of IE, people still waste v4 space.

Ie 6 and up and Firefox 3 and up.

>
>
> Stefan

Michiel
>
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stefan at konink

Jul 1, 2009, 5:48 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:

> > On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:
> >
> >> That is it?
> >
> > *try it*
>
> *I did it but it does not work*
> That is why I am asking if I am doing something wrong with this config?

Now the leading proud user list is running on a single ip on multiple
sites and that is an out of the box configuration. And since you had https
working before, I wonder what you broke or better what you are trying to
prevent. If cherokee binds to all the IPs you want, it should work right?

Ofcourse you can run two different servers, that maybe a bit overkill.

> > It even works without your extra IP. But since that will not work in
> > ancient versions of IE, people still waste v4 space.
>
> Ie 6 and up and Firefox 3 and up.

Get the facts microsoft campaign:

Browsers with support for TLS server name indication:[5]

* Mozilla Firefox 2.0 or later
* Opera 8.0 or later (the TLS 1.1 protocol must be enabled)
* Internet Explorer 7 (Vista, not XP) or later
* Google Chrome (Vista, not XP)
* Safari 3.2.1 Mac OS X 10.5.6


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Jul 1, 2009, 5:56 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Stefan de Konink <stefan[at]konink.de>
To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
Date: 07/01/2009 02:48 PM

> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:
>
>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is it?
>>> *try it*
>> *I did it but it does not work*
>> That is why I am asking if I am doing something wrong with this config?
>
> Now the leading proud user list is running on a single ip on multiple
> sites and that is an out of the box configuration. And since you had https
> working before, I wonder what you broke or better what you are trying to
> prevent. If cherokee binds to all the IPs you want, it should work right?

I broke it by running websites with SSL with diffirent ip's.
You want me to fix the DNS..that is not always possible in large
corporations..
I am coming from a apache 2 websites, 2 SSL certs and 2 diffirent
ip-adresses environment.
You are saying to me: ah we run it with 1 ip, so you could/should do it
also. (forcing me to change my dns - with al the TTL cache hassle).
That is not what I want..

>
> Ofcourse you can run two different servers, that maybe a bit overkill.

1 webserver can host multiple ip-adresses with diffirent SSL certs right?

>
>>> It even works without your extra IP. But since that will not work in
>>> ancient versions of IE, people still waste v4 space.
>> Ie 6 and up and Firefox 3 and up.
>
> Get the facts microsoft campaign:
>
> Browsers with support for TLS server name indication:[5]
>
> * Mozilla Firefox 2.0 or later
> * Opera 8.0 or later (the TLS 1.1 protocol must be enabled)
> * Internet Explorer 7 (Vista, not XP) or later
> * Google Chrome (Vista, not XP)
> * Safari 3.2.1 Mac OS X 10.5.6

Too bad , that IS 6 is is the third most used browser..what will I tell
my visitors?
Go upgrade your browser?! (Please try to tell large banks to upgrade all
their OS-es and browsers and see how many years it will take) Why do you
think IE 6 is still one market leading browser and STILL websites are
being developed for IE 6?

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Offcourse it is unsecure and ancient..but I have to take care of my
customers will and needs not my own...

>
>
> Stefan
>
>

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stefan at konink

Jul 1, 2009, 6:13 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:

> > Now the leading proud user list is running on a single ip on multiple
> > sites and that is an out of the box configuration. And since you had https
> > working before, I wonder what you broke or better what you are trying to
> > prevent. If cherokee binds to all the IPs you want, it should work right?
>
> I broke it by running websites with SSL with diffirent ip's.
> You want me to fix the DNS..that is not always possible in large
> corporations..

How on earth are you going *NOT* going to redirect your SSL site and your
normal sites if they have a different IP?

> You are saying to me: ah we run it with 1 ip, so you could/should do it
> also. (forcing me to change my dns - with al the TTL cache hassle).
> That is not what I want..

I'm not saying that at all, I say that you should bind cherokee to all
IPs, and that will solve your problem anyway, because it is the default
situation.

> > Ofcourse you can run two different servers, that maybe a bit overkill.
>
> 1 webserver can host multiple ip-adresses with diffirent SSL certs right?

Yes.

