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atrpms at kosowsky

Nov 1, 2008, 5:30 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms

Fedor Pikus wrote at about 17:00:21 -0700 on Saturday, November 1, 2008:
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky <atrpms[at]kosowsky.org> wrote:
> > Even better would be if you could retain them ;)
> > but assuming you can't it would be good to have something like a 30
> > day transition/warning if possible.
>
> This is a serious issue. Fedora 9 has *huge* number of problems, large
> and small. The half-baked KDE4 which, even with the update, is nowhere
> ready for release. GDM is still missing some basic functionality like
> auto-login. Synaptic cannot be used at all, and the developers are
> pointing fingers at each other every few months in Bugzilla comments.
>
> May be the Fedora 10 is better. But at least until it has enough
> exposure and we know more about it, Fedora 8 is the last usable
> release. The support for it should not be dropped until there is an
> alternative, and right now (not counting the still-unknown Fedora 10)
> the only alternative is Ubuntu/Gentoo/etc.
>
Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
less reason to upgrade every 6 months.
I know that Centos is available and has a longer upgrade cycle, but I
prefer the choice of upgrading to the latest when needed and then not
having to upgrade until I need it again. At least with this strategy,
for some of the time I have the latest and greatest. And then it is up
to me when to upgrade to the latest and greatest again.

Given that disk size doubles every 1-2 years (with corresponding drops
in price), I would hope that the cost of keeping old rpms available
wouuld be now quite near minimal (and as I mentioned before, if it
would help, I would be willing to send a small contribution to defray
a share of the cost). Then depending on the burden, you could decide
when (if ever) to update the old rpms for critical bug fixes/changes.

The problem for me with Centos (in my non-production environment) is
that then I am NEVER current and only get further out of date as time
passes.

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amessina at messinet

Nov 1, 2008, 6:36 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Saturday 01 November 2008 07:30:29 pm Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> Given that disk size doubles every 1-2 years (with corresponding drops
> in price), I would hope that the cost of keeping old rpms available
> wouuld be now quite near minimal (and as I mentioned before, if it
> would help, I would be willing to send a small contribution to defray
> a share of the cost). Then depending on the burden, you could decide
> when (if ever) to update the old rpms for critical bug fixes/changes

remember, too, that even if axel won't keepthem around, there's nothing
keeping anyone else from maintaining a local repo.

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Nov 1, 2008, 7:04 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky <atrpms[at]kosowsky.org>wrote:

> Fedor Pikus wrote at about 17:00:21 -0700 on Saturday, November 1, 2008:
> > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky <
> atrpms[at]kosowsky.org> wrote:
> > > Even better would be if you could retain them ;)
> > > but assuming you can't it would be good to have something like a 30
> > > day transition/warning if possible.
> >
> > This is a serious issue. Fedora 9 has *huge* number of problems, large
> > and small. The half-baked KDE4 which, even with the update, is nowhere
> > ready for release. GDM is still missing some basic functionality like
> > auto-login. Synaptic cannot be used at all, and the developers are
> > pointing fingers at each other every few months in Bugzilla comments.
> >
> > May be the Fedora 10 is better. But at least until it has enough
> > exposure and we know more about it, Fedora 8 is the last usable
> > release. The support for it should not be dropped until there is an
> > alternative, and right now (not counting the still-unknown Fedora 10)
> > the only alternative is Ubuntu/Gentoo/etc.
> >
> Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
> less reason to upgrade every 6 months.
> I know that Centos is available and has a longer upgrade cycle, but I
> prefer the choice of upgrading to the latest when needed and then not
> having to upgrade until I need it again. At least with this strategy,
> for some of the time I have the latest and greatest. And then it is up
> to me when to upgrade to the latest and greatest again.
>
> Given that disk size doubles every 1-2 years (with corresponding drops
> in price), I would hope that the cost of keeping old rpms available
> wouuld be now quite near minimal (and as I mentioned before, if it
> would help, I would be willing to send a small contribution to defray
> a share of the cost). Then depending on the burden, you could decide
> when (if ever) to update the old rpms for critical bug fixes/changes.
>
> The problem for me with Centos (in my non-production environment) is
> that then I am NEVER current and only get further out of date as time
> passes.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>

For more than 2 years now, Axel has dropped support for distros as they have
reached their respective end-of-life dates. See announcement here:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/atrpms/announce/18

This is one of the primary reasons I jumped from Fedora to CentOS.

