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melo at simplicidade

Dec 4, 2007, 12:47 AM

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Catalyst Advent Calendar

Hi,

Congrats for the entries in the calendar, they are great.

Do you think its possible to include a title attribute in the links
on the home-page with the article title? It would make searching for
an article easier.

Thanks,
--
Pedro Melo
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diment at gmail

Dec 4, 2007, 1:16 AM

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Re: Catalyst Advent Calendar [In reply to]

We're aware of the limitation. Actually the catalyst advent calendar
is an app written for Catalyst 5.5 which is still running no problems
on Catalyst 5.7011 which we're pretty pleased about. You can grab
the source at http://dev.catalystframework.org/svnweb/Catalyst/
browse/trunk/examples/CatalystAdvent, and provide us with a patch,
or just be patient and eventually you'll get a summary at http://
dev.catalyst.perl.org/wiki/DocLinks/AdventCalendar2007 to go with the
previous years ones at http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/wiki/DocLinks/
AdventCalendar2006 or http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/wiki/DocLinks/
AdventCalendar



On 4 Dec 2007, at 19:47, Pedro Melo wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Congrats for the entries in the calendar, they are great.
>
> Do you think its possible to include a title attribute in the links
> on the home-page with the article title? It would make searching
> for an article easier.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Pedro Melo
> Blog: http://www.simplicidade.org/notes/
> XMPP ID: melo [at] simplicidade
> Use XMPP!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List: Catalyst [at] lists
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> catalyst [at] lists/
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will.trillich at serensoft

Dec 1, 2011, 10:00 AM

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Re: Catalyst Advent Calendar [In reply to]

Coming up with good articles isn't easy! Documentation is the toughest part
of writing code.

Myself, I've been mulling, since Nov 3, how to make *
http://search.cpan.org/~mstrout/Catalyst-View-TT-0.37/lib/Catalyst/View/TT.pm#expose_methods
* resonate better with newbies like me, and I haven't come up with anything
better than what's already there. :( Argh!

I do appreciate the neat articles that talk about Facebook API's and Google
API's and other advanced stuff, but those often seem a bit esoteric and
beyond the daily grind of what we're developing. So it's also good to keep
the newbies in mind. I think if the advent series could showcase a couple
of basic articles (maybe even repackaging email threads?) it'd be great!
Concepts such as:
- how an insulated, personal perl library, instead of system-wide cpan, is
better for a Catalyst app,
- tricks and tips to keep in mind to make migrating a catalyst app from
system Q to system X easy,
- strengths and weaknesses of and techniques for using revision-management
such as mercurial or subversion or git to track source code changes...
- using InstantCRUD or AutoCRUD in various contexts as a debugging tool or
data-mining aid



On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Devin Austin <devin.austin [at] gmail> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> It's that time of year again, and as per tradition, we're running a
> bit behind. If anyone can whip up a few articles to buffer us for the
> next few days with the Advent article, that would be great. We are
> also in great need of an opening article.
>
> Please contact myself (email, or irc: dhoss on irc.perl.org) or
> Dimitar (email: mitakaa [at] gmail, irc: dpetrov).
>
>
> Happy holidays!
> --
> Devin Austin
> http://www.dhoss.net
> 9702906669 - Cell
>
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> Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
>



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and more insignificant things begin to torture you in proportion to your
fear of being hurt." -- Thomas Merton


devin.austin at gmail

Dec 1, 2011, 11:10 AM

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Re: Catalyst Advent Calendar [In reply to]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM, will trillich
<will.trillich [at] serensoft> wrote:
> Coming up with good articles isn't easy! Documentation is the toughest part
> of writing code.
>
> Myself, I've been mulling, since Nov 3, how to
> make http://search.cpan.org/~mstrout/Catalyst-View-TT-0.37/lib/Catalyst/View/TT.pm#expose_methods resonate
> better with newbies like me, and I haven't come up with anything better than
> what's already there. :( Argh!
>
> I do appreciate the neat articles that talk about Facebook API's and Google
> API's and other advanced stuff, but those often seem a bit esoteric and
> beyond the daily grind of what we're developing. So it's also good to keep
> the newbies in mind. I think if the advent series could showcase a couple of
> basic articles (maybe even repackaging email threads?) it'd be great!
> Concepts such as:
> - how an insulated, personal perl library, instead of system-wide cpan, is
> better for a Catalyst app,
Hmm. Not sure I quite understand this one, internal dependencies never
seem to be a better architectural decision over external, thoroughly
tested ones. Could you please elaborate?

> - tricks and tips to keep in mind to make migrating a catalyst app from
> system Q to system X easy,
This could be interesting. Do you have tips? I personally don't
migrate much from system to system, but others might find it useful.

> - strengths and weaknesses of and techniques for using revision-management
> such as mercurial or subversion or git to track source code changes...
> - using InstantCRUD or AutoCRUD in various contexts as a debugging tool or
> data-mining aid
There have been one or two a year on this sort of thing, and while I
think it's beneficial, it's almost something that's been overdone. If
there is something groundbreaking in this area, sure, I'm all for it.
I sure wouldn't mind seeing some more new ideas concerning this, but I
think we need to look toward new things that haven't necessarily been
covered yet, even if we're in dire need of articles.

