Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 26 Nov 2009 06:42:46 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg Thanks Jeremy. I was able to script it all together like you suggested, and get pretty meaningful results using a pivot table in excel. David Paul, T 24 Nov 2009 16:20:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21533 Analog can't do it without running multiple times because of the points mentioned in that FAQ entry. When I've needed to do this in the past I've use 23 Nov 2009 11:42:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21532 I wasn't aware that Referrer required that prefix. I don't believe there are any other variables to use. You can always run analog twice to produce th 23 Nov 2009 11:33:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21531 Is there a way to write/create custom reports for Analog, in order to process data? For example, if I wanted a report that grouped by user, and for e 23 Nov 2009 08:18:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21530 One more question. I have used the %v, as well as the %u, and I need one more "custom" variable that I can re-name. I have tried many others, but it 20 Nov 2009 16:09:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21529 Jeremy, Thank you. It worked great. David Paul, Test Engineer Vertex Business Services 1001 SW Disk Drive, Ste 100, Bend, Oregon, 97702 T: +1 541 3 19 Nov 2009 17:02:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21528 You can do one of two things, depending on what you want. To see a report of all traffic for the account 'A-35815', just use that in your log format 19 Nov 2009 16:29:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21527 Is there a way to setup the LOGFORMAT, such that it can accept an "unrecognized type", such as an account number. Currently, I have the following log 19 Nov 2009 16:10:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21526 I figured it I was going to have to 'post-process' the reports. But I was just hoping that there was some command that I missed in the documentation. 17 Nov 2009 09:47:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21525 Use the REFINCLUDE command. Something like this: REFFINCLUDE http://google.com/* See http://analog.cx/docs/include.html for details. -- Jeremy Wads 17 Nov 2009 08:52:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21524 Troy S wrote: > I need to included a summary attributed to all html table tags? > Is there a template that I can modify so that the summary attribute 17 Nov 2009 08:44:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21522 I have referrer info in the logfile and I want to only report subset for pages that got hit as a result of a Google referral. That will give me a lis 17 Nov 2009 08:41:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21523 Troy S <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote: > Analog has the ability to create reports in seven possible output > styles. XHTML, HTML, PLAIN, ASCII, XML, LAT 17 Nov 2009 07:45:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21521 Analog has the ability to create reports in seven possible output styles. XHTML, HTML, PLAIN, ASCII, XML, LATEX, and COMPUTER. http://www.analog.cx/ 17 Nov 2009 07:16:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21520 Hi , I guess he made reports using rmagic On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Aengus <Analog07@eircom.net> wrote: > Troy S <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote 17 Nov 2009 07:08:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21518 For example: Analog will create a table like this: <table> <thead><tr><th class="x">month</th><th class="P">pages</th><th class="bar"> </th></tr 17 Nov 2009 07:04:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21519 Troy S <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote: > I need to included a summary attributed to all html table tags? ?? Can you expand on that? I have absolutely no 17 Nov 2009 07:01:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21517 Hi Troy, With summary Attribute you mean combined report for a particular client.Let me get more clearification on it.Yes i do have a perl script to 17 Nov 2009 06:49:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21516 I need to included a summary attributed to all html table tags? Is there a template that I can modify so that the summary attribute is set automatical 17 Nov 2009 06:39:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21515 hi Guys any one require helps in setting up of analog and report magic than let me know.I am here to help you out -- regards, Mastinder singh 09974 14 Nov 2009 20:26:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21514 Jeremy Wadsack <jeremy.wadsack@...> writes: > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Aengus <Analog07@eircom.net> wrote: > > FILEALIAS /search?*clie 11 Nov 2009 07:52:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21513 On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Aengus <Analog07@eircom.net> wrote: > > FILEALIAS /search?*client=*&*&site=*&* /$4?client=$2 > Also, note that depe 10 Nov 2009 15:26:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21512 Terry Chambers <terry.chambers@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Aengus - using the INTSEARCHENGINE and INTSEARCHQUERY options, the > report came through corr 10 Nov 2009 14:40:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21511 Aengus <Analog07@...