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david.romano at gmail

Nov 27, 2005, 12:40 AM

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Tagline for Catalyst
Hey everyone,
I know there are some principles of Catalyst (DRY, KISS, TIMTOWTDI),
but does the Catalyst team have/want a tagline? (Does "The elegant
MVC framework" falls fill this role?) Anyway, what do y'all think of
"Catalyst: making MVC as easy as ABC" or "Catalyst: writing MVCs like
the ABCs". I just thought about 'em in the car and I sorta like them,
and just wanted to put them out there to see if anyone likes them,
hates them, or is going to ignore them. :)

David

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sri at oook

Nov 27, 2005, 3:53 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
Am 27.11.2005 um 09:40 schrieb David Romano:

> Hey everyone,
> I know there are some principles of Catalyst (DRY, KISS, TIMTOWTDI),
> but does the Catalyst team have/want a tagline? (Does "The elegant
> MVC framework" falls fill this role?) Anyway, what do y'all think of
> "Catalyst: making MVC as easy as ABC" or "Catalyst: writing MVCs like
> the ABCs". I just thought about 'em in the car and I sorta like them,
> and just wanted to put them out there to see if anyone likes them,
> hates them, or is going to ignore them. :)

Thats not really inspiring confidence. :)


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dopplecoder at gmail

Nov 27, 2005, 4:10 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On 11/27/05, Sebastian Riedel <sri [at] oook> wrote:
>
> Am 27.11.2005 um 09:40 schrieb David Romano:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> > I know there are some principles of Catalyst (DRY, KISS, TIMTOWTDI),
> > but does the Catalyst team have/want a tagline? (Does "The elegant
> > MVC framework" falls fill this role?) Anyway, what do y'all think of
> > "Catalyst: making MVC as easy as ABC" or "Catalyst: writing MVCs like
> > the ABCs". I just thought about 'em in the car and I sorta like them,
> > and just wanted to put them out there to see if anyone likes them,
> > hates them, or is going to ignore them. :)
>
> Thats not really inspiring confidence. :)

How bout "Making dromedary taxonomy as easy as building with legos" ?

Aaron

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phaylon at dunkelheit

Nov 28, 2005, 10:57 AM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
Sebastian Riedel said:
>
> Thats not really inspiring confidence. :)

Well, that tagline is a bit flat, but there'd be more space. How about
something like this:

* _Your Developers_ get a MVC framework featuring a full developing
environment including inherent Abstraction, Code Reusability, Testing,
Debugging as well as the power of a growing Community and CPAN.

* _Your Products_ will gain more Flexibility, and the power of shipped
deployment capabilities on various platforms.

* _Your Customers_ will enjoy the experiences of both, your applications
maintainance and usage.


M'kay, someone should probably translate it to proper english. Also it's
just a quick idea I had and thought I should write down.

Hope that gives some help,
phay



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dbix-class at trout

Nov 28, 2005, 12:05 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:57:18PM +0100, phaylon wrote:
> Sebastian Riedel said:
> >
> > Thats not really inspiring confidence. :)
>
> Well, that tagline is a bit flat, but there'd be more space. How about
> something like this:
>
> * _Your Developers_ get a MVC framework featuring a full developing
> environment including inherent Abstraction, Code Reusability, Testing,
> Debugging as well as the power of a growing Community and CPAN.
>
> * _Your Products_ will gain more Flexibility, and the power of shipped
> deployment capabilities on various platforms.
>
> * _Your Customers_ will enjoy the experiences of both, your applications
> maintainance and usage.

