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minfrin at sharp

Oct 1, 2009, 3:27 AM

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Hi all,

Does httpd want to volunteer for this?

Regards,
Graham
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paul at querna

Oct 2, 2009, 10:50 AM

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Unless there are any objections, i intend to convert httpd.apache.org
later tonight.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Graham Leggett <minfrin [at] sharp> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does httpd want to volunteer for this?
>
> Regards,
> Graham
> --
>
> Hi,
>
> apr.apache.org is now managed by SvnPubSub.
>
> I think we are ready to add more.
>
> Any volunteer TLPs?
>
> Once its done, any commit to your SVN repo for your site will be
> automatically propagated to the live servers within seconds.
>
> Things i need to know:
> - Path to Website Checkout
> - If applicable, do you need a dev/dist directory
> - Do you want a $tlp.staging.apache.org (Just maps to another SVN
> url, like $tlp/site/branche/staging)
>
>
> Notes to self current process:
> - Add new paths to /etc/svnwcsub.conf
> - Checkout svn paths to /x1/tmp
> - mv /x1/www/$tlp old-site && mv /x1/tmp/$tlp /x1/www/$tlp
> - chown -R svnwc /x1/www/$tlp
> - /etc/init.d/svnwcsub restart
>
>

minfrin at sharp

Oct 2, 2009, 11:28 AM

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Paul Querna wrote:

> Unless there are any objections, i intend to convert httpd.apache.org
> later tonight.

Yes please!

httpd v2.2.14 has been languishing on p.a.o for ages, and refuses to
sync to w.a.o. I cannot announce httpd v2.2.14 until this is fixed.

Regards,
Graham
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wrowe at rowe-clan

Oct 2, 2009, 12:05 PM

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Graham Leggett wrote:
> Paul Querna wrote:
>
>> Unless there are any objections, i intend to convert httpd.apache.org
>> later tonight.
>
> Yes please!
>
> httpd v2.2.14 has been languishing on p.a.o for ages, and refuses to
> sync to w.a.o. I cannot announce httpd v2.2.14 until this is fixed.

and you can't sync to the current website until this sync occurs, but we
must wait 24 hours for mirrors to catch up.

people.apache.org:/www/www.apache.org/dist/httpd/ is definitely out there,
so I don't know what's going on; although the file permissions are wrong,
it looks like you didn't set your umask correct.

Files should be 664 not 644 to open them to the httpd group, please? But
that should not stop a sync, and I don't know why infrastructure hasn't
responded to your multiple appeals this week :(

Bill

tony at pc-tony

Oct 2, 2009, 1:00 PM

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On 2 Oct 2009, at 20:05, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

> Graham Leggett wrote:
>> Paul Querna wrote:
>>
>>> Unless there are any objections, i intend to convert
>>> httpd.apache.org
>>> later tonight.
>>
>> Yes please!
>>
>> httpd v2.2.14 has been languishing on p.a.o for ages, and refuses to
>> sync to w.a.o. I cannot announce httpd v2.2.14 until this is fixed.
>
> and you can't sync to the current website until this sync occurs,
> but we
> must wait 24 hours for mirrors to catch up.
>
> people.apache.org:/www/www.apache.org/dist/httpd/ is definitely out
> there,
> so I don't know what's going on; although the file permissions are
> wrong,
> it looks like you didn't set your umask correct.
>
> Files should be 664 not 644 to open them to the httpd group,
> please? But
> that should not stop a sync, and I don't know why infrastructure
> hasn't
> responded to your multiple appeals this week :(
>

Because we have been busy, perhaps?
Anyway, it is on my todo list for tonight to fix sync

Cheers,
Tony

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wrowe at rowe-clan

Oct 2, 2009, 2:01 PM

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Tony Stevenson wrote:
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 20:05, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Files should be 664 not 644 to open them to the httpd group, please? But
>> that should not stop a sync, and I don't know why infrastructure hasn't
>> responded to your multiple appeals this week :(
>>
>
> Because we have been busy, perhaps?
> Anyway, it is on my todo list for tonight to fix sync

I was simply referring to the lack of any acknowledgment, not the lack of any
action, yet :)

trawick at gmail

Oct 3, 2009, 7:18 AM

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Does anybody know the current status of the syncing effort? (other than the
fact that we aren't synced yet ;) )

I saw commits from Paul yesterday but didn't understand the big picture.

minfrin at sharp

Oct 3, 2009, 8:49 AM

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Jeff Trawick wrote:

> Does anybody know the current status of the syncing effort? (other than
> the fact that we aren't synced yet ;) )
>
> I saw commits from Paul yesterday but didn't understand the big picture.

www.apache.org/dist/httpd has picked up one of the v2.2.14 release
tarballs, but none of the others.