>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Devin Austin <devin.austin [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> It's that time of year again, and as per tradition, we're running a
>> bit behind.  If anyone can whip up a few articles to buffer us for the
>> next few days with the Advent article, that would be great.  We are
>> also in great need of an opening article.
>>
>> Please contact myself (email, or irc: dhoss on irc.perl.org) or
>> Dimitar (email: mitakaa [at] gmail, irc: dpetrov).
>>
>>
>> Happy holidays!
>> --
>> Devin Austin
>> http://www.dhoss.net
>> 9702906669 - Cell
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> List: Catalyst [at] lists
>> Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst
>> Searchable archive:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst [at] lists/
>> Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
>
>
>
>
> --
> "The more you try to avoid suffering the more you suffer because smaller and
> more insignificant things begin to torture you in proportion to your fear of
> being hurt." -- Thomas Merton
>
> _______________________________________________
> List: Catalyst [at] lists
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>



--
Devin Austin
http://www.dhoss.net
9702906669 - Cell

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orasnita at gmail

Dec 1, 2011, 2:02 PM

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Re: Catalyst Advent Calendar [In reply to]

From: "Devin Austin" <devin.austin [at] gmail>
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM, will trillich<will.trillich [at] serensoft>
wrote:
> Coming up with good articles isn't easy! Documentation is the toughest
> part
> of writing code.
>
> Myself, I've been mulling, since Nov 3, how to
> make
> http://search.cpan.org/~mstrout/Catalyst-View-TT-0.37/lib/Catalyst/View/TT.pm#expose_methods
> resonate
> better with newbies like me, and I haven't come up with anything better
> than
> what's already there. :( Argh!
>
> I do appreciate the neat articles that talk about Facebook API's and
> Google
> API's and other advanced stuff, but those often seem a bit esoteric and
> beyond the daily grind of what we're developing. So it's also good to keep
> the newbies in mind. I think if the advent series could showcase a couple
> of
> basic articles (maybe even repackaging email threads?) it'd be great!



I think there may be helpful some articles about how to deploy Catalyst apps
on the cloud (with examples of the cloud providers that can handle Catalyst
apps).

You know... ActiveState, that company that was targetting the Perl
developers so much in the past, offers a cloud service, but not only that
their email announcement start the list of supported languages with Python
now, but it continues with Java and PHP without even saying something about
Perl. Perl is included in "... and others", and I guess they may be doing
that because there are too few developers that need Perl support.

They offer a few basic examples of Perl programs that can run on their
platform, but it could be interesting to find how other more complicated
things can be done, if they can be done, or to know at least that the cloud
can be used only for simple apps (and in this case it could be helpful a
kind of tutorial for deployment on some recommended VPSs).


Catalyst grew very much, and now there are more options for doing similar
things. It would be helpful a kind of "best practices", or at least a
comparison between similar modules used for form processing, for using
different ORMS, sending email, I18N, etc and even for the recommended web
servers that can be used on Unix or Windows.
If someone used more similar modules and have enough free time, I think
these could be helpful.

Octavian


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will.trillich at serensoft

Dec 2, 2011, 4:54 AM

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Re: Catalyst Advent Calendar [In reply to]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Devin Austin <devin.austin [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM, will trillich
> <will.trillich [at] serensoft> wrote:
> > I do appreciate the neat articles that talk about Facebook API's and
> Google
> > API's and other advanced stuff, but those often seem a bit esoteric and
> > beyond the daily grind of what we're developing. So it's also good to
> keep
> > the newbies in mind. I think if the advent series could showcase a
> couple of
> > basic articles (maybe even repackaging email threads?) it'd be great!
> > Concepts such as:
> > - how an insulated, personal perl library, instead of system-wide cpan,
> is
> > better for a Catalyst app,
> Hmm. Not sure I quite understand this one, internal dependencies never
> seem to be a better architectural decision over external, thoroughly
> tested ones. Could you please elaborate?


In my head, the first item (above) and second item (below) are closely
related. That is, if you maintain your own $local::lib of CPAN wizardry
then you're better off in the long run when your app outlives your server,
or you migrate due to vendor concerns (or politics). Also, isn't it more
likely you'll run into problems using the system perl libraries instead of
a home-grown one? I think I've seen topics like that here on-list... would
be nice to see those concepts encapsulated as an advent article.

> - tricks and tips to keep in mind to make migrating a catalyst app from
> > system Q to system X easy,
> This could be interesting. Do you have tips? I personally don't
> migrate much from system to system, but others might find it useful.


I don't have any such tips, yet. I'm hoping I don't need them all at once
in the future in crash-bang mode when migration becomes a necessity,
hopefully a clear advent article beforehand can help newbies like me avoid
some of the pitfalls...


