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rc46fi at googlemail

Nov 20, 2007, 7:09 AM

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Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost

Hi Guys,

I always keep being puzzled about those options, and I also don't get
enlighted by the doc.

this is what I have:

System: Debian Etch

/etc/apache2/apaxhe2.conf:

...
NameVirtualHost *:80
NameVirtualHost *:443
...

in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled I have

file clue:

<VirtualHost *:80>
ServerName test-clue
....
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost *:443>
ServerName test-clue
....
</VirtualHost>

file dom:

<VirtualHost *:80>
ServerName test-dom
....
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost *:443>
ServerName test-dom
....
</VirtualHost>

file ltc:

<VirtualHost *:80>
ServerName test-ltc
....
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost *:443>
ServerName test-ltc
....
</VirtualHost>

Since I'm running the test-server on one single IP, I'm aware that I'm
getting ssl-warnings - it doesn't matter.

However, this is what's driving me nuts:

When I enter the url "https://test-ltc", I'm always sent to
"https://test-clue", and I kust don't understand why.

According to the docs
(http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/de/vhosts/examples.html) my example
doesn't look all that wrong.

Is there anything I'm overlooking?

This is my /etc/hosts:

10.170.202.5 test-clue
10.170.202.5 test-ltc
10.170.202.5 test-ltc-kr
10.170.202.5 test-dom

Could somebody please shed some light here?

TIA

Gregor
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covener at gmail

Nov 20, 2007, 7:28 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

On Nov 20, 2007 10:09 AM, Gregor Schneider <rc46fi [at] googlemail> wrote:
> NameVirtualHost *:443
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-clue
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-dom
> ....
> </VirtualHost>

> When I enter the url "https://test-ltc", I'm always sent to
> "https://test-clue", and I kust don't understand why.

For SSL, apache selects the virtualhost based on the IP:port
combination, because the decision must be made at the beginning of the
handshake (before the HTTP Host: header is available).

The default vhost is the first vhost specified.


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david at twocats

Nov 20, 2007, 7:29 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

You can't to name based virtual hosting.

You need more IP addresses :)

The way SSL works is by connecting to the first host. It will then be
tied to that one forever...

You'd need to run the extra SSL sites on either extra IP addresses or
other port numbers.

D


On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 16:09 +0100, Gregor Schneider wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I always keep being puzzled about those options, and I also don't get
> enlighted by the doc.
>
> this is what I have:
>
> System: Debian Etch
>
> /etc/apache2/apaxhe2.conf:
>
> ...
> NameVirtualHost *:80
> NameVirtualHost *:443
> ...
>
> in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled I have
>
> file clue:
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
> ServerName test-clue
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-clue
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> file dom:
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
> ServerName test-dom
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-dom
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> file ltc:
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
> ServerName test-ltc
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-ltc
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> Since I'm running the test-server on one single IP, I'm aware that I'm
> getting ssl-warnings - it doesn't matter.
>
> However, this is what's driving me nuts:
>
> When I enter the url "https://test-ltc", I'm always sent to
> "https://test-clue", and I kust don't understand why.
>
> According to the docs
> (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/de/vhosts/examples.html) my example
> doesn't look all that wrong.
>
> Is there anything I'm overlooking?
>
> This is my /etc/hosts:
>
> 10.170.202.5 test-clue
> 10.170.202.5 test-ltc
> 10.170.202.5 test-ltc-kr
> 10.170.202.5 test-dom
>
> Could somebody please shed some light here?
>
> TIA
>
> Gregor


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dbb at st-andrews

Nov 20, 2007, 7:38 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

You can't use Virtual Hosts like that with SSL. The SSL handshake
with keys etc comes before the client tells the server which host it's
trying
to connect to, so the server has to read the ssl config before then,
thus you
get the config for the first one.

Solution is to use IP based virtual hosts, though you might be able to do
something with server side includes and redirects that changed the home
page based on th %{HTTP_HOST} variable. I've done something like
that when i wanted https://virtualhost2 to redirect to
https://virtualhost1/host2


Help Any?