Can anyone look and see what is going on, or if the procedure for
publishing binaries has changed, clarify what that procedure is?

Regards,
Graham
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Oct 3, 2009, 9:10 AM

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Graham Leggett wrote:
> Jeff Trawick wrote:
>
>> Does anybody know the current status of the syncing effort? (other than
>> the fact that we aren't synced yet ;) )
>>
>> I saw commits from Paul yesterday but didn't understand the big picture.
>
> www.apache.org/dist/httpd has picked up one of the v2.2.14 release
> tarballs, but none of the others.
>
> Can anyone look and see what is going on, or if the procedure for
> publishing binaries has changed, clarify what that procedure is?

If I had to speculate; somehow the permissions that my login are SUPPOSED
to be setting (even for scp) were not, and yesterday I chmod'ed those files
to be 664 perms. The files were then mirrored.

I will hazard a guess that you didn't follow up on my post Graham, and fix your
umask, and the permissions of the files you had touched, and that the mirroring
system isn't permitting those files to be synced without proper perms and ownership
(group httpd).

Either that, or fiddling with the perms reset the file ctimes to the current window
(ctime being the inode modified time).

Bill

paul at querna

Oct 3, 2009, 11:17 AM

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Graham Leggett <minfrin [at] sharp> wrote:
> Jeff Trawick wrote:
>
>> Does anybody know the current status of the syncing effort? (other than
>> the fact that we aren't synced yet ;) )
>>
>> I saw commits from Paul yesterday but didn't understand the big picture.
>
> www.apache.org/dist/httpd has picked up one of the v2.2.14 release
> tarballs, but none of the others.

www.apache.org/dist/ is a completely different ballgame -- I am purely
migrating httpd.apache.org right now.

paul at querna

Oct 3, 2009, 12:06 PM

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Okay, its done for the first round.

<https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/site/trunk/docs>
maps 'live' within a few seconds to
<http://httpd.apache.org/>

if you want to try it out, edit docs/test.txt, and you can see it show up here:
<http://httpd.apache.org/test.txt> pretty quickly.

This does not include www.apache.org/dist/httpd yet -- I'll try to
figure out all the details to that one later today.

Thanks,

Paul

paul at querna

Oct 3, 2009, 2:10 PM

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<http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/>
is now syncing with:
<https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>

Commits to the dist repo should be propagated to the ASF's live us/eu
mirrors very quickly -- it will still take up to 24 hours for those
files to be propagated from the ASF servers to the rest of our mirror
network.

thanks,

paul

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul Querna <paul [at] querna> wrote:
> Okay, its done for the first round.
>
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/site/trunk/docs>
> maps 'live' within a few seconds to
> <http://httpd.apache.org/>
>
> if you want to try it out, edit docs/test.txt, and you can see it show up here:
> <http://httpd.apache.org/test.txt> pretty quickly.
>
> This does not include www.apache.org/dist/httpd yet -- I'll try to
> figure out all the details to that one later today.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>

fuankg at apache

Oct 3, 2009, 4:12 PM

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Hi Bill,
William A. Rowe, Jr. schrieb:
> If I had to speculate; somehow the permissions that my login are SUPPOSED
> to be setting (even for scp) were not, and yesterday I chmod'ed those files
> to be 664 perms. The files were then mirrored.
>
> I will hazard a guess that you didn't follow up on my post Graham, and fix your
> umask, and the permissions of the files you had touched, and that the mirroring
> system isn't permitting those files to be synced without proper perms and ownership
> (group httpd).
I did chmod 664 from the beginning, and my NetWare bins are still not
sync'd, and also I see no win32 bins yet (though not looked if you had
already put some up, but guess so since I see the win32-src mirrored);
the src tar.* are now up ....

