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gaberubin at gmail

Nov 16, 2009, 10:03 AM

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How much longer for fedora 10?

I see that Fedora 12 is about to be released. I am still using Fedora
10. Anytime I upgrade Fedora, I have to burn a DVD, take my mythbox
offline, and update the box and deal with any little quirks that
updating does. It is pretty much a half day project, so I tend to
only do it when I would run into unsupported distro issues. I know I
can (and probably should) switch to something more sensible like
CentOS, but I am afraid that has its own complications.

Understanding that it is not an if, but a when for my upgrade to
Fedora 12, I am curious how much longer ATrpms will support Fedora 10.

Thanks

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drees76 at gmail

Nov 16, 2009, 10:55 AM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
> I see that Fedora 12 is about to be released.  I am still using Fedora
> 10.  Anytime I upgrade Fedora, I have to burn a DVD, take my mythbox
> offline, and update the box and deal with any little quirks that
> updating does.  It is pretty much a half day project, so I tend to
> only do it when I would run into unsupported distro issues.  I know I
> can (and probably should) switch to something more sensible like
> CentOS, but I am afraid that has its own complications.
>
> Understanding that it is not an if, but a when for my upgrade to
> Fedora 12, I am curious how much longer ATrpms will support Fedora 10.

In the past, it's been a bit longer than Fedora's official support
period, which runs about a month after the n+2 release.

-Dave

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Axel.Thimm at ATrpms

Nov 16, 2009, 11:27 AM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:55:45AM -0800, David Rees wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
> > I see that Fedora 12 is about to be released.  I am still using Fedora
> > 10.  Anytime I upgrade Fedora, I have to burn a DVD, take my mythbox
> > offline, and update the box and deal with any little quirks that
> > updating does.  It is pretty much a half day project, so I tend to
> > only do it when I would run into unsupported distro issues.  I know I
> > can (and probably should) switch to something more sensible like
> > CentOS, but I am afraid that has its own complications.
> >
> > Understanding that it is not an if, but a when for my upgrade to
> > Fedora 12, I am curious how much longer ATrpms will support Fedora 10.
>
> In the past, it's been a bit longer than Fedora's official support
> period, which runs about a month after the n+2 release.

Yes, that was the scheme until now - it doesn't make sense to support
a Fedora release if the mothership cannot support it anymore, e.g. if
there can't be upgrades to kernel and glibc, even security related
ones, it doesn't make sense to upgrade mythtv.

E.g. F12 will be out on the 17th of November and F10 will stop
receiving updates and any other support about mid December. See also

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle

Wrt to upgrading: I already upgrade a couple of systems to F12. Fedora
12 has been "released" in non-DVD form, e.g. /Everything/ and
/updates/ is already working, you can have F12 on you system with a
yum upgrade today! (And it works rather smoothly this time)

Just try

rpm -Uhv http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/fedora-release-12-1.noarch.rpm

and then yum upgrade to Fedora 12.
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gaberubin at gmail

Nov 16, 2009, 11:30 AM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm [at] atrpms> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:55:45AM -0800, David Rees wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
>> > I see that Fedora 12 is about to be released.  I am still using Fedora
>> > 10.  Anytime I upgrade Fedora, I have to burn a DVD, take my mythbox
>> > offline, and update the box and deal with any little quirks that
>> > updating does.  It is pretty much a half day project, so I tend to
>> > only do it when I would run into unsupported distro issues.  I know I
>> > can (and probably should) switch to something more sensible like
>> > CentOS, but I am afraid that has its own complications.
>> >
>> > Understanding that it is not an if, but a when for my upgrade to
>> > Fedora 12, I am curious how much longer ATrpms will support Fedora 10.
>>
>> In the past, it's been a bit longer than Fedora's official support
>> period, which runs about a month after the n+2 release.
>
> Yes, that was the scheme until now - it doesn't make sense to support
> a Fedora release if the mothership cannot support it anymore, e.g. if
> there can't be upgrades to kernel and glibc, even security related
> ones, it doesn't make sense to upgrade mythtv.

Totally understand the decision, and I realized my email may have
sounded somewhat entitled. I do appreciate the work you put into
making my system as stable as can be. Obviously I don't like the
constant upgrades, but it is much more worthwhile to have a modern,
stable, secure system.

>
> E.g. F12 will be out on the 17th of November and F10 will stop
> receiving updates and any other support about mid December. See also
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle
>
> Wrt to upgrading: I already upgrade a couple of systems to F12. Fedora
> 12 has been "released" in non-DVD form, e.g. /Everything/ and
> /updates/ is already working, you can have F12 on you system with a
> yum upgrade today! (And it works rather smoothly this time)
>
> Just try
>
> rpm -Uhv http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/fedora-release-12-1.noarch.rpm
>
> and then yum upgrade to Fedora 12.

If it is truly this easy, then I won't even have the upgrades to
complain about. This will probably be a thanksgiving weekend project.

Thanks,

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gaberubin at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 6:52 PM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm [at] atrpms> wrote:
>
> Wrt to upgrading: I already upgrade a couple of systems to F12. Fedora
> 12 has been "released" in non-DVD form, e.g. /Everything/ and
> /updates/ is already working, you can have F12 on you system with a
> yum upgrade today! (And it works rather smoothly this time)
>
> Just try
>
> rpm -Uhv http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/fedora-release-12-1.noarch.rpm
>
> and then yum upgrade to Fedora 12.

Axel, thanks. THis looks promising, but before I do it, 2 questions:

1) I am not using a 64 bit CPU so I think I need the i386 release, but
I am not seeing this rpm in that
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/i386/os/Packages.
I assume I can't just use the x86_64 stuff.