Duncan



Gregor Schneider wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I always keep being puzzled about those options, and I also don't get
> enlighted by the doc.
>
> this is what I have:
>
> System: Debian Etch
>
> /etc/apache2/apaxhe2.conf:
>
> ...
> NameVirtualHost *:80
> NameVirtualHost *:443
> ...
>
> in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled I have
>
> file clue:
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
> ServerName test-clue
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-clue
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> file dom:
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
> ServerName test-dom
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-dom
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> file ltc:
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
> ServerName test-ltc
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerName test-ltc
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> Since I'm running the test-server on one single IP, I'm aware that I'm
> getting ssl-warnings - it doesn't matter.
>
> However, this is what's driving me nuts:
>
> When I enter the url "https://test-ltc", I'm always sent to
> "https://test-clue", and I kust don't understand why.
>
> According to the docs
> (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/de/vhosts/examples.html) my example
> doesn't look all that wrong.
>
> Is there anything I'm overlooking?
>
> This is my /etc/hosts:
>
> 10.170.202.5 test-clue
> 10.170.202.5 test-ltc
> 10.170.202.5 test-ltc-kr
> 10.170.202.5 test-dom
>
> Could somebody please shed some light here?
>
> TIA
>
> Gregor
>


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rc46fi at googlemail

Nov 20, 2007, 7:48 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

Guys,

I've just solved the problem.

As I said b4, I don't care about a message stating "SSL-cert is not
valid" since it's just a test-server.

The problem was the ServerName-directive:

Now I've changed my vhost-definition to

<VirtualHost *:80>
ServerAlias test-clue
....
</VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost *:443>
ServerAlias test-clue
....
</VirtualHost>

This means I did not state any ServerName-directive but used
ServerAlias instead, and everything runs like charm :)

Thanks anyways!

Gregor
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krist.vanbesien at gmail

Nov 21, 2007, 1:31 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

On Nov 20, 2007 4:48 PM, Gregor Schneider <rc46fi [at] googlemail> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I've just solved the problem.
>
> As I said b4, I don't care about a message stating "SSL-cert is not
> valid" since it's just a test-server.

That's not the issue. You can't combine namevirtualhosts with SSL. So
any https request will go to your first *.443 virtualhost, regardless
of what you put there as servername or serveralias.

> The problem was the ServerName-directive:
>
> Now I've changed my vhost-definition to
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
> ServerAlias test-clue
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> <VirtualHost *:443>
> ServerAlias test-clue
> ....
> </VirtualHost>
>
> This means I did not state any ServerName-directive but used
> ServerAlias instead, and everything runs like charm :)

Are you sure? This looks like Apache behaving against its
specification in a big way.

Krist




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rc46fi at googlemail

Nov 21, 2007, 2:32 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

hi krist,


>
> Are you sure? This looks like Apache behaving against its
> specification in a big way.
>
I am sure since it's working as expected.

Afaik this issue has been discussed before, I just couldn't find it.

Against what specs should Apache behave? Any URL quoting those specs?

As I'm understanding it, Apache parses the URL of the request (after
SSL-handshake ´mumbling about a wrong cert) and then routes to the
correct ServerAlias - I can't see what should be wrong in this
behaviour.

Again, if you have any sources stating different, please let me know.

Cheers

Gregor


> Krist
>
>
>
>
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Owen.Boyle at swx

Nov 21, 2007, 7:59 AM

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RE: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregor Schneider [mailto:rc46fi [at] googlemail]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:32 AM
> To: users [at] httpd
> Subject: Re: [users [at] http] Problem with NameVirtualHost and
> VirtualHost
>
> hi krist,
>
>
> >
> > Are you sure? This looks like Apache behaving against its
> > specification in a big way.
> >
> I am sure since it's working as expected.
>
> Afaik this issue has been discussed before, I just couldn't find it.
>
> Against what specs should Apache behave? Any URL quoting those specs?
>
> As I'm understanding it, Apache parses the URL of the request (after
> SSL-handshake ´mumbling about a wrong cert) and then routes to the
> correct ServerAlias - I can't see what should be wrong in this
> behaviour.

That's about right... You didn't (mercifully :-) show us your complete config, but I'm guessing you just used ServerAlias directives instead of ServerName. As far as VH resolution is concerned, they are equivalent. You might get problems with redirect and self-referential URLs, however.

It is true that if you don't care about browser warnings, or that the session is encrypted using the cert from the first VH only, then name-based VHing under SSL will *seem* to work. It's fine for a test environment but this is no solution for the real world (would you type your credit card number into a website that seemed to be called nice-shop.com but your browser was complaining that the certificate was registered to evil-crook.com?)

It is worth emphasising that this "problem" is nothing specific to do with apache; it's a fundamental feature of HTTP/HTTPS.

Rgds,
Owen Boyle
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>
> Again, if you have any sources stating different, please let me know.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gregor
>
>
> > Krist
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > krist [at] vanbesien
> > Bremgarten b. Bern, Switzerland
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rc46fi at googlemail

Nov 21, 2007, 8:32 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

Hi Owen!