GÜn.

fuankg at apache

Oct 3, 2009, 4:34 PM

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Hi,
Guenter Knauf schrieb:
> I did chmod 664 from the beginning, and my NetWare bins are still not
> sync'd, and also I see no win32 bins yet (though not looked if you had
> already put some up, but guess so since I see the win32-src mirrored);
> the src tar.* are now up ....
finally the .14 bins show up ...

Gün.

minfrin at sharp

Oct 3, 2009, 5:20 PM

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William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

> If I had to speculate; somehow the permissions that my login are SUPPOSED
> to be setting (even for scp) were not, and yesterday I chmod'ed those files
> to be 664 perms. The files were then mirrored.
>
> I will hazard a guess that you didn't follow up on my post Graham, and fix your
> umask, and the permissions of the files you had touched, and that the mirroring
> system isn't permitting those files to be synced without proper perms and ownership
> (group httpd).

I did follow up on the post, and fixed the permissions on the files, but
was busy late this afternoon and so wasn't able to see if the changes
had made any effect. Looking now (about 10 hours later), it seems the
changes haven't made any effect.

I would feel a lot better if this process was documented somewhere, so I
didn't have to sit and guess what stupid thing I had missed, and not
knowing what I'd missed, not be in a position to fix it.

Or alternatively, a quick message to say "we're up to our eyeballs in
ddos, please hold we'll back get to you".

Regards,
Graham
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Oct 3, 2009, 5:26 PM

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Guenter Knauf wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> William A. Rowe, Jr. schrieb:
>> If I had to speculate; somehow the permissions that my login are SUPPOSED
>> to be setting (even for scp) were not, and yesterday I chmod'ed those files
>> to be 664 perms. The files were then mirrored.
>>
>> I will hazard a guess that you didn't follow up on my post Graham, and fix your
>> umask, and the permissions of the files you had touched, and that the mirroring
>> system isn't permitting those files to be synced without proper perms and ownership
>> (group httpd).
> I did chmod 664 from the beginning, and my NetWare bins are still not
> sync'd, and also I see no win32 bins yet (though not looked if you had
> already put some up, but guess so since I see the win32-src mirrored);
> the src tar.* are now up ....

Yesterday I had fixed /dist/httpd, but not ../win32/binaries. These have also now
shown up. Looks like we are (belatedly) in good shape, even netware appears to be
out there now.

paul at querna

Oct 3, 2009, 5:52 PM

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
<wrowe [at] rowe-clan> wrote:
> Yesterday I had fixed /dist/httpd, but not ../win32/binaries. These have also now
> shown up. Looks like we are (belatedly) in good shape, even netware appears to be
> out there now.
>

all the files are now sourced from svn:
<https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>

fuankg at apache

Oct 3, 2009, 6:10 PM

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Hi Graham,
Graham Leggett schrieb:
> I would feel a lot better if this process was documented somewhere, so I
> didn't have to sit and guess what stupid thing I had missed, and not
> knowing what I'd missed, not be in a position to fix it.
dont worry - many of us have fallen into such traps ...
/me too years ago when I posted my first mod_jk binary release - nobody
told me about 664, and only when we did next release and someone else of
the project wanted to remove the old bins they told that I missed this
piece; though the bins sync'd fine, so that was certainly not the issue;
also recently when I released the first NetWare binary here I found that
Brad had the binaries 644 (and they were sync'd fine), and I was going
to ask him to change perms, but then I thought 'lets try a rm -f', and
suprisingly I could remove them!
So I dont think its really needed to document this, at least it wasnt in
the past until this .14 release that the permission would have any
effect - and as I posted to Bill in other post I *had* the NetWare bins
664 from first minute when I moved them to dist, and they showed not up
until few hours ago - certainly someone else from infra pushed the right
button and fixed sync ...
and btw. as I posted on mebers my cron job at p.a.o also stopped working
some weeks ago, and magically started working again two days ago (after
I posted); maybe mine was not the only cron job which stopped :)

> Or alternatively, a quick message to say "we're up to our eyeballs in
> ddos, please hold we'll back get to you".
that's also something which I dont find polite - if we have an issue,
and post to infra then I think we should go quickly a reply back - I
cant believe that they are too busy to just press the reply button and
write few words like:
message received - we will work on it asap, and report back when it works.
I believe the time for such a one-sentence-reply must be available, and
even an auto-responder would be better than just nothing, giving one the
feeling of getting ignored.

