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raanders at acm

Aug 5, 2008, 10:41 AM

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[SOT] cat webmail app?

I think I've done my due diligence. I've searched using Google and
looked through the cat website but haven't found any info on a cat based
webmail interface. Heck even Perl based is tough. And webmail may be
the wrong term.

Anyone aware of a or working on a cat application to access IMAP/SMTP
servers? Most of the webmail applications I could find information on
were designed to run on the mailbox server itself, used LDAP, and POP3.

I'm looking for something that can run on any server and uses IMAP to
access the the mail. Being able to use a separate outbound SMTP server,
verses using the web server, would be nice too.

I know all the pieces are available but a completely or mostly round
wheel to start with would be great.

If there is nothing available I'm thinking of starting with CaMail
(http://freshmeat.net/projects/camail/) and bending it into Catalyst.
Any thoughts on this?

TIA,
Rod
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jshirley at gmail

Aug 5, 2008, 10:57 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Roderick A. Anderson <raanders[at]acm.org> wrote:
> I think I've done my due diligence. I've searched using Google and looked
> through the cat website but haven't found any info on a cat based webmail
> interface. Heck even Perl based is tough. And webmail may be the wrong
> term.
>
> Anyone aware of a or working on a cat application to access IMAP/SMTP
> servers? Most of the webmail applications I could find information on were
> designed to run on the mailbox server itself, used LDAP, and POP3.
>
> I'm looking for something that can run on any server and uses IMAP to access
> the the mail. Being able to use a separate outbound SMTP server, verses
> using the web server, would be nice too.
>
> I know all the pieces are available but a completely or mostly round wheel
> to start with would be great.
>
> If there is nothing available I'm thinking of starting with CaMail
> (http://freshmeat.net/projects/camail/) and bending it into Catalyst. Any
> thoughts on this?
>
>
> TIA,
> Rod
> --
>

To do it right, completely forget about Catalyst. Perhaps work with
the Perl Email Project
(http://emailproject.perl.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page) to build
a comprehensive package that does what you would expect a "webmail"
client requires.

Then, just a simple adapter class to use that model will bind it into
Catalyst and away you go with a webmail client.

Quite an undertaking though, but doing it in the above manner will get
you better results (as well as potential additional contributors)

-J

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raanders at acm

Aug 5, 2008, 11:10 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

J. Shirley wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Roderick A. Anderson <raanders[at]acm.org> wrote:
>> I think I've done my due diligence. I've searched using Google and looked
>> through the cat website but haven't found any info on a cat based webmail
>> interface. Heck even Perl based is tough. And webmail may be the wrong
>> term.
>>
>> Anyone aware of a or working on a cat application to access IMAP/SMTP
>> servers? Most of the webmail applications I could find information on were
>> designed to run on the mailbox server itself, used LDAP, and POP3.
>>
>> I'm looking for something that can run on any server and uses IMAP to access
>> the the mail. Being able to use a separate outbound SMTP server, verses
>> using the web server, would be nice too.
>>
>> I know all the pieces are available but a completely or mostly round wheel
>> to start with would be great.
>>
>> If there is nothing available I'm thinking of starting with CaMail
>> (http://freshmeat.net/projects/camail/) and bending it into Catalyst. Any
>> thoughts on this?
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>> Rod
>> --
>>
>
> To do it right, completely forget about Catalyst. Perhaps work with
> the Perl Email Project
> (http://emailproject.perl.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page) to build
> a comprehensive package that does what you would expect a "webmail"
> client requires.

Funny you should mention this. I was figuring I'd go that route. I was
just hoping someone else had already started down the road.

> Then, just a simple adapter class to use that model will bind it into
> Catalyst and away you go with a webmail client.

Yes! I'll have to look at the PEP site again to see what has been done.
The Mailing list is pretty low volume so I mostly just glance at the
messages.