On Nov 21, 2007 4:59 PM, Boyle Owen <Owen.Boyle [at] swx> wrote:
>
> That's about right... You didn't (mercifully :-) show us your complete config,
>
well, if u need some reading-stuff. I'll send them to ypu right away
or, if you prefer, post 'em here on the list ;)

> but I'm guessing you just used ServerAlias directives instead of ServerName.

absolutely correct

> As far as VH resolution is concerned, they are equivalent. You might get problems with redirect and self-referential URLs, however.

ehem?

Could you specify what you mean by this?

What I did to every vhost is, that I specified a vhost on port80 and
one on 443.
When coming in through port 80, then a small rule via mod_rewrite
redirects the request to port 443, and this also works like charm.

Here's the rule:

RewriteRule ^/(.*)$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}/$1

> It is true that if you don't care about browser warnings, or that the session is encrypted using the cert from the first VH only, then name-based VHing under SSL will *seem* to work. It's fine for a test environment but this is no solution for the real world (would you type your credit card number into a website that seemed to be called nice-shop.com but your browser was complaining that the certificate was registered to evil-crook.com?)
>

I absolutely agree with you on that one. However, it's just a
test-server for internal development mirroring the production-server's
environment, and the struggle with our network-admins allowing us
additional IPs for that server is something I'd rather avoid ;)

Cheers!

Gregor
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christian.folini at post

Nov 21, 2007, 8:36 AM

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Re: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 04:59:33PM +0100, Boyle Owen wrote:
> It is worth emphasising that this "problem" is nothing specific to do with apache; it's a fundamental feature of HTTP/HTTPS.

You might want to read this recent howto:
http://howtoforge.net/enable-multiple-https-sites-on-one-ip-using-tls-extensions-on-debian-etch

It's not really ready for production in most settings, but
maybe one day.

regs,

Christian


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Owen.Boyle at swx

Nov 21, 2007, 11:10 AM

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RE: Problem with NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost [In reply to]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregor Schneider [mailto:rc46fi [at] googlemail]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 5:33 PM
> To: users [at] httpd
> Subject: Re: [users [at] http] Problem with NameVirtualHost and
> VirtualHost
>
> Hi Owen!
>
> On Nov 21, 2007 4:59 PM, Boyle Owen <Owen.Boyle [at] swx> wrote:
> >
> > That's about right... You didn't (mercifully :-) show us
> your complete config,
> >
> well, if u need some reading-stuff. I'll send them to ypu right away
> or, if you prefer, post 'em here on the list ;)
>
> > but I'm guessing you just used ServerAlias directives
> instead of ServerName.
>
> absolutely correct
>
> > As far as VH resolution is concerned, they are equivalent.
> You might get problems with redirect and self-referential
> URLs, however.
>
> ehem?
>
> Could you specify what you mean by this?

Apache makes a self-referential URL when you do a 301/302 redirect to
another part of the same site (eg, Redirect /old.page /new.page). It
needs to know the name of the host to put at the front of the URL in the
Location header. Usually, it gets this from the ServerName directive. If
you haven't defined one, it makes one up by reverse-DNSing the IP
address of the VH (in extremis, it just uses the IP address). If you are
using NBVHs, then all your VHs have the same IP so a reverse DNS lookup
of the IP returns a list of domain-names. I think apache just uses the
first one, in this case. So if you had three VHs on the same IP and and
you had a redirect in VH3 as above, a request for http://host3/old.page
would be redirected to http://host1/new.page - which is probably not
what you want.

Having said all that, I'm not sure how ServerAlias affects all this.
From a strict reading of the docs, it doesn't. But you never know...

Rgds,
Owen Boyle
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>
> What I did to every vhost is, that I specified a vhost on port80 and
> one on 443.
> When coming in through port 80, then a small rule via mod_rewrite
> redirects the request to port 443, and this also works like charm.
>
> Here's the rule:
>
> RewriteRule ^/(.*)$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}/$1
>
> > It is true that if you don't care about browser warnings,
> or that the session is encrypted using the cert from the
> first VH only, then name-based VHing under SSL will *seem* to
> work. It's fine for a test environment but this is no
> solution for the real world (would you type your credit card
> number into a website that seemed to be called nice-shop.com
> but your browser was complaining that the certificate was
> registered to evil-crook.com?)
> >
>
> I absolutely agree with you on that one. However, it's just a
> test-server for internal development mirroring the production-server's
> environment, and the struggle with our network-admins allowing us
> additional IPs for that server is something I'd rather avoid ;)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Gregor
> --
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