> >>> It even works without your extra IP. But since that will not work in
> >>> ancient versions of IE, people still waste v4 space.
> >> Ie 6 and up and Firefox 3 and up.
> >
> > Get the facts microsoft campaign:
> >
> > Browsers with support for TLS server name indication:[5]
> >
> > * Mozilla Firefox 2.0 or later
> > * Opera 8.0 or later (the TLS 1.1 protocol must be enabled)
> > * Internet Explorer 7 (Vista, not XP) or later
> > * Google Chrome (Vista, not XP)
> > * Safari 3.2.1 Mac OS X 10.5.6
>
> Too bad , that IS 6 is is the third most used browser..what will I tell
> my visitors?

Like Microsoft, Tweakers.net, etc.: go upgrade.

> Offcourse it is unsecure and ancient..but I have to take care of my
> customers will and needs not my own...

You were not a company yet :)


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alvaro at alobbs

Jul 1, 2009, 6:21 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

Hello Michiel,

On 30-jun-09, at 22:55, Michiel van Es wrote:

> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a
> and
> the other ip address b ?
>
> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)


As it's been already discussed in this thread, there is no way to
support this sort of set up with Cherokee 0.99.19 if you really need
to support old IE versions.

However, while I was reading the discussion I realized that there is
way in which we could actually add support for IP-based scenarios with
a clean and elegant new plug-in.

Most likely, I'll release Cherokee 0.99.20 within the day; so we could
add this potential new module to Cherokee 0.99.21.

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Jul 1, 2009, 6:25 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Stefan de Konink <stefan[at]konink.de>
To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
Date: 07/01/2009 03:13 PM

> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:
>
>>> Now the leading proud user list is running on a single ip on multiple
>>> sites and that is an out of the box configuration. And since you had https
>>> working before, I wonder what you broke or better what you are trying to
>>> prevent. If cherokee binds to all the IPs you want, it should work right?
>> I broke it by running websites with SSL with diffirent ip's.
>> You want me to fix the DNS..that is not always possible in large
>> corporations..
>
> How on earth are you going *NOT* going to redirect your SSL site and your
> normal sites if they have a different IP?

I don't understand that sentence..
How can I bind a virtual host to an ip or tell me what I am doing wrong
with my setup please.
As I said before: I already have configured the 80.79.194.24 and
80.79.194.25 with pot 80 and port 443 (with the TLS checked).

Every virtual host has their own certificate and own wildcard hostname:
www.pcintelligence.nl
webmail.pcintelligence.nl

>
>> You are saying to me: ah we run it with 1 ip, so you could/should do it
>> also. (forcing me to change my dns - with al the TTL cache hassle).
>> That is not what I want..
>
> I'm not saying that at all, I say that you should bind cherokee to all
> IPs, and that will solve your problem anyway, because it is the default
> situation.

Not applying my used ip-adresses (80.79.194.24 and 80.79.194.25 but *
for 80 and 443 with tls?)

>
>>> Ofcourse you can run two different servers, that maybe a bit overkill.
>> 1 webserver can host multiple ip-adresses with diffirent SSL certs right?
>
> Yes.
>
>>>>> It even works without your extra IP. But since that will not work in
>>>>> ancient versions of IE, people still waste v4 space.
>>>> Ie 6 and up and Firefox 3 and up.
>>> Get the facts microsoft campaign:
>>>
>>> Browsers with support for TLS server name indication:[5]
>>>
>>> * Mozilla Firefox 2.0 or later
>>> * Opera 8.0 or later (the TLS 1.1 protocol must be enabled)
>>> * Internet Explorer 7 (Vista, not XP) or later
>>> * Google Chrome (Vista, not XP)
>>> * Safari 3.2.1 Mac OS X 10.5.6
>> Too bad , that IS 6 is is the third most used browser..what will I tell
>> my visitors?
>
> Like Microsoft, Tweakers.net, etc.: go upgrade.

Microsoft is not a good example..they MAKE people use their latest
browser, .NET etc...that is not always a good think,
I am talking about banks and financial corporations..they are in a way
other leahue then tweakers for example..

>
>> Offcourse it is unsecure and ancient..but I have to take care of my
>> customers will and needs not my own...
>
> You were not a company yet :)

I am reviewing Cherokee and Nginx for the company I am working for
(which has a lot of banks and financial companies who can NOT use IE 7
or IE 8 for the coming 2 years - such corporations upgrade once per 10
years or such..it is not my procedure but the one from the big banks etc..)