"Improving your development team's reaction time"

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Technical Director UNIX/Linux systems architecture and automation. Mail
Shadowcat Systems Ltd. mst (at) shadowcatsystems.co.uk for more information

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robin.berjon at expway

Nov 29, 2005, 9:20 AM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On Nov 27, 2005, at 03:40, David Romano wrote:
> I know there are some principles of Catalyst (DRY, KISS, TIMTOWTDI),

"Catalyst - the elegant dry kiss"

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johanl at DarSerMan

Nov 29, 2005, 12:06 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
At 18:20 2005-11-29, Robin Berjon wrote:
>On Nov 27, 2005, at 03:40, David Romano wrote:
>> I know there are some principles of Catalyst (DRY, KISS, TIMTOWTDI),
>
> "Catalyst - the elegant dry kiss"

What, no French nationals in the Cabal? :)

But I like it!


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david.romano at gmail

Nov 29, 2005, 12:16 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On 11/29/05, Johan Lindström <johanl [at] darserman> wrote:
> At 18:20 2005-11-29, Robin Berjon wrote:
> >On Nov 27, 2005, at 03:40, David Romano wrote:
> >> I know there are some principles of Catalyst (DRY, KISS, TIMTOWTDI),
> >
> > "Catalyst - the elegant dry kiss"
>
> What, no French nationals in the Cabal? :)
>
> But I like it!
Haha, I like it too!

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dstorrs at dstorrs

Nov 29, 2005, 12:49 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On Nov 29, 2005, at 3:16 PM, David Romano wrote:

> On 11/29/05, Johan Lindström <johanl [at] darserman> wrote:
>> At 18:20 2005-11-29, Robin Berjon wrote:
>>> On Nov 27, 2005, at 03:40, David Romano wrote:
>>>> I know there are some principles of Catalyst (DRY, KISS,
>>>> TIMTOWTDI),
>>>
>>> "Catalyst - the elegant dry kiss"
>>
>> What, no French nationals in the Cabal? :)
>>
>> But I like it!
> Haha, I like it too!
>
> David


Errmm...guys, it's cute, but I really don't think it's a good
choice. (1) it's essentially an in-joke for people who read this
thread (2) It could hurt us with non-techies...you know, with the
PHBs who actually decide what technology gets used.

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pagaltzis at gmx

Nov 29, 2005, 1:41 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
* David K Storrs <dstorrs [at] dstorrs> [2005-11-29 22:00]:
> Errmm...guys, it's cute, but I really don't think it's a good
> choice.

Are you a lawyer?

You’re permitted to laugh at jokes occasionally, you know. :-)

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dstorrs at dstorrs

Nov 29, 2005, 1:51 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On Nov 29, 2005, at 4:41 PM, A. Pagaltzis wrote:

> * David K Storrs <dstorrs [at] dstorrs> [2005-11-29 22:00]:
>> Errmm...guys, it's cute, but I really don't think it's a good
>> choice.
>
> Are you a lawyer?

Nope.

> You’re permitted to laugh at jokes occasionally, you know. :-)

Yup. And I do. This particular one didn't tickle my funny bone, but
I'm glad it worked for you. The problem is that you never know how
serious people on a mailing list are about something.

Thank you for the confirmation that it's a joke, and the reminder to
improve my sense of humor. :-)

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Danijel.Milicevic at rawmode

Nov 29, 2005, 2:08 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:49 -0500, David K Storrs wrote:
> Errmm...guys, it's cute, but I really don't think it's a good
> choice. (1) it's essentially an in-joke for people who read this
> thread (2) It could hurt us with non-techies...you know, with the
> PHBs who actually decide what technology gets used.

Thank god I am not the only one. We should aim for something more
marketing-gibberish than geek-in-joke here - we shouldn't limit our
target audience to people who understand our humour.

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robin.berjon at expway

Nov 29, 2005, 2:32 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On Nov 29, 2005, at 17:08, Danijel Milicevic wrote:
> Thank god I am not the only one. We should aim for something more
> marketing-gibberish than geek-in-joke here - we shouldn't limit our
> target audience to people who understand our humour.

Guys, cool down, just because there wasn't a smiley doesn't mean it
wasn't a joke!

And yeah, I'm French :)

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john.lifsey at nrl

Nov 30, 2005, 11:11 AM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
The MVC 123 original tagline I think had a more catchy ring to it, which
IMO is what you want for a tagline.