> > - strengths and weaknesses of and techniques for using
> revision-management
> > such as mercurial or subversion or git to track source code changes...
> > - using InstantCRUD or AutoCRUD in various contexts as a debugging tool
> or
> > data-mining aid
> There have been one or two a year on this sort of thing, and while I
> think it's beneficial, it's almost something that's been overdone. If
> there is something groundbreaking in this area, sure, I'm all for it.
> I sure wouldn't mind seeing some more new ideas concerning this, but I
> think we need to look toward new things that haven't necessarily been
> covered yet, even if we're in dire need of articles.
>

:)

--
"The more you try to avoid suffering the more you suffer because smaller
and more insignificant things begin to torture you in proportion to your
fear of being hurt." -- Thomas Merton


devin.austin at gmail

Dec 2, 2011, 9:14 AM

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Re: Catalyst Advent Calendar [In reply to]

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:54 AM, will trillich
<will.trillich [at] serensoft> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Devin Austin <devin.austin [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM, will trillich
>> <will.trillich [at] serensoft> wrote:
>> > I do appreciate the neat articles that talk about Facebook API's and
>> > Google
>> > API's and other advanced stuff, but those often seem a bit esoteric and
>> > beyond the daily grind of what we're developing. So it's also good to
>> > keep
>> > the newbies in mind. I think if the advent series could showcase a
>> > couple of
>> > basic articles (maybe even repackaging email threads?) it'd be great!
>> > Concepts such as:
>> > - how an insulated, personal perl library, instead of system-wide cpan,
>> > is
>> > better for a Catalyst app,
>> Hmm. Not sure I quite understand this one, internal dependencies never
>> seem to be a better architectural decision over external, thoroughly
>> tested ones.  Could you please elaborate?
>
>
> In my head, the first item (above) and second item (below) are closely
> related. That is, if you maintain your own $local::lib of CPAN wizardry then
> you're better off in the long run when your app outlives your server, or you
> migrate due to vendor concerns (or politics). Also, isn't it more likely
> you'll run into problems using the system perl libraries instead of a
> home-grown one? I think I've seen topics like that here on-list... would be
> nice to see those concepts encapsulated as an advent article.

Ah! Perfect. That makes more sense. There's been local::lib articles
in the past, but if you have something new, I'm sure for it.

>> > - tricks and tips to keep in mind to make migrating a catalyst app from
>> > system Q to system X easy,
>> This could be interesting.  Do you have tips?  I personally don't
>> migrate much from system to system, but others might find it useful.
>
>
> I don't have any such tips, yet. I'm hoping I don't need them all at once in
> the future in crash-bang mode when migration becomes a necessity, hopefully
> a clear advent article beforehand can help newbies like me avoid some of the
> pitfalls...
>
>>
>> > - strengths and weaknesses of and techniques for using
>> > revision-management
>> > such as mercurial or subversion or git to track source code changes...
>> > - using InstantCRUD or AutoCRUD in various contexts as a debugging tool
>> > or
>> > data-mining aid
>> There have been one or two a year on this sort of thing, and while I
>> think it's beneficial, it's almost something that's been overdone.  If
>> there is something groundbreaking in this area, sure, I'm all for it.
>> I sure wouldn't mind seeing some more new ideas concerning this, but I
>> think we need to look toward new things that haven't necessarily been
>> covered yet, even if we're in dire need of articles.
>
>
> :)
>
>
> --
> "The more you try to avoid suffering the more you suffer because smaller and
> more insignificant things begin to torture you in proportion to your fear of
> being hurt." -- Thomas Merton
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

Cool. Keep me in the loop if you come up with anything!

--
Devin Austin
http://www.dhoss.net
9702906669 - Cell

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bobtfish at bobtfish

Dec 2, 2011, 2:03 PM

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Re: Catalyst Advent Calendar [In reply to]

On 1 Dec 2011, at 22:02, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> I think there may be helpful some articles about how to deploy
> Catalyst apps on the cloud (with examples of the cloud providers
> that can handle Catalyst apps).

I hate to say this, but, "well volunteered".

Cheers
t0m

P.S. No, really - if you're deploying Catalyst 'in the cloud' on any
service, then both myself and the wider community would love to hear
from you, and writing a short article (a hundred words of "provider X
is awesome, here are 3 gotchas") would be extremely awesome... Thanks
in advance :)

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devin.austin at gmail

Dec 2, 2011, 2:18 PM

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On Dec 2, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Tomas Doran <bobtfish [at] bobtfish> wrote:

>
> On 1 Dec 2011, at 22:02, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>> I think there may be helpful some articles about how to deploy Catalyst apps on the cloud (with examples of the cloud providers that can handle Catalyst apps).
>
> I hate to say this, but, "well volunteered".

Seconded whole heartedly. I would love to know what's good out there and why.


> Cheers
> t0m
>
> P.S. No, really - if you're deploying Catalyst 'in the cloud' on any service, then both myself and the wider community would love to hear from you, and writing a short article (a hundred words of "provider X is awesome, here are 3 gotchas") would be extremely awesome... Thanks in advance :)
>
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