And yes I am reviewing it on my own personal project webserver..I want
to know what I should advise my customers to protect them against the
slowloris DoS..
>
>
> Stefan
>
Michiel
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stefan at konink

Jul 1, 2009, 6:30 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:

> As it's been already discussed in this thread, there is no way to
> support this sort of set up with Cherokee 0.99.19 if you really need
> to support old IE versions.

The easiest fix is just two instances; all problems solved. And if you are
a biggy corp you are not running your webserver and ssl stuff on one
single machine anyway ;)


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info at pcintelligence

Jul 1, 2009, 6:39 AM

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Stefan de Konink <stefan[at]konink.de>
To: Alvaro Lopez Ortega <alvaro[at]alobbs.com>
Date: 07/01/2009 03:30 PM

> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
>
>> As it's been already discussed in this thread, there is no way to
>> support this sort of set up with Cherokee 0.99.19 if you really need
>> to support old IE versions.
>
> The easiest fix is just two instances; all problems solved. And if you are
> a biggy corp you are not running your webserver and ssl stuff on one
> single machine anyway ;)

Again also the old browser and multiple ssl websites on 1 server: this
is what companies want and expect if they are coming from an Apache
webserver.

If your solution is: buy another webserver or upgrade all your browsers
and that from your clients to IE 7 + then you don't have a really clear
perceptiveness of what large companies want.

I am just saying what a lot of our customers want..and I am looking for
a simple an cheap solution to upgrade them from Apache to an alternative
secure slowloris webserver..

I am happily awaiting the new release! :)
>
>
> Stefan
>
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Jul 1, 2009, 6:41 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Alvaro Lopez Ortega <alvaro[at]alobbs.com>
To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
Date: 07/01/2009 03:21 PM

> Hello Michiel,
>
> On 30-jun-09, at 22:55, Michiel van Es wrote:
>
>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
>> the other ip address b ?
>>
>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>
>
> As it's been already discussed in this thread, there is no way to
> support this sort of set up with Cherokee 0.99.19 if you really need to
> support old IE versions.
>
> However, while I was reading the discussion I realized that there is way
> in which we could actually add support for IP-based scenarios with a
> clean and elegant new plug-in.
>
> Most likely, I'll release Cherokee 0.99.20 within the day; so we could
> add this potential new module to Cherokee 0.99.21.

Thank you for your quick answer!
I am happily awaiting the new release! :)

Michiel
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stefan at konink

Jul 1, 2009, 6:44 AM

Post #18 of 31 (339 views)
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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:

> > The easiest fix is just two instances; all problems solved. And if you are
> > a biggy corp you are not running your webserver and ssl stuff on one
> > single machine anyway ;)
>
> Again also the old browser and multiple ssl websites on 1 server: this
> is what companies want and expect if they are coming from an Apache
> webserver.
>
> If your solution is: buy another webserver or upgrade all your browsers
> and that from your clients to IE 7 + then you don't have a really clear
> perceptiveness of what large companies want.

Who prevents you to run to Cherokee instances on the same server?
Basically you think a little bit too small, you put on constraints that
are not there.


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Jul 1, 2009, 6:50 AM

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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Stefan de Konink <stefan[at]konink.de>
To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
Date: 07/01/2009 03:44 PM

> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:
>
>>> The easiest fix is just two instances; all problems solved. And if you are
>>> a biggy corp you are not running your webserver and ssl stuff on one
>>> single machine anyway ;)
>> Again also the old browser and multiple ssl websites on 1 server: this
>> is what companies want and expect if they are coming from an Apache
>> webserver.
>>
>> If your solution is: buy another webserver or upgrade all your browsers
>> and that from your clients to IE 7 + then you don't have a really clear
>> perceptiveness of what large companies want.
>
> Who prevents you to run to Cherokee instances on the same server?
> Basically you think a little bit too small, you put on constraints that
> are not there.

Why should I run 2 server instances if all other webservers can do it
with one instance?
Are you running your tomcat applications on several tomcat application
servers just for fun?
Is it resource friendly?

What about changing the init scripts, upgrade scripts etc.

I am looking for 1 to 1 replacement for my current Apache setup and
don't like the idea of running 2 or more instances for every SSL website
or tell my customers and it's customers to upgrade their IE 6...

But there is a new version coming which fix this issue/feature for me so
why still discuss it?