Gün.

fuankg at apache

Oct 3, 2009, 6:14 PM

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Hi Paul,
Paul Querna schrieb:
> all the files are now sourced from svn:
> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>
woah, so that means all files are now to be commited to SVN?
And that's not an issue on the long term with storage place? I think
even if we delete the old archives when we release new ones, they keep
for ever in SVN, or?

Gün.

fuankg at apache

Oct 3, 2009, 6:25 PM

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Paul,
Paul Querna schrieb:
> all the files are now sourced from svn:
> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>
another question:
with one of last releases I suggested that we should introduce SSI for
all the html pages where the release numbers appear; few days ago I
tested with one file (see r818706, r818772) but SSI was not enabled; do
you think we can enable it? And if so how? should we rename those files
to .shtml, or should we enable the SSI filter for .html, or works the
X-bit hack?
I think if we would fix / enable it just now that would greatly simplify
this and future releases ...

Gün.

paul at querna

Oct 3, 2009, 6:32 PM

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Guenter Knauf <fuankg [at] apache> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Paul Querna schrieb:
>> all the files are now sourced from svn:
>> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>
> woah, so that means all files are now to be commited to SVN?
> And that's not an issue on the long term with storage place? I think
> even if we delete the old archives when we release new ones, they keep
> for ever in SVN, or?

The history of them will be stored forever in SVN.

This is one of the reason it is in a separate repository, from the
main code repository.

wrowe at rowe-clan

Oct 3, 2009, 7:36 PM

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Paul Querna wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Guenter Knauf <fuankg [at] apache> wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> Paul Querna schrieb:
>>> all the files are now sourced from svn:
>>> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>
>> woah, so that means all files are now to be commited to SVN?
>> And that's not an issue on the long term with storage place? I think
>> even if we delete the old archives when we release new ones, they keep
>> for ever in SVN, or?
>
> The history of them will be stored forever in SVN.
>
> This is one of the reason it is in a separate repository, from the
> main code repository.

And archive.a.o/ will also be served from here, so that we have one copy of the file?
[Short-lived in www.a.o, svn cp'ed to archive.a.o for perpetuity?]

fielding at gbiv

Oct 3, 2009, 11:50 PM

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On Oct 3, 2009, at 7:36 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

> Paul Querna wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Guenter Knauf <fuankg [at] apache>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> Paul Querna schrieb:
>>>> all the files are now sourced from svn:
>>>> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>
>>> woah, so that means all files are now to be commited to SVN?
>>> And that's not an issue on the long term with storage place? I think
>>> even if we delete the old archives when we release new ones, they
>>> keep
>>> for ever in SVN, or?
>>
>> The history of them will be stored forever in SVN.
>>
>> This is one of the reason it is in a separate repository, from the
>> main code repository.
>
> And archive.a.o/ will also be served from here, so that we have one
> copy of the file?
> [Short-lived in www.a.o, svn cp'ed to archive.a.o for perpetuity?]

No! Please don't mess with the archive. It must contain what
people have downloaded in the past, not something manufactured
by subversion, and it would be foolish to put all the eggs in
one basket.

....Roy

paul at querna

Oct 4, 2009, 12:13 AM

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Roy T. Fielding <fielding [at] gbiv> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 7:36 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Paul Querna wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Guenter Knauf <fuankg [at] apache> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>> Paul Querna schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>> all the files are now sourced from svn:
>>>>> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/httpd/>
>>>>
>>>> woah, so that means all files are now to be commited to SVN?
>>>> And that's not an issue on the long term with storage place? I think
>>>> even if we delete the old archives when we release new ones, they keep
>>>> for ever in SVN, or?
>>>
>>> The history of them will be stored forever in SVN.
>>>
>>> This is one of the reason it is in a separate repository, from the
>>> main code repository.
>>
>> And archive.a.o/ will also be served from here, so that we have one copy
>> of the file?
>> [Short-lived in www.a.o, svn cp'ed to archive.a.o for perpetuity?]
>
> No! Please don't mess with the archive. It must contain what
> people have downloaded in the past, not something manufactured
> by subversion, and it would be foolish to put all the eggs in
> one basket.

correct, archive.apache.org is not changing at all.

eggs in lots of baskets.

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