Grant

atrpms at kosowsky

Nov 1, 2008, 7:14 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

Grant McChesney wrote at about 20:04:40 -0600 on Saturday, November 1, 2008:
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky <atrpms[at]kosowsky.org>wrote:
>
> > Fedor Pikus wrote at about 17:00:21 -0700 on Saturday, November 1, 2008:
> > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky <
> > atrpms[at]kosowsky.org> wrote:
> > > > Even better would be if you could retain them ;)
> > > > but assuming you can't it would be good to have something like a 30
> > > > day transition/warning if possible.
> > >
> > > This is a serious issue. Fedora 9 has *huge* number of problems, large
> > > and small. The half-baked KDE4 which, even with the update, is nowhere
> > > ready for release. GDM is still missing some basic functionality like
> > > auto-login. Synaptic cannot be used at all, and the developers are
> > > pointing fingers at each other every few months in Bugzilla comments.
> > >
> > > May be the Fedora 10 is better. But at least until it has enough
> > > exposure and we know more about it, Fedora 8 is the last usable
> > > release. The support for it should not be dropped until there is an
> > > alternative, and right now (not counting the still-unknown Fedora 10)
> > > the only alternative is Ubuntu/Gentoo/etc.
> > >
> > Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
> > less reason to upgrade every 6 months.
> > I know that Centos is available and has a longer upgrade cycle, but I
> > prefer the choice of upgrading to the latest when needed and then not
> > having to upgrade until I need it again. At least with this strategy,
> > for some of the time I have the latest and greatest. And then it is up
> > to me when to upgrade to the latest and greatest again.
> >
> > Given that disk size doubles every 1-2 years (with corresponding drops
> > in price), I would hope that the cost of keeping old rpms available
> > wouuld be now quite near minimal (and as I mentioned before, if it
> > would help, I would be willing to send a small contribution to defray
> > a share of the cost). Then depending on the burden, you could decide
> > when (if ever) to update the old rpms for critical bug fixes/changes.
> >
> > The problem for me with Centos (in my non-production environment) is
> > that then I am NEVER current and only get further out of date as time
> > passes.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
>
> For more than 2 years now, Axel has dropped support for distros as they have
> reached their respective end-of-life dates. See announcement here:
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/atrpms/announce/18
>
> This is one of the primary reasons I jumped from Fedora to CentOS.
>
I was just suggesting a possible reconsideration and was offering to
contribute my share of $$$ (or Euros) if money is the issue.

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amessina at messinet

Nov 1, 2008, 7:25 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Saturday 01 November 2008 09:14:37 pm Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> �> For more than 2 years now, Axel has dropped support for distros as they
> have > reached their respective end-of-life dates. �See announcement here:
> > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/atrpms/announce/18
> �>
> �> This is one of the primary reasons I jumped from Fedora to CentOS.
> �>
> I was just suggesting a possible reconsideration and was offering to
> contribute my share of $$$ (or Euros) if money is the issue.

while i do not have the bandwidth that axel does, disk space is not an issue
right now, and i'd consider keeping my f8 mirror around:
http://messinet.com/pub/mirror/dl.atrpms.net/

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Nov 1, 2008, 10:20 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:30:29PM -0400, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
> less reason to upgrade every 6 months.

The problem is that F8 will reach EOL meaning that there will be no
more security updates. Just in October there were 28 such updates
including a kernel security update. Half a year after the EOL date you
will have 180 security flaws and probably 6 kernel releated ones. :/
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fpikus at gmail

Nov 1, 2008, 10:45 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm[at]atrpms.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:30:29PM -0400, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
>> Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
>> less reason to upgrade every 6 months.
>
> The problem is that F8 will reach EOL meaning that there will be no
> more security updates. Just in October there were 28 such updates
> including a kernel security update. Half a year after the EOL date you
> will have 180 security flaws and probably 6 kernel releated ones. :/
> --
> Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
>

True, but if the choice is between useless and insecure, I'd take insecure.

Besides, the need to support Fedora 8 would not be for long: either
Fedora 10 is usable, then after few months the majority will move, or
Fedora 10 is not vastly better than Fedora 9, it would mean that there
is no supported usable version of Fedora after 8 is EOLed, then we
will have to switch to something else.