>
>
> Stefan
>
>
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santagada at gmail

Jul 1, 2009, 10:17 AM

Post #20 of 31 (339 views)
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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Michiel van Es wrote:

>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual
> hosts
> From: Stefan de Konink <stefan[at]konink.de>
> To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
> Date: 07/01/2009 03:44 PM
>
>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Michiel van Es wrote:
>>
>>>> The easiest fix is just two instances; all problems solved. And
>>>> if you are
>>>> a biggy corp you are not running your webserver and ssl stuff on
>>>> one
>>>> single machine anyway ;)
>>> Again also the old browser and multiple ssl websites on 1 server:
>>> this
>>> is what companies want and expect if they are coming from an Apache
>>> webserver.
>>>
>>> If your solution is: buy another webserver or upgrade all your
>>> browsers
>>> and that from your clients to IE 7 + then you don't have a really
>>> clear
>>> perceptiveness of what large companies want.
>>
>> Who prevents you to run to Cherokee instances on the same server?
>> Basically you think a little bit too small, you put on constraints
>> that
>> are not there.
>
> Why should I run 2 server instances if all other webservers can do it
> with one instance?
> Are you running your tomcat applications on several tomcat application
> servers just for fun?
> Is it resource friendly?

Yes. If you do have n processors/cores it would not make much
difference in resource serving n different websites with different
webserver processes. Or is there a problem?

> What about changing the init scripts, upgrade scripts etc.
>
> I am looking for 1 to 1 replacement for my current Apache setup and
> don't like the idea of running 2 or more instances for every SSL
> website
> or tell my customers and it's customers to upgrade their IE 6...
>
> But there is a new version coming which fix this issue/feature for
> me so
> why still discuss it?

The fix is elegant and will be on one plugin so everything is okay.
But it is an interesting question, isn't it better to have several
webserver processes? If another attack like slowloris came out
wouldn't it be even safer? I guess that maybe you even want to use
different vm's for each website to guarantee security (I think it is
the case in banks right?).

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alvaro at alobbs

Jul 2, 2009, 1:22 AM

Post #21 of 31 (338 views)
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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

On 01-jul-09, at 15:41, Michiel van Es wrote:
>> On 30-jun-09, at 22:55, Michiel van Es wrote:
>>
>>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress
>>> a and
>>> the other ip address b ?
>>>
>>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>>
>> As it's been already discussed in this thread, there is no way to
>> support this sort of set up with Cherokee 0.99.19 if you really
>> need to
>> support old IE versions.
>>
>> However, while I was reading the discussion I realized that there
>> is way
>> in which we could actually add support for IP-based scenarios with a
>> clean and elegant new plug-in.
>>
>> Most likely, I'll release Cherokee 0.99.20 within the day; so we
>> could
>> add this potential new module to Cherokee 0.99.21.
>
> Thank you for your quick answer!
> I am happily awaiting the new release! :)


I have just added the new virtual server matching plug-in to the
repository (r3414):

http://svn.cherokee-project.com/changeset/3414

It's scheduled to be shipped with Cherokee 0.99.21 within the next few
days. It'd be good if you guys could give it a try and report any
issue you may find. Pre-release tarballs are available as usual:

http://www.cherokee-project.com/download/trunk/

Cheers!

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aperez at skarcha

Jul 2, 2009, 1:29 AM

Post #22 of 31 (338 views)
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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

Hi!

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Alvaro Lopez Ortega<alvaro[at]alobbs.com> wrote:

> I have just added the new virtual server matching plug-in to the
> repository (r3414):
>
>   http://svn.cherokee-project.com/changeset/3414
>
> It's scheduled to be shipped with Cherokee 0.99.21 within the next few
> days. It'd be good if you guys could give it a try and report any
> issue you may find. Pre-release tarballs are available as usual:
>
>   http://www.cherokee-project.com/download/trunk/

Really good stuff! Thanks Álvaro! ;-)

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info at pcintelligence

Jul 2, 2009, 1:58 AM

Post #23 of 31 (338 views)
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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
From: Alvaro Lopez Ortega <alvaro[at]alobbs.com>
To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
Date: 07/02/2009 10:22 AM