> writes: > As far as I can tell, INTSEARCHENGINE will only take the first entry in the .cfg file, if you specify the same > Engi 10 Nov 2009 13:40:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21510 Jeremy Wadsack <jeremy.wadsack@gmail.com> wrote: >> Sorry, you're right, the ARGSINCLUDE just says which page to break >> out into arguments. You can' 10 Nov 2009 12:58:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21509 Sorry, you're right, the ARGSINCLUDE just says which page to break out into arguments. You can't select arguments from the list. The Search Engine re 10 Nov 2009 12:28:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21508 Jeremy Wadsack <jeremy.wadsack@...> writes: > > The Internal Search Word Report will give you a break down by phrases for one >or more base urls. S 10 Nov 2009 10:44:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21507 The Internal Search Word Report will give you a break down by phrases for one or more base urls. See http://analog.cx/docs/args.html#SEARCHENGINE for 10 Nov 2009 08:19:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21506 Hi I've got log files from a Google Search appliance. The data is located in the "request" value. 192.0.0.0 - - [05/Nov/2009:14:50:49 -0500] "GET / 10 Nov 2009 06:46:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21505 Troy Simpson <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote: > FILEINCLUDE /*?*035E592F-FA2A-267B-5AF64F16D156031F > REQINCLUDE /* # This line was important. But I a 04 Nov 2009 14:49:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21504 Troy Simpson <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the help so far. > Where can I find Analog's order of process. > I'm trying to understand t 04 Nov 2009 14:26:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21503 Possible Solution: I don't understand why yet, but this appears to get me closer to what I want. ALL OFF ALLCHART OFF REQUEST ON # Enable the Reque 04 Nov 2009 14:02:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21502 Thanks for all the help so far. Where can I find Analog's order of process. I'm trying to understand this in order to process URL parameters/querystri 04 Nov 2009 10:43:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21501 Sorry if this is not 100% analog centric. But I guess anyone in this list is familar with the issue: I recently resurrected a site which did not do a 04 Nov 2009 07:43:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21500 On 11/3/2009 7:38 PM, Troy Simpson wrote: > The logs are from an IIS Windows server, but I'm running Analog on a > RedHat Linux Server. I had the dir 03 Nov 2009 20:35:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21499 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&q=site%3Alists.meer.net+analog-help&btnG=Search Aengus +---------------------------------------------------- 03 Nov 2009 20:32:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21498 On 11/3/2009 7:46 PM, Troy Simpson wrote: > Does analog have a step through process so that I can see what lines > match to what directive? > Similar 03 Nov 2009 20:31:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21497 Hello, I am getting a failed to open when the file exists and is very large about 7GB. Rinaldo 03 Nov 2009 17:47:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21496 Thanks, -- Troy Simpson +------------------------------------------------------------------------ | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: | http://lists 03 Nov 2009 17:32:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21495 Does analog have a step through process so that I can see what lines match to what directive? Similar to stepping through a program line by line and w 03 Nov 2009 16:46:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21494 The logs are from an IIS Windows server, but I'm running Analog on a RedHat Linux Server. I had the directive case set to insensitive. That was count 03 Nov 2009 16:38:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21493 Troy Simpson <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the response. Please believe me, I have read the manual > several time over. The practical ex 03 Nov 2009 16:16:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21492 Thanks for the response. Please believe me, I have read the manual several time over. The practical experience is what is killing me. So, let me se 03 Nov 2009 15:35:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21491 Troy Simpson <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote: > I am using a content management system (called farcry) to manage and > display web pages to the public. T 03 Nov 2009 14:21:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21490 Troy Simpson wrote: > I am using a content management system (called farcry) to manage and > display web pages to the public. The URL includes an obj 03 Nov 2009 14:12:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21489 I am using a content management system (called farcry) to manage and display web pages to the public. The URL includes an objectID parameter for each 03 Nov 2009 13:59:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21488 Iain Hunneybell <iain@ipmarketing.co.uk> wrote: >> Well I've cure one issue but found another... >> >> By placing my LOGFORMAT ahead of the LOGFILE d 02 Nov 2009 09:56:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21487 LOGFORMAT (or APACHELOGFORMAT) must precede LOGFILE. It defines the log file format used for subsequest LOGFILE commands. See http://analog.cx/docs/lo 02 Nov 2009 08:56:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21486 Don't use LOGFORMAT, rather APACHELOGFORMAT APACHELOGFORMAT (%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %s %b %{Host}i \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-agent}i\" "%j") works just 02 Nov 2009 08:23:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21485 Well I've cure one issue but found another... By placing my LOGFORMAT ahead of the LOGFILE directive