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Nov 1, 2008, 11:14 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm[at]atrpms.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:45:48PM -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm[at]atrpms.net> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:30:29PM -0400, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
>> >> Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
>> >> less reason to upgrade every 6 months.
>> >
>> > The problem is that F8 will reach EOL meaning that there will be no
>> > more security updates. Just in October there were 28 such updates
>> > including a kernel security update. Half a year after the EOL date you
>> > will have 180 security flaws and probably 6 kernel releated ones. :/
>> >
>>
>> True, but if the choice is between useless and insecure, I'd take insecure.
>>
>> Besides, the need to support Fedora 8 would not be for long: either
>> Fedora 10 is usable, then after few months the majority will move, or
>> Fedora 10 is not vastly better than Fedora 9, it would mean that there
>> is no supported usable version of Fedora after 8 is EOLed, then we
>> will have to switch to something else.
>
> The Fedora EOL is always one (or even two now) months after the
> release of the next to next Fedora release in order to allow people to
> skip a release in between and have a windows to upgrade.
>
> But if F9 didn't work for you I doubt F10 will be much better. F9 now
> is a completely different entity than it was 6 months ago and many

Did they fix KDE4? Or allow KDE3.5 as an option?
I picked the KDE4.1 update, it just crashes in different places.

> issues have been fixed. What issue remain are most likely still there
> in F10 and the only way to have it fixed is to report it to
> bugzilla.redhat.com.

My experience with Synaptic bug suggests that it's a waste of
electrons. Synaptic is completely broken (there is no workaround, it
cannot install a single package) and nobody gives a damn, just blame
each other.

> --
> Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
>

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atrpms at kosowsky

Nov 1, 2008, 11:23 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

Axel Thimm wrote at about 06:53:01 +0200 on Sunday, November 2, 2008:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:30:29PM -0400, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> > Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
> > less reason to upgrade every 6 months.
>
> The problem is that F8 will reach EOL meaning that there will be no
> more security updates. Just in October there were 28 such updates
> including a kernel security update. Half a year after the EOL date you
> will have 180 security flaws and probably 6 kernel releated ones. :/
> --
> Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

True - but for those of us running home systems, we may be willing to
take the risk... at least until we find the time to upgrade...

I don't really relish spending multiple hours updating all my
customizations ;)

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Nov 2, 2008, 12:02 AM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:45:48PM -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm[at]atrpms.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:30:29PM -0400, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> >> Additionally, as Linux and Fedora continue to mature, I find less and
> >> less reason to upgrade every 6 months.
> >
> > The problem is that F8 will reach EOL meaning that there will be no
> > more security updates. Just in October there were 28 such updates
> > including a kernel security update. Half a year after the EOL date you
> > will have 180 security flaws and probably 6 kernel releated ones. :/
> >
>
> True, but if the choice is between useless and insecure, I'd take insecure.
>
> Besides, the need to support Fedora 8 would not be for long: either
> Fedora 10 is usable, then after few months the majority will move, or
> Fedora 10 is not vastly better than Fedora 9, it would mean that there
> is no supported usable version of Fedora after 8 is EOLed, then we
> will have to switch to something else.

The Fedora EOL is always one (or even two now) months after the
release of the next to next Fedora release in order to allow people to
skip a release in between and have a windows to upgrade.

But if F9 didn't work for you I doubt F10 will be much better. F9 now
is a completely different entity than it was 6 months ago and many
issues have been fixed. What issue remain are most likely still there
in F10 and the only way to have it fixed is to report it to
bugzilla.redhat.com.
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Axel.Thimm at ATrpms

Nov 2, 2008, 12:20 AM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 11:14:34PM -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote:
> > But if F9 didn't work for you I doubt F10 will be much better. F9 now
> > is a completely different entity than it was 6 months ago and many
>
> Did they fix KDE4? Or allow KDE3.5 as an option?
> I picked the KDE4.1 update, it just crashes in different places.

I can't say, as I'm not usong ot much, but the noise about it is less
now than it was some time ago.

KDE or KDE fixing is not mentioned in the F10 features, so I don't
expect any differences to F9's current KDE. Actually I just checked
and F8/F9/F10 share the same kdelibs 4.1.2-5 package, so I wonder why
F8 doesn't exhibit the same issues?