2) Can I safely do this going from Fedora 10 to Fedora 12 (i.e.,
skipping Fedora 11)?

I am downloading a DVD image just in case, so not a big deal, but nice
to know how to keep my system updated for future uses.

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mylists at wilsononline

Nov 24, 2009, 7:12 PM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On 25/11/2009 1:52 PM, Gabe Rubin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm [at] atrpms> wrote:
>> Wrt to upgrading: I already upgrade a couple of systems to F12. Fedora
>> 12 has been "released" in non-DVD form, e.g. /Everything/ and
>> /updates/ is already working, you can have F12 on you system with a
>> yum upgrade today! (And it works rather smoothly this time)
>>
>> Just try
>>
>> rpm -Uhv http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/fedora-release-12-1.noarch.rpm
>>
>> and then yum upgrade to Fedora 12.
>
> Axel, thanks. THis looks promising, but before I do it, 2 questions:
>
> 1) I am not using a 64 bit CPU so I think I need the i386 release, but
> I am not seeing this rpm in that
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/i386/os/Packages.
> I assume I can't just use the x86_64 stuff.
>
> 2) Can I safely do this going from Fedora 10 to Fedora 12 (i.e.,
> skipping Fedora 11)?
>
> I am downloading a DVD image just in case, so not a big deal, but nice
> to know how to keep my system updated for future uses.
>
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Note the Fedora 12 upgrade notes do say that F10 -> F12 is a supported upgrade path..
I have personally done this from FC4->FC6->FC8->F10..

Some people seem to use the Yum upgrade method, where as I have always used the Install
from CD/DVD method..

I'm not sure what the DVD upgrade does, I presume some sort of rpm --force install of all
the F12 packages..

Good luck and let us know if you have success/problems..

Paul




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drees76 at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 7:21 PM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
> 2) Can I safely do this going from Fedora 10 to Fedora 12 (i.e.,
> skipping Fedora 11)?

No.

"It is not possible to update directly from Fedora 10 or earlier with
yum. To upgrade from Fedora 10, first update to Fedora 11, and then
upgrade from Fedora 11 to Fedora 12." [1]

-Dave

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_11_-.3E_Fedora_12

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mylists at wilsononline

Nov 24, 2009, 7:30 PM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On 25/11/2009 2:21 PM, David Rees wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
>> 2) Can I safely do this going from Fedora 10 to Fedora 12 (i.e.,
>> skipping Fedora 11)?
>
> No.
>
> "It is not possible to update directly from Fedora 10 or earlier with
> yum. To upgrade from Fedora 10, first update to Fedora 11, and then
> upgrade from Fedora 11 to Fedora 12." [1]
>
> -Dave
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_11_-.3E_Fedora_12
>
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Not according to the Install notes:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/ch-upgrade-x86.html

quote:
To upgrade from Fedora 10 you should bring your system up to date before performing the
upgrade.
This recommended reinstallation method helps to ensure the best system stability possible.
If you currently use Fedora 10, you can perform a traditional, installation program-based
upgrade. ....


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drees76 at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 7:33 PM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul <mylists [at] wilsononline> wrote:
> On 25/11/2009 2:21 PM, David Rees wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2) Can I safely do this going from Fedora 10 to Fedora 12 (i.e.,
>>> skipping Fedora 11)?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> "It is not possible to update directly from Fedora 10 or earlier with
>> yum. To upgrade from Fedora 10, first update to Fedora 11, and then
>> upgrade from Fedora 11 to Fedora 12." [1]
>>
>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_11_-.3E_Fedora_12
>
> Not according to the Install notes:
>
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/ch-upgrade-x86.html

We are talking about live yum upgrades, not DVD upgrades.

-Dave

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Axel.Thimm at ATrpms

Nov 24, 2009, 8:23 PM

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Re: How much longer for fedora 10? [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 06:52:45PM -0800, Gabe Rubin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm [at] atrpms> wrote:
> >
> > Wrt to upgrading: I already upgrade a couple of systems to F12. Fedora
> > 12 has been "released" in non-DVD form, e.g. /Everything/ and
> > /updates/ is already working, you can have F12 on you system with a
> > yum upgrade today! (And it works rather smoothly this time)
> >
> > Just try
> >
> > rpm -Uhv http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/fedora-release-12-1.noarch.rpm
> >
> > and then yum upgrade to Fedora 12.
>
> Axel, thanks. THis looks promising, but before I do it, 2 questions:
>
> 1) I am not using a 64 bit CPU so I think I need the i386 release, but
> I am not seeing this rpm in that
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/i386/os/Packages.

It is there, here is the direct URL:

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/i386/os/Packages/fedora-release-12-1.noarch.rpm

> I assume I can't just use the x86_64 stuff.

Actually it is the same package ("noarch").

> 2) Can I safely do this going from Fedora 10 to Fedora 12 (i.e.,
> skipping Fedora 11)?
>
> I am downloading a DVD image just in case, so not a big deal, but nice
> to know how to keep my system updated for future uses.

I;ve used apt/yum/smart to cross-grade from RHEL systems to Fedora and
vice verse, so it will be possible. The question is how much effort it
would be and how many other have tried this upgrade path to share
common pitfalls (if there are any).

All I can say is that the F11->F12 yum upgrade path was the smoothest
until now, and F10->F11 wasn;t that painful either, so F10->F12 has
good chances of succeeding, but having the install/rescue DVD handy
for plan B is not a dumb thing to do. :)
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