I've produced a report, but the issues I have ar 02 Nov 2009 07:53:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21484 Has anyone any experience of processing 1and1 logfiles through analog? They seem to use an unusual format that analog doesn't recognise. The record la 02 Nov 2009 07:16:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21483 It might be silly but can you check the permissions of the file & the user Cheers, Anil Reddy M P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really 27 Oct 2009 23:59:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21482 Depending on whether you built Analog as a 32-bit or 64-bit binary and depending on how your OS handles large files, there may be a 4GB file limit. Bu 27 Oct 2009 09:12:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21481 Hello, I just started to use analog. I was making good progress with a small extract of my large log file and I ran into the following issue. 27 Oct 2009 05:11:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21480 Linda Burnside <linda@phoenixpromotions.com> wrote: >> I have a coldfusion website. Is it possible to create a report >> which will show me details o 16 Oct 2009 13:45:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21479 I have a coldfusion website. Is it possible to create a report which will show me details on the get/request information submit? For example, I want 16 Oct 2009 09:28:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21478 Hi All, I have run analog6.0 in Solaris 5.8 it doesn't generate report but throws a dump. Output from analog ./analog: analog version 6.0/Unix . 16 Oct 2009 01:43:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21477 Troy Simpson <tdsimpson@gmail.com> wrote: > I need to change the example a little bit. Here is the example: > > I have a website called www.mydivisi 06 Oct 2009 10:10:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21476 The first will match any hosts that end in that pattern. The latter will match any hosts that contain that pattern. So example.mydomain.com matches b 06 Oct 2009 09:57:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21475 What is the difference between the following two commands? HOSTINCLUDE *.mydomain.com vs HOSTINCLUDE *.mydomain.com* What does the extra * at the 06 Oct 2009 09:42:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21474 I need to change the example a little bit. Here is the example: I have a website called www.mydivision.abc.com. I want to know if the request are co 06 Oct 2009 08:15:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21473 On 10/6/2009 10:20 AM, Troy Simpson wrote: > I need to create a report that breaks up the request into 3 domain areas? > > 1. abc.com > 2. xyz.com > 06 Oct 2009 07:31:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21472 I need to create a report that breaks up the request into 3 domain areas? 1. abc.com 2. xyz.com 3. all other domains? Can this be done with just one 06 Oct 2009 07:20:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21471 This mailing list is for the Analog web log file analyzer product. It doesn't pertain to analog devices at all. You probably are best off looking for 05 Oct 2009 09:06:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21470 On 10/4/2009 7:34 PM, Scott Haneda wrote: > I am only familiar with Summary, and as I said, wanted to get away from > it. Not because it is doing a 04 Oct 2009 20:52:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21469 Thanks! I think I need t just jump in and see how it works. Your pointing me to the form base demand method is good. That may come in handy as t 04 Oct 2009 16:34:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21468 Can any one telkl me any thing about a police scanner? when  every thing went to digital ,within 2 weeks my scanner stoped talking,  just squelch, It 04 Oct 2009 16:15:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21467 On 10/4/2009 4:47 PM, Scott Haneda wrote: >>> Every Apache server we have logs all hits to one log, which is rolled >>> nightly. Summary used built i 04 Oct 2009 15:15:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21466 >> Every Apache server we have logs all hits to one log, which is rolled >> nightly. Summary used built in ftp to pull down only the new log >> files 04 Oct 2009 13:47:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21465 Scott Haneda <talklists@newgeo.com> wrote: > Hello, I am looking at Analog. I am a current summary.net user. The > pay for an update to get features 02 Oct 2009 14:28:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21464 Hello, I am looking at Analog. I am a current summary.net user. The pay for an update to get features I am not going to need, but mostly need ne 02 Oct 2009 14:05:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21463 OK. I did not know that. I am a novice at Analog. Thanks, Aengus. d -----Original Message----- From: analog-help-bounces@lists.meer.net [mailto:ana 02 Oct 2009 13:26:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21462 Zourarakis, Demetrio (COT) <Demetrio.Zourarakis@ky.gov> wrote: > Thanks. Aengus. > It would have created 1012 reports... > I concatenated the logfiles 02 Oct 2009 13:20:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21461 Thanks. Aengus. It would have created 1012 reports... I concatenated the logfiles using MS DOS command line into one BIG logfile... Thanks. Demetrio 02 Oct 2009 13:08:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21460 Zourarakis, Demetrio (COT) <Demetrio.Zourarakis@ky.gov> wrote: > Hi, > > I am doing "after the fact" reporting and have a bunch of daily log > files 02 Oct 2009 12:58:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21459 Hi, I am doing "after the fact" reporting