> Quite an undertaking though, but doing it in the above manner will get
> you better results (as well as potential additional contributors)

Well there are a lot of the pieces already done by the PEP people so it
might be a Lego Building Block project. Probably a little filing and
some super glue will be required. :-)

Rod
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robertkrimen at gmail

Aug 5, 2008, 8:28 PM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Roderick A. Anderson <raanders[at]acm.org>wrote:

> J. Shirley wrote:
>
> Then, just a simple adapter class to use that model will bind it into
>> Catalyst and away you go with a webmail client.
>>
>
> Yes! I'll have to look at the PEP site again to see what has been done.
> The Mailing list is pretty low volume so I mostly just glance at the
> messages.
>

To take this idea further down the rabbit hole, you could build most of the
interface with javascript and HTML (Jemplate, YUI, Dojo, jQuery, ...) and
then have
Catalyst provide a JSON API (View::JSON) layer between your adapter class
and the javascript.

Rob

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Aug 6, 2008, 1:19 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Roderick A. Anderson escribió:
> I think I've done my due diligence. I've searched using Google and
> looked through the cat website but haven't found any info on a cat based
> webmail interface. Heck even Perl based is tough. And webmail may be
> the wrong term.
>
You will get free beer ;)

From http://dev.catalystframework.org/wiki/catalystbounties

4 cases of beer
* An IMAP Client using Ajax type things, preferably using Dojo, to
whoop Squirrelmail's butt. Offered by Suretec - ghenry

I was planning to start a webmail with Catalyst as the base, and an AJAX
interface myself, but I think it's better to team up than to do it on
myself. Are you open to help? Maybe a mailing list can be started to lay
down the design and necessary components, get ideas, etc.

Please contact me at my private mail address if you wish.

Jose Luis Martinez
jlmartinez[at]capside.com

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jshirley at gmail

Aug 6, 2008, 8:08 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Robert Krimen <robertkrimen[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Roderick A. Anderson <raanders[at]acm.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> J. Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> Then, just a simple adapter class to use that model will bind it into
>>> Catalyst and away you go with a webmail client.
>>
>> Yes! I'll have to look at the PEP site again to see what has been done.
>> The Mailing list is pretty low volume so I mostly just glance at the
>> messages.
>
> To take this idea further down the rabbit hole, you could build most of the
> interface with javascript and HTML (Jemplate, YUI, Dojo, jQuery, ...) and
> then have
> Catalyst provide a JSON API (View::JSON) layer between your adapter class
> and the javascript.
>
> Rob
>

JSON is just a wire format, if you want an API better to go with
something with some guidelines like REST or RPC (JSON-RPC is pretty
"fun").

Catalyst::Action::REST takes quite a bit of yak-shaving out of it.
There is also talk about XMPP/PubSub routing for RESTful webservices:
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/4359

May be worth a read if you want something extensible and scalable,
while still trying to do the right thing.

-J

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Aug 7, 2008, 2:59 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Robert Krimen escribi�:
>
> Catalyst provide a JSON API (View::JSON) layer between your adapter
> class and the javascript.
>

Maybe a good (and standard) way of getting the messages to the interface is:
http://search.cpan.org/~areggiori/Email-MIME-XMTP-0.42/lib/Email/MIME/XMTP.pm

Jose Luis Martinez
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raanders at acm

Aug 7, 2008, 1:12 PM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Jose Luis Martinez wrote:
> Roderick A. Anderson escribió:
>> I think I've done my due diligence. I've searched using Google and
>> looked through the cat website but haven't found any info on a cat
>> based webmail interface. Heck even Perl based is tough. And webmail
>> may be the wrong term.
>>
> You will get free beer ;)
>
> From http://dev.catalystframework.org/wiki/catalystbounties
>
> 4 cases of beer
> * An IMAP Client using Ajax type things, preferably using Dojo, to
> whoop Squirrelmail's butt. Offered by Suretec - ghenry
>
> I was planning to start a webmail with Catalyst as the base, and an AJAX
> interface myself, but I think it's better to team up than to do it on
> myself. Are you open to help? Maybe a mailing list can be started to lay
> down the design and necessary components, get ideas, etc.

This looks a little more energetic than I had planned, at least
initially. I am not looking for an Outlook replacement plus I've never
used Squirrelmail so I don't know what all it provides.

That said, I'll give it a whirl. I need to add that I have specific
needs as far as IMAP and SMTP (outbound) handling goes. Those include
Postfix, Dovecot, and PostgreSQL. So that will twist how I want to do
things. I'll aim for as generic as possible so other MTA's, IMAP
servers, and LDA's could be used with a little tweaking.
Oops: Just like the man behind the curtain ignore the mention of LDA
for now. :-)

Jose, you still interested?

