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philledwards at gmail

Nov 9, 2009, 11:01 PM

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Upgrading to MythTV 0.22 (not release candidate - final)

Sorry if this has been asked, but it seems like the transition of
MythTV 0.22 slipped by pretty much unannounced. In fact the only way I
heard about it was that a Slashdot announcement sent so many people to
www.mythtv.org that the site couldn't cope with the traffic! So
anyway, it seems that 0.22 is no longer a release candidate, it's a
final release.

I'm running CentOS 5.2 and my guess is that package dependency for
0.22 is going to be painful with things like VDPAU and new versions of
QT etc.Has anyone here done an upgrade to 0.22 on a CentOS 5 machine?
I'm considering ditching CentOS and going back to Fedora
merry-go-round as it's just too hard to get packages for CentOS.

Regards,
Phill

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promac at gmail

Nov 10, 2009, 12:31 AM

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Re: Upgrading to MythTV 0.22 (not release candidate - final) [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Phill Edwards <philledwards [at] gmail>wrote:

> Sorry if this has been asked, but it seems like the transition of
> MythTV 0.22 slipped by pretty much unannounced. In fact the only way I
> heard about it was that a Slashdot announcement sent so many people to
> www.mythtv.org that the site couldn't cope with the traffic! So
> anyway, it seems that 0.22 is no longer a release candidate, it's a
> final release.
>
> I'm running CentOS 5.2 and my guess is that package dependency for
> 0.22 is going to be painful with things like VDPAU and new versions of
> QT etc.Has anyone here done an upgrade to 0.22 on a CentOS 5 machine?
> I'm considering ditching CentOS and going back to Fedora
> merry-go-round as it's just too hard to get packages for CentOS.
>
>
I have a rhel 5.4 and the upgrade had exactly the same problems presented
for F10.

First, before upgrading, I had to remove mythstream, and afterwards,
mythweather and dead keys are not working for me. Other than that,
I did not notice any issue yet.

I read some posts saying it is necessary a newer qt4 (available in ATrpms
testing), but I already had a self compiled qt 4.5.2 installed.

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briandlong at gmail

Nov 10, 2009, 4:41 AM

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Re: Upgrading to MythTV 0.22 (not release candidate - final) [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Phill Edwards <philledwards [at] gmail>wrote:

>
> I'm running CentOS 5.2 and my guess is that package dependency for
> 0.22 is going to be painful with things like VDPAU and new versions of
> QT etc.Has anyone here done an upgrade to 0.22 on a CentOS 5 machine?
> I'm considering ditching CentOS and going back to Fedora
> merry-go-round as it's just too hard to get packages for CentOS.
>

Phill,
I'll let others address your MythTV 0.22 question since I've not upgraded
yet. :)

Why are you running CentOS? If it's for a longer lifetime and stability,
you're running the proper distro. If it's for access to the
latest-and-greatest packages, Fedora would be proper. I run CentOS on my
MythTV server and it's been great. I've never lacked packages. If Axel
doesn't have what I need, I might install one or two RPMs from rpmforge.

Why do you say it's too hard to get packages for CentOS?

/Brian/

atrpms at markbs

Nov 10, 2009, 6:03 AM

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Re: Upgrading to MythTV 0.22 (not release candidate - final) [In reply to]

----- Message from briandlong [at] gmail ---------
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Phill Edwards <philledwards [at] gmail>wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm running CentOS 5.2 and my guess is that package dependency for
>> 0.22 is going to be painful with things like VDPAU and new versions of
>> QT etc.Has anyone here done an upgrade to 0.22 on a CentOS 5 machine?
>> I'm considering ditching CentOS and going back to Fedora
>> merry-go-round as it's just too hard to get packages for CentOS.
>>
>
> Phill,
> I'll let others address your MythTV 0.22 question since I've not upgraded
> yet. :)
>
> Why are you running CentOS? If it's for a longer lifetime and stability,
> you're running the proper distro. If it's for access to the
> latest-and-greatest packages, Fedora would be proper. I run CentOS on my
> MythTV server and it's been great. I've never lacked packages. If Axel
> doesn't have what I need, I might install one or two RPMs from rpmforge.
>
> Why do you say it's too hard to get packages for CentOS?
>
> /Brian/
>
----- End message from briandlong [at] gmail -----

I'm running Centos 5.4 on a bunch of machines used for MythTV (4
machines which consist of 3 frontends and 3 backends). I was
originally drawn to CentOS for some non-mythtv machines for exactly
the reason mentioned above -- long term support. I got tired of
getting EOL'ed on fedora releases so quickly.