and have a bunch of daily log files dating back 4 years... Is there a way to batch the analog execution se 01 Oct 2009 17:57:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21458 I found the fix for this problem. The fix is: Add OUTPUT HTML to your analog.cfg file, so that anlgform.pl doesn't produce XHTML output. The proble 21 Sep 2009 10:19:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21457 Hi, Analog version is: analog-6.0.3 OS verison: Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4 (Nahant Update 8) Kernel 2.6.9-89 21 Sep 2009 09:29:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21456 Hi Aengus, Very much appreciated for your support inputs.I have resolved the issue. Regards -A On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Aengus <analog07@eirco 09 Sep 2009 09:21:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21455 On 9/9/2009 7:54 AM, Arnab Ganguly wrote: > Hi All, > In the analog report, we do get one field as "Corrupt logfile lines". > What exactly is this ? 09 Sep 2009 06:25:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21454 Hi All, In the analog report, we do get one field as "Corrupt logfile lines". What exactly is this ? If you browse through the access log we don't se 09 Sep 2009 04:54:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21453 Hi, I want to add a report to analog which will itemize the log dates+locations(dns)+pages visited. Is this possible, and how would it be achieved ? 28 Aug 2009 10:14:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21452 Hello, I wanted to analyse logfiles. I'm using Analog 6.0 with Windows XP and IIS 6.0. The Problem is, that my report shows no charts, only this: Su 19 Aug 2009 04:33:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21451 Christoph Kukulies <kuku@kukulies.org> wrote: > Aengus schrieb: >> On 8/12/2009 10:47 AM, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> >> Can you post 3 or 4 lines f 12 Aug 2009 13:08:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21450 Aengus schrieb: > On 8/12/2009 10:47 AM, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > >> I introduced this setting (REQFLOOR 1r) now in my config file, I also >> incl 12 Aug 2009 11:32:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21449 Christoph Kukulies <kuku@...> writes: > I introduced this setting (REQFLOOR 1r) now in my config file, I also > included > FILEINCLUDE *.pdf > > St 12 Aug 2009 09:00:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21448 On 8/12/2009 10:47 AM, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I introduced this setting (REQFLOOR 1r) now in my config file, I also > included > FILEINCLUDE *. 12 Aug 2009 08:28:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21447 Jeremy Wadsack schrieb: > ... > However, I'm not sure that answers your original question. Analog's > reports will show the top number of results ba 12 Aug 2009 07:47:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21446 Paul Simpkin wrote: > Could anyone help me to use Analog with my shoutcast servers? http://lists.meer.net/pipermail/analog-help/2001-August/009722.htm 29 Jul 2009 07:57:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21445 Hi, Could anyone help me to use Analog with my shoutcast servers? Thanks Paul Simpkin +-------------------------------------------------------- 29 Jul 2009 07:45:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21444 Hi Jeremy, Thanks for your reply. :) Looking below at what is appearing in the logs should I add this line to analog.cfg; REXEXCLUDE *ohid* I hav 28 Jul 2009 10:13:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21443 You can remove a request from all reports (including referrer reports with FILEEXCLUDE. To just hide it in the referrer reports use REFEXCLUDE. See h 27 Jul 2009 18:22:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21442 Hi there, Starting on the 25th July we've had several lines appearing in the server access logs and I've been looking through analog help to see how 27 Jul 2009 07:08:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21441 Your exclude statements need to match the request. If index.htm is in your root you'll want at least this: FILEEXCLUDE /index.htm However, if there 24 Jul 2009 10:04:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21440 Our marketing people are interested in how often certain .PDF documents accessed (downloaded) but depending on the hit statistics these do not appear 24 Jul 2009 09:52:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21439 Klaus Johannes Rusch schrieb: > Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> I couldn't get from the link you gave me, though, in the first place, >> how this would 23 Jul 2009 06:47:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21438 Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I couldn't get from the link you gave me, though, in the first place, > how this would lead me to a > means to preprocess 23 Jul 2009 05:53:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21437 Klaus Johannes Rusch schrieb: > Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> I would like to confine the statitics to only consider page visits >> within a certain d 23 Jul 2009 02:48:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21436 Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I would like to confine the statitics to only consider page visits > within a certain daily time window, e.g. 7 am to 7 p 23 Jul 2009 02:10:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21435 I would like to confine the statitics to only consider page visits within a certain daily time window, e.g. 7 am to 7 pm. Is this possible with a FR 23 Jul 2009 01:20:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/analog/help/21434