Rod
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>
> Jose Luis Martinez
> jlmartinez[at]capside.com
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dbix-class at trout

Aug 7, 2008, 6:46 PM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 01:12:47PM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> Jose Luis Martinez wrote:
> >Roderick A. Anderson escribi�:
> >>I think I've done my due diligence. I've searched using Google and
> >>looked through the cat website but haven't found any info on a cat
> >>based webmail interface. Heck even Perl based is tough. And webmail
> >>may be the wrong term.
> >>
> >You will get free beer ;)
> >
> > From http://dev.catalystframework.org/wiki/catalystbounties
> >
> >4 cases of beer
> > * An IMAP Client using Ajax type things, preferably using Dojo, to
> >whoop Squirrelmail's butt. Offered by Suretec - ghenry
> >
> >I was planning to start a webmail with Catalyst as the base, and an AJAX
> >interface myself, but I think it's better to team up than to do it on
> >myself. Are you open to help? Maybe a mailing list can be started to lay
> >down the design and necessary components, get ideas, etc.
>
> This looks a little more energetic than I had planned, at least
> initially. I am not looking for an Outlook replacement plus I've never
> used Squirrelmail so I don't know what all it provides.

So build the bugger with a plugin interface and let the rest of the world
have a go, you can split the beer :)

> That said, I'll give it a whirl. I need to add that I have specific
> needs as far as IMAP and SMTP (outbound) handling goes. Those include
> Postfix, Dovecot, and PostgreSQL. So that will twist how I want to do
> things. I'll aim for as generic as possible so other MTA's, IMAP
> servers, and LDA's could be used with a little tweaking.

We'll happily host a list and svn for this alongside the main catalyst
stuff; I can also help you set up an IRC channel on irc.perl.org if you
want to at some point.

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Aug 8, 2008, 12:39 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Roderick A. Anderson escribió:

>
> This looks a little more energetic than I had planned, at least
> initially. I am not looking for an Outlook replacement plus I've never
> used Squirrelmail so I don't know what all it provides.

I'm not looking for having a full-blown Outlook either. I'm looking for
the base that will let you grow it into an Outlook via plugins. A
webmail only has to be able to recieve mail, send mail, and have an
address book to start out.

>
> That said, I'll give it a whirl. I need to add that I have specific
> needs as far as IMAP and SMTP (outbound) handling goes. Those include
> Postfix, Dovecot, and PostgreSQL. So that will twist how I want to do
> things.

SMTP is pretty generic, so I don't think that there's anything special
on that part for supporting other MTAs. IMAP servers do have their
peculiarities, but I'm on you with first supporting Dovecot, although
I'd start out with making a Catalyst IMAP model (basically selecting the
IMAP class that best suites from CPAN, and then gluing into Cat). And
why support only Postgres when DBIx::Class does the deed.

I think that all the building blocks are there, just waiting for a
little glue. I've seen other webmail solutions code, and they all seem
to have grown quite organically. I think Cat will let us glue the
appropiate modules into a decently engineered solution.

>
> Jose, you still interested?

I'm still interested.

Matt S Trout wrote:
> We'll happily host a list and svn for this alongside the main catalyst
> stuff; I can also help you set up an IRC channel on irc.perl.org if you
> want to at some point.

Please do so, Matt. That way we can get into discussion without
"bothering" the Catalyst list.

Jose Luis Martinez
jlmartinez[at]capside.com

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dbix-class at trout

Aug 8, 2008, 7:22 AM

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On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 09:39:01AM +0200, Jose Luis Martinez wrote:
> Matt S Trout wrote:
> > We'll happily host a list and svn for this alongside the main catalyst
> > stuff; I can also help you set up an IRC channel on irc.perl.org if you
> > want to at some point.
>
> Please do so, Matt. That way we can get into discussion without
> "bothering" the Catalyst list.

I doubt you'd be bothering us so much :)

I'd need a name to make a list though. catalyst-mail-thingy just doesn't seem
great.