> > issues have been fixed. What issue remain are most likely still there
> > in F10 and the only way to have it fixed is to report it to
> > bugzilla.redhat.com.
>
> My experience with Synaptic bug suggests that it's a waste of
> electrons. Synaptic is completely broken (there is no workaround, it
> cannot install a single package) and nobody gives a damn, just blame
> each other.

No one blames anyone. The rpmlibs changed and synaptic needs to be
patched, but there are very few people that know both apt/synaptic and
rpm well enough to do so. Fortunately the current Red Hat rpm
developer is also apt-rpm's upstream core developer, but unfortunately
he's piled up with work.
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Nov 2, 2008, 3:31 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm[at]atrpms.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 11:14:34PM -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote:
>> > But if F9 didn't work for you I doubt F10 will be much better. F9 now
>> > is a completely different entity than it was 6 months ago and many
>>
>> Did they fix KDE4? Or allow KDE3.5 as an option?
>> I picked the KDE4.1 update, it just crashes in different places.
>
> I can't say, as I'm not usong ot much, but the noise about it is less
> now than it was some time ago.
>
> KDE or KDE fixing is not mentioned in the F10 features, so I don't
> expect any differences to F9's current KDE. Actually I just checked
> and F8/F9/F10 share the same kdelibs 4.1.2-5 package, so I wonder why
> F8 doesn't exhibit the same issues?

F8 uses KDE 3.5. KDE4 libraries are available for running KDE4
applications, if you really need them, but KDE itself (the desktop,
the file manager, konqueror, the applets) are all KDE3 not KDE4.

>
>> > issues have been fixed. What issue remain are most likely still there
>> > in F10 and the only way to have it fixed is to report it to
>> > bugzilla.redhat.com.
>>
>> My experience with Synaptic bug suggests that it's a waste of
>> electrons. Synaptic is completely broken (there is no workaround, it
>> cannot install a single package) and nobody gives a damn, just blame
>> each other.
>
> No one blames anyone. The rpmlibs changed and synaptic needs to be
> patched, but there are very few people that know both apt/synaptic and
> rpm well enough to do so. Fortunately the current Red Hat rpm
> developer is also apt-rpm's upstream core developer, but unfortunately
> he's piled up with work.
> --
> Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
>

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Nov 6, 2008, 8:14 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> True - but for those of us running home systems, we may be willing to
> take the risk... at least until we find the time to upgrade...
>
> I don't really relish spending multiple hours updating all my
> customizations ;)
>
Not to troll or anything, but this is exactly the reason I gave
mythbuntu a try. I've been using redhat since 6.1, all the way up to
fedora 7. After fedora 7 went EOL I decided to give mythbuntu a try. A
couple of my coworkers recommended it and the automated upgrades were
very appealing. No more wasting a weekend every 6 months or year just
to upgrade a computer that was working fine. I know ubuntu does 6
months release cycles, but upgrading is as simple as apt-get
dist-upgrade (most of the time) and they also offer their LTS version
(8.04) which is good for 2 years (not sure if mythtv packages are
backported though). I haven't upgraded my mythbuntu from 8.04 to 8.10
yet but I have done my laptop. Everything went off with only one hitch,
the latest kernel is having issues with certain sata controllers but I
booted into the old one no problem.

Mythbuntu is by no means perfect but I feel much better right now
knowing that I'm not going to have to spend time to reinstall fedora
(upgrades even from the dvd never worked for me) just so I can keep
getting updated mythtv packages. I'm very thankful for Axel and atrpms
as I never would have taken the time to compile mythtv from source but
fedora's lack of an automated upgrade path caused me too much
frustration. Mythbuntu may not be the best solution for everyone but I
think its worth looking into if you're sick of constantly reinstalling
fedora.

Marshall

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garrick at usc

Nov 6, 2008, 8:39 PM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:14:56PM -0600, Marshall Crocker alleged:
> Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> > True - but for those of us running home systems, we may be willing to
> > take the risk... at least until we find the time to upgrade...
> >
> > I don't really relish spending multiple hours updating all my
> > customizations ;)
> >
> Not to troll or anything, but this is exactly the reason I gave
> mythbuntu a try. I've been using redhat since 6.1, all the way up to
> fedora 7. After fedora 7 went EOL I decided to give mythbuntu a try. A

I haven't tried mythbuntu because I'm concerned about keeping myth packages in
sync between my dedicated fe/be box, and the seldom used frontends on my
desktops and laptops through the house.