> On 01-jul-09, at 15:41, Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> On 30-jun-09, at 22:55, Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>>>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
>>>> the other ip address b ?
>>>>
>>>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>>>
>>> As it's been already discussed in this thread, there is no way to
>>> support this sort of set up with Cherokee 0.99.19 if you really need to
>>> support old IE versions.
>>>
>>> However, while I was reading the discussion I realized that there is way
>>> in which we could actually add support for IP-based scenarios with a
>>> clean and elegant new plug-in.
>>>
>>> Most likely, I'll release Cherokee 0.99.20 within the day; so we could
>>> add this potential new module to Cherokee 0.99.21.
>>
>> Thank you for your quick answer!
>> I am happily awaiting the new release! :)
>
>
> I have just added the new virtual server matching plug-in to the
> repository (r3414):
>
> http://svn.cherokee-project.com/changeset/3414
>
> It's scheduled to be shipped with Cherokee 0.99.21 within the next few
> days. It'd be good if you guys could give it a try and report any issue
> you may find. Pre-release tarballs are available as usual:
>
> http://www.cherokee-project.com/download/trunk/
>
> Cheers!

Hi Alvaro,

Thanks for the update!
Do I have something special to let the virtual hosts bind to their
ip-adresses or let it work that if I go to
https://webmail.pcintelligence.nl I got the webmail.pcintelligence.nl cert
https://www.pcintelligence.nl I get the www.pcintelligence.nl cert ?

I still get the default cert.

Kind regards,

Michiel


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jorge.sarmiento at gmail

Jul 2, 2009, 2:16 AM

Post #24 of 31 (338 views)
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Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

> I have just added the new virtual server matching plug-in to the
> repository (r3414):
>

I just compiled r3414 with "-03 -march=nocona" on a CentOS 5.3 x64 and
everything seems fine. Nice job with the new plugin.

question: is there any way to use two methods at the same? so it not only
has to match the interface but a domain name as well?

thanks !

Jorge S.


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Jul 3, 2009, 1:15 AM

Post #25 of 31 (336 views)
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Re: [SPAM] Re: question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts [In reply to]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled
virtual hosts
From: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
To: Alvaro Lopez Ortega <alvaro[at]alobbs.com>
Date: 07/02/2009 10:58 AM

>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Cherokee] question about several ssl enabled virtual hosts
> From: Alvaro Lopez Ortega <alvaro[at]alobbs.com>
> To: Michiel van Es <info[at]pcintelligence.nl>
> Date: 07/02/2009 10:22 AM
>
>> On 01-jul-09, at 15:41, Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>> On 30-jun-09, at 22:55, Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How can I use diffirent ip adresses for my virtual hosts?
>>>>> I got 2 SSL virtual websites, how do I tell them to use ip adress a and
>>>>> the other ip address b ?
>>>>>
>>>>> And off course if possible through the cherokee-admin interface ;)
>>>> As it's been already discussed in this thread, there is no way to
>>>> support this sort of set up with Cherokee 0.99.19 if you really need to
>>>> support old IE versions.
>>>>
>>>> However, while I was reading the discussion I realized that there is way
>>>> in which we could actually add support for IP-based scenarios with a
>>>> clean and elegant new plug-in.
>>>>
>>>> Most likely, I'll release Cherokee 0.99.20 within the day; so we could
>>>> add this potential new module to Cherokee 0.99.21.
>>> Thank you for your quick answer!
>>> I am happily awaiting the new release! :)
>>
>> I have just added the new virtual server matching plug-in to the
>> repository (r3414):
>>
>> http://svn.cherokee-project.com/changeset/3414
>>
>> It's scheduled to be shipped with Cherokee 0.99.21 within the next few
>> days. It'd be good if you guys could give it a try and report any issue
>> you may find. Pre-release tarballs are available as usual:
>>
>> http://www.cherokee-project.com/download/trunk/
>>
>> Cheers!
>
> Hi Alvaro,
>
> Thanks for the update!
> Do I have something special to let the virtual hosts bind to their
> ip-adresses or let it work that if I go to
> https://webmail.pcintelligence.nl I got the webmail.pcintelligence.nl cert
> https://www.pcintelligence.nl I get the www.pcintelligence.nl cert ?
>
> I still get the default cert.

Do I have to enable something when I use ./configure or do I have to
change something in the cherokee-admin menu?
Or am I doing something wrong by running 2 SSL virtual hosts within 1
cherokee webserver running with 2 ip-adresses?

>
Kind regards,
>
Michiel
>
>
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