Danijel Milicevic wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:49 -0500, David K Storrs wrote:
>
>> Errmm...guys, it's cute, but I really don't think it's a good
>> choice. (1) it's essentially an in-joke for people who read this
>> thread (2) It could hurt us with non-techies...you know, with the
>> PHBs who actually decide what technology gets used.
>>
>
> Thank god I am not the only one. We should aim for something more
> marketing-gibberish than geek-in-joke here - we shouldn't limit our
> target audience to people who understand our humour.
>
> -- Danijel
>
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stef at stefp

Nov 30, 2005, 5:13 PM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
Robin Berjon a écrit :
| On Nov 29, 2005, at 17:08, Danijel Milicevic wrote:
| >Thank god I am not the only one. We should aim for something more
| >marketing-gibberish than geek-in-joke here - we shouldn't limit our
| >target audience to people who understand our humour.
|
| Guys, cool down, just because there wasn't a smiley doesn't mean it
| wasn't a joke!

In 1987, a boat by the name of "French Kis" (Kis after the name of the
sponsor, a French company) competed in the american cup... with little
success. There was some attempt to disqualify it (her?) because of
its name.

|
| And yeah, I'm French :)

Yea, you succeeded where Hitler has failed. Paris is ashes
as I have seen in Fox News.

French? Nothing to brag about, cheese eater surrounder monkey.
Anyway, like all these europeans, you are no good, you can't even breed
and don't know how to hold a gun. Sure enough you can't write good
open source software. BTW: Perl is passé, you should use Python.

</esrmode> :)

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puresignal at gmail

Dec 1, 2005, 12:11 AM

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Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
How about something simple and straightforward like "accelerating Perl web
development" ? That's what Catalyst is supposed to do, right?

A catalyst accelerates a reaction or process; presumably hence the name.
PHBs are more likely to appreciate this process acceleration, rather than
Catalyst's "elegance." Also it's probably worth mentioning that Catalyst is
for Perl. The RoR site highlights Ruby, but Perl is barely mentioned on the
current homepage. I doubt that PHBs could be expected to infer it from the
domain name or comments.

Not sure whether MVC should be so prominent, fond as I am of
buzzword-compliant TLA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLA>s. Frankly all
the MVC trumpeting was a large part of what nauseated me about Struts.

-dave


dstorrs at dstorrs

Dec 1, 2005, 8:22 AM

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Re: Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
On Dec 1, 2005, at 3:11 AM, David Glass wrote:

> How about something simple and straightforward like "accelerating
> Perl web development" ? That's what Catalyst is supposed to do,
> right?
>
> A catalyst accelerates a reaction or process; presumably hence the
> name. PHBs are more likely to appreciate this process
> acceleration, rather than Catalyst's "elegance." Also it's
> probably worth mentioning that Catalyst is for Perl. The RoR site
> highlights Ruby, but Perl is barely mentioned on the current
> homepage. I doubt that PHBs could be expected to infer it from the
> domain name or comments.
>
> Not sure whether MVC should be so prominent, fond as I am of
> buzzword-compliant TLAs. Frankly all the MVC trumpeting was a
> large part of what nauseated me about Struts.
>
> -dave

$_++

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johncwang at gmail

Dec 3, 2005, 1:54 PM

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Re: Re: Tagline for Catalyst [In reply to]
Here's a suggestion from Harry Fuecks' SitePoint blog on Catalyst:

There needs to be a slogan like "A framework is for life, not just for
Christmas <http://pets1st.com/articles/00074PuppyBootCamp.asp>". Once you
start writing code against a framework, you're stuck with it, at least for
as long as you're willing to maintain that code.

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1312


stef at stefp

Dec 3, 2005, 4:56 PM

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Catalyst: CPAN ignites web 2.0

We can't stress enough the existence of CPAN. This tagline gives the
idea of two chemical agents that needs an enabler accelerate a
reaction, the very definition of a catalust.

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