So, I suggest you pick one. Otherwise I'm going to come up with a really bad
name like 'camelmail' and name your list after that.

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Aug 8, 2008, 7:41 AM

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Matt S Trout escribi�:

> I doubt you'd be bothering us so much :)

I would want to go into deep design decisions, and think it would go
very off topic. Although I think a bad thing will happen: isolation from
the rest of smart people that are on the main Catalyst list, so I
encourage them from here to subscribe to the list.

>
> I'd need a name to make a list though. catalyst-mail-thingy just doesn't seem
> great.
>
> So, I suggest you pick one. Otherwise I'm going to come up with a really bad
> name like 'camelmail' and name your list after that.
>

I think "catmail" would be good ;)

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-sometimes-the-mail-gets-you.jpg

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adorman at ironicdesign

Aug 8, 2008, 8:06 AM

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Matt S Trout wrote:
>
> So, I suggest you pick one. Otherwise I'm going to come up with a really bad
> name like 'camelmail' and name your list after that.
>

Heh. I am not sure camelmail is a bad name. At least not if you understand
where the name came from. <grin>

And please make sure you announce the new list to the rest of this list so the
rest of us that are interested can participate.

While we have not jumped into the discussion yet, we are about to field a
webmail service using Horde/IMP/Postfix/OpenLDAP/Cyrus. And while Horde is an
amazing piece of work, it IS PHP. And we would much prefer to work with
Catalyst/Mason/Perl someday.

We may not be able to contribute a lot at the start of the project while we are
getting our current service off the ground and working out the kinks over the
next few months (we are working against a pretty aggressive time line for our
clients). But once it is up and running, we plan to devote some of our
development resources to a replacement for Horde. And we could not do any
better than to collaborate with this team.

It would be fantastic to have a true FOSS modular webmail client using Catalyst.

Andy Dorman
adorman[at]ironicdesign.com
AnteSpam.com

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pagaltzis at gmx

Aug 8, 2008, 3:06 PM

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* Jose Luis Martinez <jlmartinez-lists-catalyst[at]capside.com> [2008-08-08 16:50]:
> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-sometimes-the-mail-gets-you.jpg

I’m not sure that caption is how we want users to think of
a Catalyst mail app. ;-)

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apv at sedition

Aug 8, 2008, 3:20 PM

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On Aug 8, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Jose Luis Martinez <jlmartinez-lists-catalyst[at]capside.com>
> [2008-08-08 16:50]:
>> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-
>> pictures-sometimes-the-mail-gets-you.jpg
>
> I�m not sure that caption is how we want users to think of
> a Catalyst mail app. ;-)

I CAN HAZ EEMAEL�

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akornak at gmail

Aug 8, 2008, 3:47 PM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

http://www.webmin.com/usermin.html

Not Cat based but is a fairly complete perl-based, modular, extensible
solution as well as a useful system administration tool. I have used
Webmin and Usermin for many years and highly recommend both.

-Andrew

On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 10:41 -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> I think I've done my due diligence. I've searched using Google and
> looked through the cat website but haven't found any info on a cat based
> webmail interface. Heck even Perl based is tough. And webmail may be
> the wrong term.
>
> Anyone aware of a or working on a cat application to access IMAP/SMTP
> servers? Most of the webmail applications I could find information on
> were designed to run on the mailbox server itself, used LDAP, and POP3.
>
> I'm looking for something that can run on any server and uses IMAP to
> access the the mail. Being able to use a separate outbound SMTP server,
> verses using the web server, would be nice too.
>
> I know all the pieces are available but a completely or mostly round
> wheel to start with would be great.
>
> If there is nothing available I'm thinking of starting with CaMail
> (http://freshmeat.net/projects/camail/) and bending it into Catalyst.
> Any thoughts on this?
>
>
> TIA,
> Rod

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john.beppu at gmail

Aug 8, 2008, 4:50 PM

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On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Ashley <apv[at]sedition.com> wrote:

>
> I CAN HAZ EEMAEL�
>
> I expect full faith and credit, residuals, points on gross not net, et
> cetera and so on and so forth.
>
>
Ashley wins.

jlmartinez-lists-catalyst at capside

Aug 9, 2008, 12:55 AM

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Aristotle Pagaltzis escribió:
> * Jose Luis Martinez <jlmartinez-lists-catalyst[at]capside.com> [2008-08-08 16:50]:
>> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-sometimes-the-mail-gets-you.jpg
>
> I’m not sure that caption is how we want users to think of
> a Catalyst mail app. ;-)
>
> Regards,

Just a name for the mailing list and a random humourous link (there
aren't any more cheezburgers tagged with "mail" :p). The image is
non-binding to the project as a motto, lema, etc.