However, with the release of MythTV 0.22 and hulu desktop for linux,
it's become clear that CentOS 5 is a bit too far behind (read that:
stable :) on a number of key packages (python, libc, glib etc) to make
it viable going forward as a distro for MythTV.

So it's not that there's a problem getting packages for CentOS, there
is a problem being so many versions behind in some key packages...

All that said, I'm keeping CentOS for my non-myth machines as I am
very happy with the distro (with added packages from the fantastic
ATRPMS and to a lesser extent fedora epel).

I'm switching all my myth machines to Fedora 12 + ATRPMS when it is
released... with some sadness ;)

I've been running 0.22 on Centos 5 since RC1. Seems mostly good.
Some of the stuff I ran into:

* watch qt4-* (from centos) vs qt44-* (from atrpms) -- you want ONLY
the qt44-* from atrpms. Here's what I have on a typical machine:

qt.i386 1:3.3.6-23.el5 (centos)
qt-MySQL.i386 1:3.3.6-23.el5 (centos)
qt3.noarch 3.3.3-2 (centos)
qt3-MySQL.noarch 3.3.3-2 (centos)
qt44.i386 4.4.3-10_4.el5 (atrpms)
qt44-mysql.i386 4.4.3-10_4.el5 (atrpms)
qt44-x11.i386 4.4.3-10_4.el5 (atrpms)

* Make sure to stop all of your frontends and backends (and disable
init.d scripts if applicable). Do a manual myth db backup. Do your
yum upgrades. Run mythtvsetup on one backend at a time - watch log
files to confirm db updates succeeded. Start one frontend and watch
the db upgrades...

* Realize that you can't run jamu.py and all the other fancy new
metadata scrapers, and that you can't run hulu desktop for linux, and
miro, and... ponder a fedora 12 install :)

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knowledgejunkie at gmail

Nov 10, 2009, 7:21 AM

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Re: Upgrading to MythTV 0.22 (not release candidate - final) [In reply to]

2009/11/10 Phill Edwards <philledwards [at] gmail>:
> Sorry if this has been asked, but it seems like the transition of
> MythTV 0.22 slipped by pretty much unannounced. In fact the only way I
> heard about it was that a Slashdot announcement sent so many people to
> www.mythtv.org that the site couldn't cope with the traffic! So
> anyway, it seems that 0.22 is no longer a release candidate, it's a
> final release.

Developer Chris Pinkham made the official announcement to the
mythtv-users list on November 7th, but the /. effect on mythtv.org is
usually a good indication that something is afoot.

> I'm running CentOS 5.2 and my guess is that package dependency for
> 0.22 is going to be painful with things like VDPAU and new versions of
> QT etc.Has anyone here done an upgrade to 0.22 on a CentOS 5 machine?
> I'm considering ditching CentOS and going back to Fedora
> merry-go-round as it's just too hard to get packages for CentOS.

Phill/Mark,

RHEL 6 (based on Fedora 12) is likely to be released in Q1-2010 (to be
closely followed by CentOS 6), so it depends how soon you want to
upgrade and how many, if any, packages are unavailable for your
current system at the moment.

Due to its stability, I'm probably going to wait for CentOS 6 before
finally upgrading my master backend from FC4/0.21 and continue to run
0.22 in parallel on a dev subnet. However, you could throw Fedora
11/12 on the machine until the new release of CentOS is available, and
then move back to the long-term support solution which will include
updated versions of MythTV's deps.

Cheers,
Nick

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briandlong at gmail

Nov 10, 2009, 9:23 AM

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Re: Upgrading to MythTV 0.22 (not release candidate - final) [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Mark S <atrpms [at] markbs> wrote:

> ----- Message from briandlong [at] gmail ---------
>
> * Realize that you can't run jamu.py and all the other fancy new metadata
> scrapers, and that you can't run hulu desktop for linux, and miro, and...
> ponder a fedora 12 install :)

Mark,
Thanks for pointing this out. I had not put 2+2 together to understand Jamu
and the other scrapers were not going to work on CentOS 5. I hadn't seen
threads mention Jamu issues specific to a distro or older release like
CentOS 5.

/Brian/

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