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Jun 28, 2009, 5:39 AM

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cherokee and slowloris

Hi,

I have read that Cherokee isn't vulnerable for slowloris.
I checked it with the perl slowloris script but my cherokee is too busy
answering on all requests?
I am using the CentOS Epel 5 repository version 0.99.11 ..is this
version vulerable to slowloris?
Or should I've been configuring some anti DoS rules in cherokee that I
forgot? :)

Kind regards,

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:07 AM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> I am using the CentOS Epel 5 repository version 0.99.11 ..is this
> version vulerable to slowloris?

We are at 0.99.19 and since a lot of interesting things happen in each
version I suggest to update and re-run the test.

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:10 AM

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> I am using the CentOS Epel 5 repository version 0.99.11 ..is this
>> version vulerable to slowloris?
>
> We are at 0.99.19 and since a lot of interesting things happen in each
> version I suggest to update and re-run the test.

Hmm..I am not a big fan of compiling from source..that is why I like the
yum repo's.
Will ask the Fedora people if it is possible, I also read that the new
release will perhaps have a CentOS binary?

>
>
> Stefan

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:16 AM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> I am using the CentOS Epel 5 repository version 0.99.11 ..is this
>>> version vulerable to slowloris?
>> We are at 0.99.19 and since a lot of interesting things happen in each
>> version I suggest to update and re-run the test.
>
> Hmm..I am not a big fan of compiling from source..that is why I like the
> yum repo's.

Strange a website can totally change over night ;) But If you really
want to get into security, you might want to start to become a fan of
'the source'.

Since cherokee is probably a very easy package to compile you can take a
shot:

./configure --prefix=/opt/cherokee && make && make install

> Will ask the Fedora people if it is possible, I also read that the new
> release will perhaps have a CentOS binary?

I don't know who is the Fedora maintainer, but binaries are always too
late ;)

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:27 AM

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>> I am using the CentOS Epel 5 repository version 0.99.11 ..is this
>>>> version vulerable to slowloris?
>>> We are at 0.99.19 and since a lot of interesting things happen in each
>>> version I suggest to update and re-run the test.
>> Hmm..I am not a big fan of compiling from source..that is why I like the
>> yum repo's.
>
>
> Strange a website can totally change over night ;) But If you really
> want to get into security, you might want to start to become a fan of
> 'the source'.
>
> Since cherokee is probably a very easy package to compile you can take a
> shot:
>
> ./configure --prefix=/opt/cherokee && make && make install

and I see they have a latest-tarball link so I can script ugrades , nice :)

Perhaps a stupid question but when I upgrade my binary installed
cherokee will I still have the ssl, php support etc?
And I am having trouble what my prefix is (since it is installed from
yum/rpm) , is it one of those?

/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_server_info.so
/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_ssi.so
/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_streaming.so
/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_w3c.so
/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_wildcard.so
/usr/sbin/cherokee
/usr/sbin/cherokee-admin
/usr/sbin/cherokee-worker
/usr/share/cherokee
/usr/share/cherokee/admin
/usr/share/cherokee/deps
/usr/share/cherokee/icons
/usr/share/cherokee/themes
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/CherokeeManagement.py
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/CherokeeManagement.pyc
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/CherokeeManagement.pyo
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Entry.py
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Entry.pyc
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Entry.pyo
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Form.py
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Form.pyc
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Form.pyo
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Module.py
/usr/share/cherokee/admin/Module.pyc

I think /usr/share/cherokee ?

>
>
>> Will ask the Fedora people if it is possible, I also read that the new
>> release will perhaps have a CentOS binary?
>
> I don't know who is the Fedora maintainer, but binaries are always too
> late ;)
>
>
> Stefan

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:31 AM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> and I see they have a latest-tarball link so I can script ugrades , nice :)

svn is nice too, --enable-maintainer-mode would be a nice flag too then.

> Perhaps a stupid question but when I upgrade my binary installed
> cherokee will I still have the ssl, php support etc?

If your base system has the development libraries / headers of ssl, yes.
PHP is a different thing because cherokee using php-cgi, so it will be
always available.

> And I am having trouble what my prefix is (since it is installed from
> yum/rpm) , is it one of those?

If you prefix it in /opt/cherokee then you have to start it with:

/opt/cherokee/sbin/cherokee (or -admin)

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:36 AM

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> and I see they have a latest-tarball link so I can script ugrades , nice :)
>
> svn is nice too, --enable-maintainer-mode would be a nice flag too then.