Another update:

Kenny Gatdula has contacted me off-list and sent me a "half baked app
that uses dojo for the UI. it's based on their mail demo". Kind thanks
to Kenny for the contribution.

Jose Luis Martinez
jlmartinez[at]capside.com

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richard.siddall at elirion

Aug 9, 2008, 7:48 PM

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Re: Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Ashley wrote:
> I CAN HAZ EEMAEL�
>
> I expect full faith and credit, residuals, points on gross not net, et
> cetera and so on and so forth.

Presumably the logo is the iCan�, or two iCans� connected by an iString�?

Regards,

Richard.

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raanders at acm

Aug 13, 2008, 12:47 PM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Matt S Trout wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 09:39:01AM +0200, Jose Luis Martinez wrote:
>> Matt S Trout wrote:
>>> We'll happily host a list and svn for this alongside the main catalyst
>>> stuff; I can also help you set up an IRC channel on irc.perl.org if you
>>> want to at some point.
>> Please do so, Matt. That way we can get into discussion without
>> "bothering" the Catalyst list.
>
> I doubt you'd be bothering us so much :)
>
> I'd need a name to make a list though. catalyst-mail-thingy just doesn't seem
> great.
>
> So, I suggest you pick one. Otherwise I'm going to come up with a really bad
> name like 'camelmail' and name your list after that.

Well I fell into a pit and had a tough time escaping.

Where are /we/ on this? Name: Catmail? List: exist? Repo: exist?
irc:exist? Needed: Me? (for more than being an agitator.)

Jose. I think I saw a message that you had got some code donated(?).

All. I am working on two other projects that will use Catalyst but I've
been away from development (using cat anyway) for quite awhile so I'm
liable to ask some pretty lame questions.

So does anyone have a preferred module set to deal with IMAP and why?
One of my projects mentioned above uses IMAP and I found there are a lot
of options ... A lot!

Some seem more complete, several have very cryptic methods, many relied
on a previous knowledge of the supporting modules and the documentation
was lacking or vague. I think a lot of problems I ran into was my lack
of experience with IMAP as more than a user.

So enough rambling on. What next?

Rod
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kennyg at pobox

Aug 13, 2008, 9:00 PM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
>
> Where are /we/ on this? Name: Catmail? List: exist? Repo: exist? irc:exist?
> Needed: Me? (for more than being an agitator.)
>
> Jose. I think I saw a message that you had got some code donated(?).

I sent him a prototype that was oddly enough named Catmail. It's
pretty raw, but, it mostly works. It uses Net::IMAP::Simple. you're
more than welcome to it.

> All. I am working on two other projects that will use Catalyst but
> I've been away from development (using cat anyway) for quite awhile
> so I'm liable to ask some pretty lame questions.
>
> So does anyone have a preferred module set to deal with IMAP and
> why? One of my projects mentioned above uses IMAP and I found there
> are a lot of options ... A lot!
>
> Some seem more complete, several have very cryptic methods, many
> relied on a previous knowledge of the supporting modules and the
> documentation was lacking or vague. I think a lot of problems I ran
> into was my lack of experience with IMAP as more than a user.
>
> So enough rambling on. What next?
>
>
> Rod
> --
>
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raanders at acm

Aug 14, 2008, 6:50 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Kenny Gatdula wrote:
>
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
>>
>> Where are /we/ on this? Name: Catmail? List: exist? Repo: exist?
>> irc:exist? Needed: Me? (for more than being an agitator.)
>>
>> Jose. I think I saw a message that you had got some code donated(?).
>
> I sent him a prototype that was oddly enough named Catmail. It's pretty
> raw, but, it mostly works. It uses Net::IMAP::Simple. you're more than
> welcome to it.