Once you are using different distros, you won't necessarily be easy to keep
everybody working together.

Anyone have any thoughts on that?

> Mythbuntu is by no means perfect but I feel much better right now
> knowing that I'm not going to have to spend time to reinstall fedora
> (upgrades even from the dvd never worked for me) just so I can keep
> getting updated mythtv packages. I'm very thankful for Axel and atrpms
> as I never would have taken the time to compile mythtv from source but
> fedora's lack of an automated upgrade path caused me too much
> frustration. Mythbuntu may not be the best solution for everyone but I
> think its worth looking into if you're sick of constantly reinstalling
> fedora.

Have you tried the new pre-upgrade stuff? That has worked great for me.

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Nov 7, 2008, 12:22 AM

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Personnally I went through this

- Fedora 6 up until a few month (well at the end no more mythtv updates, but it was working so why upgrade ?), this install went through a lot of modifications, initially running on its own, then as VServer guest, then as a Xen domu with PCI passthrough, and finally chrooted under Centos 5.

- I saw Mythbuntu, and thought "This is the way to go". Did a test install, everything worked. Few weeks later I managed to get an "upgrade window" from my wife :), installed it, upgraded everything, bummm no sound. Seems like the latest ubuntu kernels doesn't like my pundit P1-A2 integrated sound chipset.

- Finally I decided to keep my running Centos 5 and simply installed MythTV on it.

And I must say, after thinking about it, CentOS 5 + MythTV (thanks ATrpms) meets my personnal requirements for my media center:
- rock solid
- no risky updates - I'm running Ubuntu on different systems since 6.04, and i've seen some updates (not upgrades) breaking anything from sound to network, even X11 once.
- no need for an OS upgrade every year

So if you ask me, give CentOS 5 a try.

Christian

----- "Garrick Staples" <garrick[at]usc.edu> a écrit :

> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:14:56PM -0600, Marshall Crocker alleged:
> > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> > > True - but for those of us running home systems, we may be willing
> to
> > > take the risk... at least until we find the time to upgrade...
> > >
> > > I don't really relish spending multiple hours updating all my
> > > customizations ;)
> > >
> > Not to troll or anything, but this is exactly the reason I gave
> > mythbuntu a try. I've been using redhat since 6.1, all the way up
> to
> > fedora 7. After fedora 7 went EOL I decided to give mythbuntu a
> try. A
>
> I haven't tried mythbuntu because I'm concerned about keeping myth
> packages in
> sync between my dedicated fe/be box, and the seldom used frontends on
> my
> desktops and laptops through the house.
>
> Once you are using different distros, you won't necessarily be easy to
> keep
> everybody working together.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on that?
>
>
> > Mythbuntu is by no means perfect but I feel much better right now
> > knowing that I'm not going to have to spend time to reinstall fedora
>
> > (upgrades even from the dvd never worked for me) just so I can keep
>
> > getting updated mythtv packages. I'm very thankful for Axel and
> atrpms
> > as I never would have taken the time to compile mythtv from source
> but
> > fedora's lack of an automated upgrade path caused me too much
> > frustration. Mythbuntu may not be the best solution for everyone but
> I
> > think its worth looking into if you're sick of constantly
> reinstalling
> > fedora.
>
> Have you tried the new pre-upgrade stuff? That has worked great for
> me.
>
> --
> Garrick Staples, GNU/Linux HPCC SysAdmin
> University of Southern California
>
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>
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Nov 7, 2008, 8:27 AM

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Re: Would it be possible to give a warning before you wipe out the Fedora8 atrpms [In reply to]

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 09:22:48AM +0100, Christian Knauber alleged:
> Personnally I went through this
>
> - Fedora 6 up until a few month (well at the end no more mythtv updates, but it was working so why upgrade ?),

Heh, I'd stop upgrading if I could get *everything* working. But something, somewhere is always broken.

My current problem is that AAC isn't working. Maybe it will work with fedora 10. *shrug*

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