Is there a special announcement list which has less traffic then this
main cherokee list? (just for updates etc.)

>
>> Perhaps a stupid question but when I upgrade my binary installed
>> cherokee will I still have the ssl, php support etc?
>
> If your base system has the development libraries / headers of ssl, yes.
> PHP is a different thing because cherokee using php-cgi, so it will be
> always available.

Ah ok ..nice :)
A question about the php configuration:
I can choose between a local socket file or an external link to
127.0.0.1:9000.
Which one is faster? I think the network version but I can be wrong?

>
>> And I am having trouble what my prefix is (since it is installed from
>> yum/rpm) , is it one of those?
>
> If you prefix it in /opt/cherokee then you have to start it with:
>
> /opt/cherokee/sbin/cherokee (or -admin)

[root[at]pcintelw01 scripts]# which cherokee
/usr/sbin/cherokee

so mine would be /usr right? :)

>
>
>
> Stefan

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:47 AM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> Is there a special announcement list which has less traffic then this
> main cherokee list? (just for updates etc.)

Dev maybe.

> A question about the php configuration:
> I can choose between a local socket file or an external link to
> 127.0.0.1:9000.
> Which one is faster? I think the network version but I can be wrong?

Unix sockets should be faster for localhost, since there is no tcp/ip
protocol overhead.

> [root[at]pcintelw01 scripts]# which cherokee
> /usr/sbin/cherokee
>
> so mine would be /usr right? :)

But that is your yum installed one, and probably not the one you
installed using the last configure.

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:56 AM

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Is there a special announcement list which has less traffic then this
>> main cherokee list? (just for updates etc.)
>
> Dev maybe.
Ok.

>
>> A question about the php configuration:
>> I can choose between a local socket file or an external link to
>> 127.0.0.1:9000.
>> Which one is faster? I think the network version but I can be wrong?
>
> Unix sockets should be faster for localhost, since there is no tcp/ip
> protocol overhead.

Ok..so I stick to the default.
>
>> [root[at]pcintelw01 scripts]# which cherokee
>> /usr/sbin/cherokee
>
>> so mine would be /usr right? :)
>
> But that is your yum installed one, and probably not the one you
> installed using the last configure.

I installed only the yum one..I am running it now with /usr but it
doesn't seem to see my virtual hosts after the upgrade?

>
>
> Stefan
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Jun 28, 2009, 6:58 AM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> I installed only the yum one..I am running it now with /usr but it
> doesn't seem to see my virtual hosts after the upgrade?

Upgrade to what? If you indeed upgraded from .11 to .19 there might be a
configuration change you were not aware of I guess.

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Jun 28, 2009, 6:59 AM

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> I installed only the yum one..I am running it now with /usr but it
>> doesn't seem to see my virtual hosts after the upgrade?
>
> Upgrade to what? If you indeed upgraded from .11 to .19 there might be a
> configuration change you were not aware of I guess.
Yum, from .11 to .19
What can I do best? start from scratch? :(

>
>
> Stefan
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Jun 28, 2009, 7:06 AM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
>
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> I installed only the yum one..I am running it now with /usr but it
>>> doesn't seem to see my virtual hosts after the upgrade?
>> Upgrade to what? If you indeed upgraded from .11 to .19 there might be a
>> configuration change you were not aware of I guess.
> Yum, from .11 to .19
> What can I do best? start from scratch? :(

Our /source/ distribution contains an contrib directory with upgrade
scripts if a configuration change was present.

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>> I installed only the yum one..I am running it now with /usr but it
>>>> doesn't seem to see my virtual hosts after the upgrade?
>>> Upgrade to what? If you indeed upgraded from .11 to .19 there might be a
>>> configuration change you were not aware of I guess.
>> Yum, from .11 to .19
>> What can I do best? start from scratch? :(
>
> Our /source/ distribution contains an contrib directory with upgrade
> scripts if a configuration change was present.

Hmm which .py script is it?
I can not find a 0.11 to 0.19 upgrade script.

>
>
> Stefan
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Jun 28, 2009, 7:16 AM

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> Hmm which .py script is it?
> I can not find a 0.11 to 0.19 upgrade script.

Mmm.. there is none. I think your configuration was overwritten by the
/fantastic/ yum system?

If you are lucky there is still a backup in the configuration directory.

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Hmm which .py script is it?
>> I can not find a 0.11 to 0.19 upgrade script.
>
> Mmm.. there is none. I think your configuration was overwritten by the
> /fantastic/ yum system?