Thanks Kenny. Could you send me a copy also?

All: I posted to the Dovecot list yesterday and Timo sent me this link
(http://imapwiki.org/ClientImplementation) and the main site
(http://imapwiki.org/) has more information that helps the IMAP naive.

Rod
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>
>
>> All. I am working on two other projects that will use Catalyst but
>> I've been away from development (using cat anyway) for quite awhile so
>> I'm liable to ask some pretty lame questions.
>>
>> So does anyone have a preferred module set to deal with IMAP and why?
>> One of my projects mentioned above uses IMAP and I found there are a
>> lot of options ... A lot!
>>
>> Some seem more complete, several have very cryptic methods, many
>> relied on a previous knowledge of the supporting modules and the
>> documentation was lacking or vague. I think a lot of problems I ran
>> into was my lack of experience with IMAP as more than a user.
>>
>> So enough rambling on. What next?
>>
>>
>> Rod
>> --
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pat at patspam

Aug 15, 2008, 3:05 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

Not sure if it's what you want but Jesse Vincent showed some cool stuff you
can do with Net::IMAP::Server in his YAPC::Europe talk yesterday, might be
worth checking out.

Patrick

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Roderick A. Anderson <raanders[at]acm.org>wrote:

> Kenny Gatdula wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Where are /we/ on this? Name: Catmail? List: exist? Repo: exist?
>>> irc:exist? Needed: Me? (for more than being an agitator.)
>>>
>>> Jose. I think I saw a message that you had got some code donated(?).
>>>
>>
>> I sent him a prototype that was oddly enough named Catmail. It's pretty
>> raw, but, it mostly works. It uses Net::IMAP::Simple. you're more than
>> welcome to it.
>>
>
> Thanks Kenny. Could you send me a copy also?
>
> All: I posted to the Dovecot list yesterday and Timo sent me this link (
> http://imapwiki.org/ClientImplementation) and the main site (
> http://imapwiki.org/) has more information that helps the IMAP naive.
>
>
> Rod
> --
>
>>
>>
>> All. I am working on two other projects that will use Catalyst but I've
>>> been away from development (using cat anyway) for quite awhile so I'm liable
>>> to ask some pretty lame questions.
>>>
>>> So does anyone have a preferred module set to deal with IMAP and why? One
>>> of my projects mentioned above uses IMAP and I found there are a lot of
>>> options ... A lot!
>>>
>>> Some seem more complete, several have very cryptic methods, many relied
>>> on a previous knowledge of the supporting modules and the documentation was
>>> lacking or vague. I think a lot of problems I ran into was my lack of
>>> experience with IMAP as more than a user.
>>>
>>> So enough rambling on. What next?
>>>
>>>
>>> Rod
>>> --
>>>
>>>
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dbix-class at trout

Aug 18, 2008, 2:48 AM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Andrew Kornak wrote:
> http://www.webmin.com/usermin.html
>
> Not Cat based but is a fairly complete perl-based, modular, extensible
> solution as well as a useful system administration tool. I have used
> Webmin and Usermin for many years and highly recommend both.

How does that remotely relate to webmail?

... also, must chase the authors, one of them was talking about some
Devel::REPL patches.

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Aug 18, 2008, 12:14 PM

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Re: [SOT] cat webmail app? [In reply to]

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:48 +0100, Matt S Trout wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Andrew Kornak wrote:
> > http://www.webmin.com/usermin.html
> >
> > Not Cat based but is a fairly complete perl-based, modular, extensible
> > solution as well as a useful system administration tool. I have used
> > Webmin and Usermin for many years and highly recommend both.
>
> How does that remotely relate to webmail?
>

As per the web sites I included, Usermin has a fairly complete mail
module that integrates with spam/virus filters and offers many options
regarding your mail delivery agent. Webmin and Usermin are BSD-like
licensed and offer RPM. DEB, and tar source packages. I thought it might
be a useful starting point or even a reference since it is written
entirely in perl and is a very mature and well supported project.

http://www.webmin.com/ustandard.html

http://www.webmin.com/uwebmail.html

http://www.webmin.com/modules-index.html

> ... also, must chase the authors, one of them was talking about some
> Devel::REPL patches.
>

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