Huh,
I installed the yum version, and then I installed from source..and the
contrib is in the source..what has YUM to do with it?

>
> If you are lucky there is still a backup in the configuration directory.
I got my backups but don't got an upgrade script which is provided by
the source

>
>
> Stefan
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Michiel van Es wrote:
>
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> Hmm which .py script is it?
>>> I can not find a 0.11 to 0.19 upgrade script.
>> Mmm.. there is none. I think your configuration was overwritten by the
>> /fantastic/ yum system?
>
> Huh,
> I installed the yum version, and then I installed from source..and the
> contrib is in the source..what has YUM to do with it?

So did you remove the yum version before you installed it from source?

Anyway there was a reason why i suggested not to install it in the root
of your file system. Because mostlikely the configuration file is now
somewhere where it wasn't previously.

As if it was not found...

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>> Hmm which .py script is it?
>>>> I can not find a 0.11 to 0.19 upgrade script.
>>> Mmm.. there is none. I think your configuration was overwritten by the
>>> /fantastic/ yum system?
>> Huh,
>> I installed the yum version, and then I installed from source..and the
>> contrib is in the source..what has YUM to do with it?
>
> So did you remove the yum version before you installed it from source?

No but that doesn't matter..or I am doing something wrong:
I just installed over my yum version ( I know..not super) but the
contrib directory is in the source and AFTER the yum installation..it is
in /var/tmp/cherokee-0.99.19/contrib but now script from 09-10 on..

>
> Anyway there was a reason why i suggested not to install it in the root
> of your file system. Because mostlikely the configuration file is now
> somewhere where it wasn't previously.
>
> As if it was not found...
It is still in /etc/cherokee/cherokee.conf and I symlinked it to
/usr/etc/cherokee/cherokee.conf

I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
will provide me the upgrade script?

>
>
> Stefan

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Michiel van Es wrote:
> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
> will provide me the upgrade script?
There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.

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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
>> will provide me the upgrade script?
> There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.
So it could/should use my native cherokee.conf right?

>
>
> Stefan
>
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Michiel van Es wrote:
>
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
>>> will provide me the upgrade script?
>> There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.
> So it could/should use my native cherokee.conf right?

Yes.
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Michiel van Es wrote:
>
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
>>> will provide me the upgrade script?
>> There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.
> So it could/should use my native cherokee.conf right?

...but in that config are also paths... that might have to be updated.
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Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
>>>> will provide me the upgrade script?
>>> There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.
>> So it could/should use my native cherokee.conf right?
>
> ...but in that config are also paths... that might have to be updated.
ah perhaps that went wrong..I also will try the build without a prefix.
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Michiel van Es wrote:
>
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>>> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
>>>>> will provide me the upgrade script?
>>>> There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.
>>> So it could/should use my native cherokee.conf right?
>> ...but in that config are also paths... that might have to be updated.
> ah perhaps that went wrong..I also will try the build without a prefix.

Then it will end up in /usr/local...

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Jun 28, 2009, 7:37 AM

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Re: cherokee and slowloris [In reply to]

Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Michiel van Es wrote:
>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>>>> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
>>>>>> will provide me the upgrade script?
>>>>> There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.
>>>> So it could/should use my native cherokee.conf right?
>>> ...but in that config are also paths... that might have to be updated.
>> ah perhaps that went wrong..I also will try the build without a prefix.
>
> Then it will end up in /usr/local...
That is ok..I think I have to rewrite some things.
But why isn'tit reading the virtual hosts in my cherokee.conf?
hmmm strange..
>
>
> Stefan
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Jun 28, 2009, 7:44 AM

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Re: cherokee and slowloris [In reply to]

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Michiel van Es wrote:
>
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>>> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>>>>> Michiel van Es wrote:
>>>>>>> I can remove the yum version by rpm -e cherokee but I don't think it
>>>>>>> will provide me the upgrade script?
>>>>>> There is nothing to upgrade between .11 -> .19; I just checked it.
>>>>> So it could/should use my native cherokee.conf right?
>>>> ...but in that config are also paths... that might have to be updated.
>>> ah perhaps that went wrong..I also will try the build without a prefix.
>> Then it will end up in /usr/local...
> That is ok..I think I have to rewrite some things.
> But why isn'tit reading the virtual hosts in my cherokee.conf?
> hmmm strange..

Mostlikely because it uses a different configuration file then you expect.

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